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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22062834 - 08/08/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Stonehenge said:
>You defend Obama to no end and it's very obvious, why not just embrace it?

Yes, its extremely obvious and his left wing dem views are obvious. He makes up the most ridiculous things like saying obumble ended the Iraq war.






Left wing dem views?  LMAO!!!

- For a reduction of corporate taxes to a flat 15%
- Elimination of all corporate welfare
- 5% reduction of military spending for 5 straight years then lock in the 25% reduction
- Two tiered income tax + consumption tax on luxury items
- Outlawing of the purchase/import of middle east oil into the US
- A big infrastructure program run by non political business leaders
- Competition based school choice system (voucher) tested and rolled out
- Teethy sunshine laws on all "deals" made during the fund raising and campaigning process with all campaign contributors with jail time for boards of companies that don't comply
- A new non-political elections board to encourage fair 3rd party candidates
- Much less spending at the Federal level and pushing more of it down to the State level
- Separation of corporation and state
- Ending the insane drug war and decriminalizing illegal drugs completely ... tax revenues and treat as a health problem to get the illegal crime element out
- Revoke tax-free status from ALL legal entities including non-profits, churches, unions, charities that participate in influencing elections or policy in any way whatsoever
- Force all elected politicians, once a year, to answer under oath, questions from voters about all deals made with lobbyists, bundlers, corporations and individuals donating more than $1,000.
- Immediate investigation of all the Clinton foundation money laundering activities
- Test new and better ways to insure the poor and take the employer out of the business of being the middleman for health insurance.  Give 100% choice and control of health insurance policy to the employee with total portability for life
- A re-write of the constitution to incorporate direct democracy principles that are used effectively in Switzerland to give the voters much more control of the political process.
- An up and down vote option at the federal level for voters for issues like abortion, death penalty, gay marriage etc. once every 10 years to get these social issues out of the political process.

Oh yeah, I'm a democrat through and through ... LMAO!!!!  You guys crack me up.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22062852 - 08/08/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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KauaiOrca said:
LMAO!!!!  Oh yeah, being a skinny black guy with a toxic preacher and a name that rhymes with Osama Bin Laden is a HUGE ADVANTAGE ... Obama beat Clinton because of a very smart Caucus driven strategy that focused on Red states, Clinton didn't pay much attention to at first.  The Clintons are a FORMIDABLE political force, bud.  You are too funny.

BTW, Clinton got more popular votes in the Primary than Obama did.  That primary victory will go down in history as one of the most unlikely victories of the modern era.




Laugh all you want. Obama had several advantages.

1. Black-ish.
2. Media ass kissers.
3. Union ass kissers.
4. Voters wanting to be on the history making side.
5. Disgust with Hillary.

There's more, but that's enough.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22062860 - 08/08/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think you guys should stick to your fallacious reasoning and keep attacking the man, like Stonehenge. You're clearly incapable of attacking the arguments.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22062871 - 08/08/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

He lost his argument long ago. Your two cents won't change that.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22062876 - 08/08/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
1. Black-ish.
2. Media ass kissers.
3. Union ass kissers.
4. Voters wanting to be on the history making side.
5. Disgust with Hillary.

There's more, but that's enough.




I suppose that's your loosely defined opinion.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22062882 - 08/08/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
I think you guys should stick to your fallacious reasoning and keep attacking the man, like Stonehenge. You're clearly incapable of attacking the arguments.




I just addressed your counter, but it ended up a page back. I demonstrated gun ownership is used to save more lives than it takes at a ratio of 80:1. I demonstrated citizens actually are more accurate than police with weapons at identifying criminals correctly at a 2% error vs an 11% error. I also showed Hitler did support gun control, which essentially contradicts your whole argument...


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22062884 - 08/08/15 02:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
He lost his argument long ago. Your two cents won't change that.




Where did he loose the argument? I haven't even seen legitimate arguments against him. As far as I can see, Stonehenge and a couple others have turned this into a discussion about KO's political affiliation, because they were light on facts ;-)

They've even been proven wrong in their personal attacks.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: DottoreWolfe]
    #22062886 - 08/08/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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DottoreWolfe said:
Quote:

Bigbadwooof said:
I think you guys should stick to your fallacious reasoning and keep attacking the man, like Stonehenge. You're clearly incapable of attacking the arguments.




I just addressed your counter, but it ended up a page back. I demonstrated gun ownership is used to save more lives than it takes at a ratio of 80:1. I demonstrated citizens actually are more accurate than police with weapons at identifying criminals correctly at a 2% error vs an 11% error. I also showed Hitler did support gun control, which essentially contradicts your whole argument...




I asked you for sources for you info. I made a response post to you, apparently you missed it.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22062911 - 08/08/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
Quote:

DottoreWolfe said:
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Bigbadwooof said:
I think you guys should stick to your fallacious reasoning and keep attacking the man, like Stonehenge. You're clearly incapable of attacking the arguments.




