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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Centerfinger]
#22072269 - 08/10/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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So they demonize the minority white males, blame them for every one of societies ills, ridicule them constantly in the media and make a big hoo doo out of any blacks that are killed by cops no matter how much the black person asked for it. Like travor martin and many others.
I say the cops should throw off restraint and start shooting soon as there is a violent disturbance. Aim of course for the ones doing the violence. I predict that soon as word gets out, riots become a thing of the past.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Centerfinger]
#22072303 - 08/10/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh hey we're back to a few pages ago where someone else was arguing that guns are used 80 times more in some kind of defense then in homicide.
I'm with BBW on this, the idea of a nation with the mental health issues we have walking around with concealed weapons doesn't make me feel like I'm living in a polite society. If anything I feel like we're sitting on a bomb. But anyway, you can read the arguments here...
I would like to address AZ though.
I'll start with a fox news article. My response to this is correlation isn't causation and that I'd really like to see a proper study done by the CDC but it's not happening for reasons.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: paperbackwriter]
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paperbackwriter said: But regardless, white people are not a minority in the U.S.
Except, the claim was white men, who are a minority.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22072446 - 08/10/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: Depends on age group. Women live a bit longer than men but the birth rate for men is a bit higher. Yes, on average women outnumber men by about 3% (yes, 3% is what you're using to justify stoney's use of the word minority). Even then, that's not until 65 and older. Most people retire before then and right up until that point men out number women every step of the way.
So yes, compared to women, men will be the minority, once they hit the nursing home. The rest of the time they're certainly not a minority and they certainly don't have a minority sway over the policies and direction our country and corporations take.
But regardless, white people are not a minority in the U.S.
For context.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22073099 - 08/10/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Got anything to back that up with, pbw? Sounds like more empty rhetoric.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
#22073700 - 08/10/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Umm... sure. It's a CIA website so have fun clicking
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
#22074516 - 08/11/15 12:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Ho hum phone surveys and the like. Lack of driver's license or photo id? Then let the bastards sit on the sidelines, we don't need the bottom of the barrel voting anyway. There are other forms of id too.
The liberal way is to let anyone come up, give any name they choose and vote. Then go to the next precinct and do the same. They bus them in and move them around all day. No voter id is a license for fraud.
link? source? anything credible and backed by facts at ALL?!?
oh that's right, you can't link to any real numbers that substantiate any semblance of widespread voter fraud in presidential elections because...wait for it...it doesn't happen no matter how many times republicans lie about it.
expanding our focus to all federal elections and using the period of 2002-2006, for example, we find that there were 197,000,000 votes cast for federal candidates in that four year period. the wholly unamerican tragedy that is voter fraud--and this fraud being so prevalent according to republicans--was evidenced by 40 (GASP!) people being indicted for voter fraud resulting in only 26 convictions, or just 13 one hundred millionths of one percent of all votes cast. .00000013% is the very definition of statistical insignificance. it's just not the issue that republicans make it out to be, strict voter ID laws or not.
only 11 of 50 states allow any sort of election day registration--the rest require preregistration--and as such Democrats simply cannot "bus them in and move them around all day" allowing people to vote in multiple precincts. that lie has been debunked long ago. beside the fact is that 9 those 11 states have an insignificant number of electoral votes so even though it's important to win every electoral vote a candidate can win, the same day registration and voting fraud phenomenon becomes that much more of a non-issue.
as much as you claim ITT to know what everyone else is thinking and what everyone's motivation is and give contrived examples of how people are sheep, you do an excellent job of being a lying republican mouthpiece. 
how bout we make liars sit on the sidelines? we don't need bottom of the barrel liars voting anyway.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: relic]
#22075195 - 08/11/15 07:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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pbw, that is a bogus set of figures. They don't even acknowledge Hispanic, they put them in with white to inflate the figures.
relic >oh that's right, you can't link to any real numbers that substantiate any semblance of widespread voter fraud in presidential elections because...wait for it...it doesn't happen no matter how many times republicans lie about it.
You want a link to the number of fraudulent votes in each election? Or you want to know how many were caught and convicted? Since no id is required its just about impossible to catch any of them, maybe one now and then. Your belief that political parties would not cheat to win an election borders on bizarre. Remember mayor daley's motto 'vote early and often' which has become the motto of the dems and also gop when they get a chance.
