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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge] 1
#22161880 - 08/29/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: >everyone is black if you go back far enough.
You don't know that. We know there were various not just races but sub groups of humans at one time. There were Neanderthal, cro magnum and perhaps others. The smarter groups landed in Europe and asia while another group was in Africa. The African group developed musculature, speed and strength as survival skills. The European group developed smarts and became homo sapiens. Later there was a lot of intermingling but since Africa was isolated by oceans, they did not get the same benefit of intermingling.
I suppose that's considered blasphemy to the ultra leftists but its just science.
No its not science, all of the subgroups died out. All modern humans are Homo Sapiens, and H. Sapien originated in Africa, its been settled by this point.
http://www.cell.com/ajhg/abstract/S0002-9297(07)63131-0
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v423/n6941/full/423692a.html
http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/johanson.html
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
#22161929 - 08/29/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: >everyone is black if you go back far enough.
You don't know that. We know there were various not just races but sub groups of humans at one time. There were Neanderthal, cro magnum and perhaps others. The smarter groups landed in Europe and asia while another group was in Africa. The African group developed musculature, speed and strength as survival skills. The European group developed smarts and became homo sapiens. Later there was a lot of intermingling but since Africa was isolated by oceans, they did not get the same benefit of intermingling.
I suppose that's considered blasphemy to the ultra leftists but its just science.
Wow, Stoney. That's all just false. Do you have evidence of that?
Neanderthals were actually a different species of human, though they were closely related and interbred to some extent. They had larger skulls than humans, and were quite possibly more intelligent. Homo-Sapiens all have Neanderthal genetics in their genome today, but to my knowledge there is no variance in the proportion of Neanderthal genetics between one human and another. There was another species of humanoid that was tiny like gnomes also, but I don't remember the name. Humans killed all of the other species off, I believe.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22162039 - 08/29/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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>Neanderthals were actually a different species of human, though they were closely related and interbred to some extent
Obviously you know more than psyc. All the other species did not die out and did in fact interbreed.
>but to my knowledge there is no variance in the proportion of Neanderthal genetics between one human and another
If different groups are on different continents, how in hell are they going to interbreed to the point there are no differences? Obviously there are differences. But people have their minds made up and can't be reasoned with.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Achillita]
#22162119 - 08/29/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Achillita said: The majority of mexicans are mixed between native people and white people. But most latinos are white, because spain is white. Latino is an ethnicity anyways, not a race. Most mexicans identify as white, because a lot don't know or identify with their native ancestry.
Will any of you prove the bigotry of obama? I really haven't seen much of him being a bigot. Never really searched it out too deep either. I'm pretty iffy on whether or not i like obama.He has helped a lot of native american communities, a group who is almost always forgotten.
"most latinos are white"
No.
"Spain is white"
No.
"Most Mexicans identify as white"
No.
"any of your prove the bigotry of Obama?"
If you haven't observed it the past 7 years, you're blind.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22162141 - 08/29/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: >everyone is black if you go back far enough.
You don't know that. We know there were various not just races but sub groups of humans at one time. There were Neanderthal, cro magnum and perhaps others. The smarter groups landed in Europe and asia while another group was in Africa. The African group developed musculature, speed and strength as survival skills. The European group developed smarts and became homo sapiens. Later there was a lot of intermingling but since Africa was isolated by oceans, they did not get the same benefit of intermingling.
I suppose that's considered blasphemy to the ultra leftists but its just science.
Wow, Stoney. That's all just false. Do you have evidence of that?
Neanderthals were actually a different species of human, though they were closely related and interbred to some extent. They had larger skulls than humans, and were quite possibly more intelligent. Homo-Sapiens all have Neanderthal genetics in their genome today, but to my knowledge there is no variance in the proportion of Neanderthal genetics between one human and another. There was another species of humanoid that was tiny like gnomes also, but I don't remember the name. Humans killed all of the other species off, I believe.
"Homo-Sapiens all have Neanderthal genetics in their genome today"
Not true- http://news.discovery.com/human/genetics-neanderthal-110718.htm
"All non-Africans part Neanderthal, genetics confirm"
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
#22162146 - 08/29/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: >Neanderthals were actually a different species of human, though they were closely related and interbred to some extent
Obviously you know more than psyc. All the other species did not die out and did in fact interbreed.
>but to my knowledge there is no variance in the proportion of Neanderthal genetics between one human and another
If different groups are on different continents, how in hell are they going to interbreed to the point there are no differences? Obviously there are differences. But people have their minds made up and can't be reasoned with.