I just addressed your counter, but it ended up a page back. I demonstrated gun ownership is used to save more lives than it takes at a ratio of 80:1. I demonstrated citizens actually are more accurate than police with weapons at identifying criminals correctly at a 2% error vs an 11% error. I also showed Hitler did support gun control, which essentially contradicts your whole argument...




I asked you for sources for you info. I made a response post to you, apparently you missed it.



I know...click one page back, last post, I provided all sources


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22062925 - 08/08/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
He lost his argument long ago. Your two cents won't change that.




Where did he loose the argument? I haven't even seen legitimate arguments against him. As far as I can see, Stonehenge and a couple others have turned this into a discussion about KO's political affiliation, because they were light on facts ;-)

They've even been proven wrong in their personal attacks.




He lost the argument in the post where I provided quotes and a link.

You're really not helping him.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22062940 - 08/08/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
He lost his argument long ago. Your two cents won't change that.




Says the idiot who claims GWB ended the Iraq war. 

Have you got a picture of his famous "Mission Accomplished" poster tattooed on your ass?

GWB left our nation TWO UNFINISHED WARS that were never paid for at the end of his term and no agreement in place at all with Maliki/Iraq for continuing immunity for our armed forces.  The war was very much ON the day Obama stepped into the White House. 

Seriously, bud, you are so far over your head in this argument and your claims are so utterly ridiculous.  Talk to Bob Gates about whether or not the Iraq war was in full swing on the day Obama stepped into office.  In fact, he wrote a book about it.  Maybe you should read it to find out the real story.  Woodward wrote a book about it too .... real reporting ... facts ...

Not just the empty anti Obama nonsense you spout off with outlandish claims and no facts to back it up.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22062953 - 08/08/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
Quote:

Bigbadwooof said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
He lost his argument long ago. Your two cents won't change that.




Where did he loose the argument? I haven't even seen legitimate arguments against him. As far as I can see, Stonehenge and a couple others have turned this into a discussion about KO's political affiliation, because they were light on facts ;-)

They've even been proven wrong in their personal attacks.




He lost the argument in the post where I provided quotes and a link.

You're really not helping him.




Your claims that GWB ended the Iraq war before he left office are so utterly and completely ludicrous it's laughable.  There's not a person in Congress or the Military that would agree with you.  Not one.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22062955 - 08/08/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

"Idiot"? A clear sign you lost.

It's all historic record and easily verifiable...

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The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq) was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008.





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SOFA Negotiations

Negotiations between the U.S. and Iraq for a new SOFA began in fall 2010. There were late-night meetings at the fortified compound of then Iraqi president, Jalal Talabani, and in video conferences between Baghdad and Washington. In June 2011, diplomats and Iraqi officials said that President Obama had told Prime Minister Maliki that he was prepared to leave up to 10,000 soldiers to continue training and equipping the Iraqi Security Forces (ISF). Mr. Maliki agreed, but said he needed time to line up political allies. Eventually, he gained authorization to continue talks with the U.S. on keeping troops in Iraq.[69]

In August 2011, after debates between the Pentagon, the State Department and the White House, the U.S. settled on the 3,000 to 5,000 troop number. An American official said intelligence assessments stated that Iraq was not at great risk of slipping into chaos in the absence of American forces, which was a factor in the decision.[70]

In October 2011, American officials pressed Iraqi leadership to meet again at President Talabani’s compound to discuss the issue. This time the U.S. asked Iraq to take a stand on the question of immunity for troops, hoping to remove what had always been the biggest challenge. However, they misread Iraqi politics and the Iraqi public. Having watched the Arab Spring sweep across the region and still haunted by the traumas of this and previous wars, the Iraqis were unwilling to accept anything that infringed on their sovereignty.[71]

Iraqi leadership picked up on that sentiment quickly. As a result, they publicly said they would not support legal immunity for any American troops. Some American officials have privately said that pushing for that meeting — in essence forcing the Iraqis to take a public stand on such a controversial matter before working out the politics of presenting it to their constituents and to Parliament — was a severe tactical mistake that ended any possibility of keeping American troops past December 2011.[72]

After the pull out was announced, White House aides said the U.S. would keep its embassy in Baghdad and two consulates. They also said there will be about 4,000-5,000 defense contractors.[73]





It appears the tool in the Oval office isn't the man you seem to think he is.

Clearly though, with your argument falling apart, you'd rather resort to personalisms.

Good for you.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22062964 - 08/08/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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KauaiOrca said:
Your claims that GWB ended the Iraq war before he left office are so utterly and completely ludicrous it's laughable.  There's not a person in Congress or the Military that would agree with you.  Not one.




There was an agreement in place from theBush admin. The Obama admin attempted to renegotiate and keep troops there.

It's easily verifiable if you let go of the bluster and butthurt over being wrong.,


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: DottoreWolfe]
    #22062968 - 08/08/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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DottoreWolfe said:
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Bigbadwooof said:
I think you guys should stick to your fallacious reasoning and keep attacking the man, like Stonehenge. You're clearly incapable of attacking the arguments.