Its very interesting that the far left wants to make it easier to cheat, I would think less cheating would be preferable. Don't you remember the diebold scandal? Ballot box stuffing is an old tradition. Why do you want them to be able to cheat more easily?
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
#22075235 - 08/11/15 08:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms accounted for that in his initial post and I've been accounting for it ever since. The adjusted figure is also available on the website.
62/2 = 31%
Though the actual figure is 79.96 - 15.1 = 64.86/2 = 32.43*0.97 = 31.45%
White women 33.41% White men 31.45%
But again that's only because women live longer. Male birth rates are slightly higher. And you're still justifying the use of the word minority over a 3% difference with white women.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22075283 - 08/11/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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>you're still justifying the use of the word minority over a 3% difference with white women
Wrong, 31% is a minority no matter how you try to spin it.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
#22075317 - 08/11/15 08:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Okay.
Let me rephrase then. The how is to pick a scapegoat. Hitler used the Jews. Trump is using Hispanics. I guess Hillary is the one gunning for white males.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22076183 - 08/11/15 12:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: If the U.S. military (which is comprised of our brothers and sisters fyi) ever did turn on the American people we would be fucked. They have tanks, bombs, aircraft, superior training, superior leadership.
Bearing arms to overthrow a despot government frankly isn't a valid support of the 2nd amendment. It may have been in the 1700s but it's not the case today.
I think it is, that's exactly what the 2nd amendment was written for, and yes, the army has massive amounts of technology, but that doesn't mean victory, we lost Viet nam, and that was largely a civilian army fighting with guns and little else, so.if we have our arms we at least have a fighting chance.
I think it applies more today than ever, you would really want the police and army to defend you in every situation? Part of personal freedom means bearing the responsibilities of fighting to protect your freedom, and you can't put that into the hands of anybody else. The government does not have the right to tell you you can't own guns, all the rights put in the constitution were applicable to all times, not just the 1700s, this is because these are the rights you must have to maintain a free society, these men came from an oppressive society, they saw the things that made them powerless against the king and insured Americans that they would never be subject to such powerlessness to tyranny so long as the rights in the constitution were upheld.
People can argue that it doesn't apply to today, but the constitution was not a time sensitive document, these are the rights every humans deserves and needs to uphold and maintain an equal, free, and just democracy and society, these rights were specifically chosen to prevent fascists and tyrants from walking all over us, nobody is going to give you your freedom, and if you don't defend it with your life it will be taken, imagine a society where guns were illegal and the masses were not armed, I guarantee it would be a totalitarian nightmare....
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
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People always say "that will never happen", but it has happened, that's what happened during world war II, and it seemed all well and good at first, but by the time the people saw the fascists doing horrible things with their government, they had already been disarmed and could not fight back...
-E. Borodin
If I had a dollar for every time I've heard the argument ... "the Nazis did it and it could happen in America" I'd be a gazillionaire. Frankly, the argument is absurd as the chances of what happened in Nazi Germany happening in the USA is about .00000001%.
The US Government is never ever going to get the military ad police to go full on gestapo, disarm the population and essentially support a fascist state. Why? Because military/police personnel are often the strongest pro gun and pro constitution people in the country. They just aren't going to do that. 9 times out of 10, the person suggesting the full Nazi-bloom in America have no frigging idea of the history of Germany or Europe in the 1900's and before. They also fail to think through how the heck the Federal Government would get the States to go along with a Nazi like takeover ... It's ludicrous.
It's tied into this constant paranoid fear state that is perpetuated by an apocalyptic mindset that has been implanted via eons of absurd religious myths. If you think the military would just blindly turn on the American population and follow an Executive Branch that wants to establish martial law, you really don't understand the military.
The notion that reasonable gun control to keep guns out of the hands of mentally sketchy people opens the door to the Nazi-fication of America is utterly and completely absurd.
Say they decide they want to round up anybody suspected of using drugs
or through mass spying on your web history and email and phone records and texts decide to round up anybody they suspect of illegal activity...
This is fascism, and in any culture where the people have put all trust in their government, saying "relax, our government would never oppress us" a dictatorship resulted, Nazi Germany is a good example, but any time your freedoms can be taken they will be, specially if nobody is willing to put up a fight.