We interbred with Neanderthals when the human population still existed in one general part of the world (Africa). I believe the scientific consensus is that Humans killed off Neanderthals, but I'm not going to look it up right now.
A couple years ago I got really interested in the evolution of the various human races, and I read about all this shit. Obviously race is a cultural creation, and so there isn't a lot of information on the subject from a scientific standpoint. There are bits and pieces here and there, like the fact that Inuits developed dark skin because the snow reflected sun rays and their skin evolved more pigmentation to protect them.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: psyconaught]
#22162199 - 08/29/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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psyconaught said:
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Stonehenge said: >everyone is black if you go back far enough.
You don't know that. We know there were various not just races but sub groups of humans at one time. There were Neanderthal, cro magnum and perhaps others. The smarter groups landed in Europe and asia while another group was in Africa. The African group developed musculature, speed and strength as survival skills. The European group developed smarts and became homo sapiens. Later there was a lot of intermingling but since Africa was isolated by oceans, they did not get the same benefit of intermingling.
I suppose that's considered blasphemy to the ultra leftists but its just science.
No its not science, all of the subgroups died out. All modern humans are Homo Sapiens, and H. Sapien originated in Africa, its been settled by this point.
http://www.cell.com/ajhg/abstract/S0002-9297(07)63131-0
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v423/n6941/full/423692a.html
http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/johanson.html

There is a lot of debate about early human history, but one thing that there is consensus on (or very near consensus) is that humans originated in East Africa.
To claim that the scientific evidence points to Homo sapiens sapiens originating in Europe is clearly false.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: BoldAsLove]
#22162326 - 08/29/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Whenever scientists are in agreement, they are usually wrong and there is disagreement about a lot of that. Notice they do not say east Africa, they say unkown.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/esp_ciencia_life32.htm
The fact is, the Cro-Magnon man was, compared to the other “anatomically modern humans” around him, practically a superman. They were skilled hunters, toolmakers and artists famous for the cave art at places such as Lascaux, Chauvet, and Altamira. They had a high cranium, a broad and upright face, and cranial capacity “about the same as modern humans” (can we say larger?), but less than that of Neanderthals. The males were as tall as 6 feet.
They appeared in Europe in the upper Pleistocene, about 40,000 years ago and “their geographic origin is still unknown”.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge] 1
#22162667 - 08/29/15 10:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Whenever scientists are in agreement, they are usually wrong and there is disagreement about a lot of that.
So if there is disagreement, then they're right? Only one of them is right, or all of them are?
Scientists are in agreement about gravity, electricity, radio waves, photons, the fact that the earth is round, when we fuck we make babies, the fact that the sun fuses helium and hydrogen molecules, they fact that the moon is (unfortunately) not made of cheese, etc.
You just have a lot of people telling you that scientists are wrong about shit (like climate change and GMO's) to further their agendas, and you believe them.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22162675 - 08/29/15 10:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Time to go see vanna, woof. Because you haven't a clue. I'm not going to sift through that pile of half truths and falsehoods when I know you are just trolling.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
#22162680 - 08/29/15 10:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Whenever scientists are in agreement, they are usually wrong and there is disagreement about a lot of that.
Are you seriously basing your argument on the claim that scientists in agreement are usually wrong? Using that logic, gravity points up.
I'll just leave this here:
"Currently available genetic and archaeological evidence is generally interpreted as supportive of a recent single origin of modern humans in East Africa." (source)
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
#22162851 - 08/29/15 10:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just accept it. I know it's hard man... But deep down inside of you, there's a black man! You got melaninosis bro! That's it! And it's not even a fuckin word, but that's all you need to know!
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22163617 - 08/30/15 07:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Virtually everything we think we know today we will discover later was wrong in some way. It may be in a minor way or something major but there is no chance in hell we've got it all right. We laugh at things people believed 100 years ago and they laughed at what people believed before them and so on.
As I've shown, humans appear to have arisen in Europe as well as in Africa. They no doubt interbred with other humans. This is a large part of the reason Europeans, those who haven't mixed with other races, have a different genetic background. If you can't see the differences, you must be blind or an ultra liberal.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
#22163645 - 08/30/15 07:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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...just a question for those who dislike obama:
Do you remember what life was like during the W. Bush years?
Do you see how much things have improved? Specifically with the economy...
I'm not an Obama supporter, and I dislike most politicians regardless, but I also was able too see the wreck the W. Bush left for Obama to clean up, and the fact that we came out of that recession was a miracle...all presidents do fucked up things, but honestly, all I've seen happen while Obama was in office was the economy improved and Americans obtained health insurance...so what if I dislike the guy, life is a billion times better under Obama than it was under W. Bush...