I just addressed your counter, but it ended up a page back. I demonstrated gun ownership is used to save more lives than it takes at a ratio of 80:1. I demonstrated citizens actually are more accurate than police with weapons at identifying criminals correctly at a 2% error vs an 11% error. I also showed Hitler did support gun control, which essentially contradicts your whole argument...




The 80:1 claim is laughable. Maybe if you're applying that to the entire world it holds water, but in first world nation's that's a joke.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22063002 - 08/08/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
Quote:

DottoreWolfe said:
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Bigbadwooof said:
I think you guys should stick to your fallacious reasoning and keep attacking the man, like Stonehenge. You're clearly incapable of attacking the arguments.




I just addressed your counter, but it ended up a page back. I demonstrated gun ownership is used to save more lives than it takes at a ratio of 80:1. I demonstrated citizens actually are more accurate than police with weapons at identifying criminals correctly at a 2% error vs an 11% error. I also showed Hitler did support gun control, which essentially contradicts your whole argument...




The 80:1 claim is laughable. Maybe if you're applying that to the entire world it holds water, but in first world nation's that's a joke.




Guns used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year -- or about 6,850 times a day. This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives

Source: Gary Kleck and Mark Getz "armed resistance to crime: the prevalence and nature of self defence with a gun" 86 the journal of criminal law and criminology, Northwestern university school of law,1 :164


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22063004 - 08/08/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:


Clearly though, with your argument falling apart, you'd rather resort to personalisms.

Good for you.




Negotiating a SOFA is not ending the war.  Sorry bud.  Two different things.  The war was in full swing when Obama entered the White House, as such, your central argument, that Bush ended the Iraq war, is nonsense.  I have proved I am not an Obama fan, am not a Democrat and I said Obama did two things well:

1. He did not get us into another huge multi trillion dollar ground war that McCain would surely have done
2. He ran a brilliant campaign in 2008 to beat Clinton and McCain as a complete unknown when he started out.

And for those two statements, you call me a democrat and a Obama defender and supporter, which clearly I am not.

Just admit it, you were wrong and Bush did not end the Iraq war.  It's that simple, really.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22063020 - 08/08/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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KauaiOrca said:
And for those two statements, you call me a democrat and a Obama defender and supporter, which clearly I am not.




You are what you are.


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Just admit it, you were wrong and Bush did not end the Iraq war.  It's that simple, really.




Right. Historical, documented records to the contrary.

:lmafo:


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: DottoreWolfe]
    #22063023 - 08/08/15 02:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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DottoreWolfe said:
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The Ecstatic said:
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DottoreWolfe said:
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Bigbadwooof said:
I think you guys should stick to your fallacious reasoning and keep attacking the man, like Stonehenge. You're clearly incapable of attacking the arguments.




I just addressed your counter, but it ended up a page back. I demonstrated gun ownership is used to save more lives than it takes at a ratio of 80:1. I demonstrated citizens actually are more accurate than police with weapons at identifying criminals correctly at a 2% error vs an 11% error. I also showed Hitler did support gun control, which essentially contradicts your whole argument...




The 80:1 claim is laughable. Maybe if you're applying that to the entire world it holds water, but in first world nation's that's a joke.




Guns used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year -- or about 6,850 times a day. This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives

Source: Gary Kleck and Mark Getz "armed resistance to crime: the prevalence and nature of self defence with a gun" 86 the journal of criminal law and criminology, Northwestern university school of law,1 :164




Ignoring that the above paragraph in no way equals guns save 80 more lives than they take, you're also not counting how many Times criminals use guns without shooting, such as robbery, or how many times they shoot guns and don't kill anybody, etc.

Cherrypicking at its finest.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: DottoreWolfe]
    #22063026 - 08/08/15 02:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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DottoreWolfe said:
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The Ecstatic said:
Quote:

DottoreWolfe said:
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Bigbadwooof said:
I think you guys should stick to your fallacious reasoning and keep attacking the man, like Stonehenge. You're clearly incapable of attacking the arguments.




I just addressed your counter, but it ended up a page back. I demonstrated gun ownership is used to save more lives than it takes at a ratio of 80:1. I demonstrated citizens actually are more accurate than police with weapons at identifying criminals correctly at a 2% error vs an 11% error. I also showed Hitler did support gun control, which essentially contradicts your whole argument...




The 80:1 claim is laughable. Maybe if you're applying that to the entire world it holds water, but in first world nation's that's a joke.




Guns used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year -- or about 6,850 times a day. This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives

Source: Gary Kleck and Mark Getz "armed resistance to crime: the prevalence and nature of self defence with a gun" 86 the journal of criminal law and criminology, Northwestern university school of law,1 :164




Do you see how I regularly post links to sources? That's what people mean when they ask for sources. Not pages in a fuckin book. I'm not going to a library to check your ridiculous "facts".


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