It can happen, and if the masses are defenseless it will.
Im not saying that keeping guns from the mentally ill will lead to a totalitarian state, I'm saying when something you were promised as an inalienable right in the constitution is being revised, you need to pay very close attention.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: paperbackwriter]
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paperbackwriter said: The government has no reason to pull out full military force, our police are militarized enough and we're not organized.
If we did organize we're talking about the scenario in the forbes article which qman dismissed.
*edit* And don't get me wrong, I think there's some very valid reasons to own guns. Thinking we're going to protect ourselves from the most powerful military force on the planet just isn't one of them.
There's been several 3rd world forces that have overthrown governments with guns and little else.
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People always say "that will never happen", but it has happened, that's what happened during world war II, and it seemed all well and good at first, but by the time the people saw the fascists doing horrible things with their government, they had already been disarmed and could not fight back...
-E. Borodin
If I had a dollar for every time I've heard the argument ... "the Nazis did it and it could happen in America" I'd be a gazillionaire. Frankly, the argument is absurd as the chances of what happened in Nazi Germany happening in the USA is about .00000001%.
The US Government is never ever going to get the military ad police to go full on gestapo, disarm the population and essentially support a fascist state. Why? Because military/police personnel are often the strongest pro gun and pro constitution people in the country. They just aren't going to do that. 9 times out of 10, the person suggesting the full Nazi-bloom in America have no frigging idea of the history of Germany or Europe in the 1900's and before. They also fail to think through how the heck the Federal Government would get the States to go along with a Nazi like takeover ... It's ludicrous.
It's tied into this constant paranoid fear state that is perpetuated by an apocalyptic mindset that has been implanted via eons of absurd religious myths. If you think the military would just blindly turn on the American population and follow an Executive Branch that wants to establish martial law, you really don't understand the military.
The notion that reasonable gun control to keep guns out of the hands of mentally sketchy people opens the door to the Nazi-fication of America is utterly and completely absurd.
Say they decide they want to round up anybody suspected of using drugs
or through mass spying on your web history and email and phone records and texts decide to round up anybody they suspect of illegal activity...
This is fascism, and in any culture where the people have put all trust in their government, saying "relax, our government would never oppress us" a dictatorship resulted, Nazi Germany is a good example, but any time your freedoms can be taken they will be, specially if nobody is willing to put up a fight.
It can happen, and if the masses are defenseless it will.
Im not saying that keeping guns from the mentally ill will lead to a totalitarian state, I'm saying when something you were promised as an inalienable right in the constitution is being revised, you need to pay very close attention.
-E. Borodin
We have things like courts, due process, defense attorneys, etc. It's not that easy for the government to just "round people up" to borrow your phrase. The US has a lot of social institutions in place that are simply not going to look the other way when the government steps over that line.
Certainly, there are many that will stoke fear by saying it COULD happen, but the likelihood is extremely low unless there is a major event like a meteor strike, a critical food shortage or a really serious pandemic or perhaps a first strike military scenario against us which, of course, could be considered as a false flag. But the kind of political changes that enabled Hitler to take over Germany simply isn't possible in the USA.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22076810 - 08/11/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Every government throughout history has fallen or became corrupt at one point or another. To think that the United States is somehow above that, is idiotic.
Citizens should have access to guns to protect themselves in case the need for a rebellion should ever arise. Even though the military outguns civilians in every sense of the term, a rebellion is a cause worth dying for. And could be won with some tactical ingenuity.
I support light gun control. I think people who can own guns responsibly should be able to do so. People who are severely mentally ill, or who have a recent history of violence should not be able to own guns. Because they may become a danger against society as a whole.
I think a reason why gun control is such a big issue is that we often don't look at the person who is doing these mass shootings, but we only choose to look at the guns. The person is the cause of the action, not the gun.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Achillita]
#22077121 - 08/11/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You need three things for gun violence:
1. A person willing to use the gun to hurt or kill another person 2. A gun 3. Ammunition
Take away any of those three elements and gun violence will drop. With he amount of gun violence in America and the amount of guns out there, it seems to make some sense for us, as a nation, to do a much better job of identifying the people in our population that should not have any easy access to guns or ammunition. I'd include anyone on long term dependency on alcohol, mood pills, powerful pain medications and/or psychological treatment. That takes out about 50% of the population and a huge percentage of the highest risk people.