Sam Brownback employed all these ultra-conservative policies espoused by the republican party in Kansas, and it fucked that state over horribly, they could not pave their roads, schools had to close early, their poor lost assistance, and Kansas had to borrow money from neighboring states...if these policies are employed on a national scale it will turn America into a third world country...
I may not be an Obama fan, but I prefer Obama to W. Bush any day...I really don't give a fuck about most the bullshit involved in politics, and I generally judge a president by the quality of life while living under them, so all and all life under Obama's reign has been pretty good...so what's the issue with the guy?
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
#22163657 - 08/30/15 07:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Virtually everything we think we know today we will discover later was wrong in some way. It may be in a minor way or something major but there is no chance in hell we've got it all right. We laugh at things people believed 100 years ago and they laughed at what people believed before them and so on.
As I've shown, humans appear to have arisen in Europe as well as in Africa. They no doubt interbred with other humans. This is a large part of the reason Europeans, those who haven't mixed with other races, have a different genetic background. If you can't see the differences, you must be blind or an ultra liberal.
Here's another fun fact: Neanderthals were not a proto-human, they were an independent genetic line. Asians and Africans do not have any neanderthal DNA, while most Europeans have a percentage of it, Europeans from northern Italy and the neander valley area of Germany have the highest concentrations...It's speculated modern man killed all the Neanderthals, while this may be true, modern man also interbread with them...
It's a funny genetic fact that Europeans have a percentage of Neanderthal genetics in their DNA...
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said: ...just a question for those who dislike obama:
Do you remember what life was like during the W. Bush years?
Do you see how much things have improved? Specifically with the economy...
I'm not an Obama supporter, and I dislike most politicians regardless, but I also was able too see the wreck the W. Bush left for Obama to clean up, and the fact that we came out of that recession was a miracle...all presidents do fucked up things, but honestly, all I've seen happen while Obama was in office was the economy improved and Americans obtained health insurance...so what if I dislike the guy, life is a billion times better under Obama than it was under W. Bush...
"all I've seen happen while Obama was in office was the economy improved"
It's improved for the very wealthy, today we have the largest income and wealth inequality in 80 years.
The jobs that have been created are all low paying and many are just part time jobs, college graduates are loaded with debt with little hope, we have more people on food stamps, and labor participation is at a 40 year low.
"Americans obtained health insurance"
More people now have a $5000 detectable with a 60/40 hospital payment, it's health coverage in name only, the ACA is a complete disaster that will be recognized down the road.
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>Do you see how much things have improved? Specifically with the economy...
No I don't. You are trying to tell us the economy is doing much better than under shrub? In what way? The employment figures are an exercise in fudging the facts and bring to mind the saying about the 3 biggest lies. Someone with a part time job is considered employed and those who gave up looking for work because they couldn't find any are not counted.
>I'm not an Obama supporter
Most left wing obumble supporters say that.
>Neanderthals were not a proto-human, they were an independent genetic line
So they were just monkeys? They were humans who arose independently of other lines much like the cro magnon. Just because many scientists put forward a certain theory does not make it correct and the claim that all humans are traced to one origin is very doubtful given the evidence.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
#22163887 - 08/30/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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What evidence? DNA and archaeological evidence suggests we all originated in Africa. Some moved up into Western Europe where environmental pressure selected for lighter skin to allow more Vitamin D to be absorbed in a climate that had less sun.
Neanderthals were closely related enough that many Europeans and West Asians interbred with them. This is a major contributor to their extinction. Much as Native Americans don't really exist anymore in Mexico due to so much breeding with the Spanish. They basically mixed with homo sapiens and those that didn't died off.
Europeans owe a lot to the Neanderthal as breeding with the local population gave them access to the antibodies necessary for survival in their new homes.
White as a race doesn't even exist. It was invented by the protestants so they could have a middle management class to take care of the slaves and help their irish, polish, etc. servants feel better about their lower station.
To borrow from mush cult, a cube is a cube is a cube. Or a human in this case.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22164161 - 08/30/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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More self contradictory baloney.
>we all originated in Africa >Neanderthals were closely related
And you totally ignore cro magnon. Maybe one tributary of the present species originated in Africa. Others seem to have popped up from elsewhere.
What is likely is that the so called missing link or predecessors of humans were widely dispersed. Human like creatures came from these and were different on each major continent. In the final analysis we don't really know.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
#22164330 - 08/30/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Latinos are white
Commies will never carry the general.
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