We're not living in the 1700's anymore where most citizens are farmers with little or no police protection. We're not living in grave danger of an invasion by a country like England as we were back then. We have a HUGE military today which was not the case in the 1700's.
To get a concealed carry permit, I'd like to see everyone be able to successfully pass basic competency testing and not be dependent on long term drugs or substances in order to get through their day.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22077231 - 08/11/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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^we need guns to fend off feds.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: WAN]
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How many "FEDS" have you and your buddies had to "fend" off this year with guns?
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
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People always say "that will never happen", but it has happened, that's what happened during world war II, and it seemed all well and good at first, but by the time the people saw the fascists doing horrible things with their government, they had already been disarmed and could not fight back...
-E. Borodin
If I had a dollar for every time I've heard the argument ... "the Nazis did it and it could happen in America" I'd be a gazillionaire. Frankly, the argument is absurd as the chances of what happened in Nazi Germany happening in the USA is about .00000001%.
The US Government is never ever going to get the military ad police to go full on gestapo, disarm the population and essentially support a fascist state. Why? Because military/police personnel are often the strongest pro gun and pro constitution people in the country. They just aren't going to do that. 9 times out of 10, the person suggesting the full Nazi-bloom in America have no frigging idea of the history of Germany or Europe in the 1900's and before. They also fail to think through how the heck the Federal Government would get the States to go along with a Nazi like takeover ... It's ludicrous.
It's tied into this constant paranoid fear state that is perpetuated by an apocalyptic mindset that has been implanted via eons of absurd religious myths. If you think the military would just blindly turn on the American population and follow an Executive Branch that wants to establish martial law, you really don't understand the military.
The notion that reasonable gun control to keep guns out of the hands of mentally sketchy people opens the door to the Nazi-fication of America is utterly and completely absurd.
Say they decide they want to round up anybody suspected of using drugs
or through mass spying on your web history and email and phone records and texts decide to round up anybody they suspect of illegal activity...
This is fascism, and in any culture where the people have put all trust in their government, saying "relax, our government would never oppress us" a dictatorship resulted, Nazi Germany is a good example, but any time your freedoms can be taken they will be, specially if nobody is willing to put up a fight.
It can happen, and if the masses are defenseless it will.
Im not saying that keeping guns from the mentally ill will lead to a totalitarian state, I'm saying when something you were promised as an inalienable right in the constitution is being revised, you need to pay very close attention.
-E. Borodin
We have things like courts, due process, defense attorneys, etc. It's not that easy for the government to just "round people up" to borrow your phrase. The US has a lot of social institutions in place that are simply not going to look the other way when the government steps over that line.
Certainly, there are many that will stoke fear by saying it COULD happen, but the likelihood is extremely low unless there is a major event like a meteor strike, a critical food shortage or a really serious pandemic or perhaps a first strike military scenario against us which, of course, could be considered as a false flag. But the kind of political changes that enabled Hitler to take over Germany simply isn't possible in the USA.
During world war II the United states rounded up the Japanese and put them in camps, no courts, no due process, not only can it happen, it does happen all the time, not so often in the first world, but it's common.
I'm not going to speculate on how it can happen, but that attitude that it's a near impossibility and something we need not consider is the exact attitude that most have just before their government turns on them...
..I'm not trying to stir up fear, I'm saying just that fact that my freedoms being taken is a possibility means I should have the right to defend them.
The founding fathers intentionally granted us every right we would need to maintain a free and just society, like I said before, they understood what made them powerless n England and ensured that Americans will have protected rights to prevent them from becoming powerless again.
I don't like that the KKK can hold events on the capitol steps, but I'll fight to the death to defend their first amendment right to do it...you may not like the idea that guns are necessary to defend yourself and your freedoms, you may think that we can have a free population that is also disarmed, you may feel the government has the right to tell you that you can't own guns, but the fact is it was put in the constitution with good reason, these men know the tools oppression needs to maintain its power, and with the constitution the were trying to give you some equality here, and insurance that you will have a fighting chance should the time to defend your freedoms come.
...say the day never comes, I still have the right to own arms so I know I can defend myself should I have to.
-E. Borodin
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