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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22058388 - 08/07/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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>What responsibility do you assign them for all of the spending and debt that is being racked up?
Its obumble who signs off on every one of those spending bills. Nice try at spin.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
#22058631 - 08/07/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: >What responsibility do you assign them for all of the spending and debt that is being racked up?
Its obumble who signs off on every one of those spending bills. Nice try at spin.
Does Obama hypnotize the two legislative chambers into writing and passing those spending bills first?
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
#22058765 - 08/07/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: >What responsibility do you assign them for all of the spending and debt that is being racked up?
Its obumble who signs off on every one of those spending bills. Nice try at spin.
Why does the House of Representatives give him those bills to sign in the first place?
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22058904 - 08/07/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Because both sides suck ass.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22059005 - 08/07/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Well said. But the moonbats will try to spin it as usual.
We don't have any special word for conservatives like you have 'moonbats', we just call them fringe nutcases these days... and let me say, the fringe nutcases spin at least half the shit I say.
Wait you just said GWB is responsible for huge portion of that debt... But it is Obama, not Bush who continues to borrow a million a minute, it is Obama who borrowed more money than all previous presidents (including GWB). You say we shut cut the military, let's do it, but Obama does nothing. 71% of our government budget is for entitlements and debt, so....it seems like that sector has a lot more fat to trim. We should undoubtedly cut the military budget, but we need a strong military. We need to stop sending money in foreign aid to countries like Syria, we need to address abusers of our welfare state; we need to focus on America and focus on building our nation.
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Well said. But the moonbats will try to spin it as usual.
Just so we're all on the same page here, the House of Representatives that is the primary part of government that SPENDS money has been controlled by Republicans since 2012.
What responsibility do you assign them for all of the spending and debt that is being racked up?[/quote They tried to stop Obama's terrible budget, but it resulted only in "government shutdown", than everyone, probably you included ,attacked them for putting the government In shut down.when the republicans proposed a budget Obama said i will veto veto veto with a grin.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: DottoreWolfe]
#22059061 - 08/07/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Orka >Why does the House of Representatives give him those bills to sign in the first place?
Because he wanted them. Obviously he did or he would not sign them.
Dot > We need to stop sending money in foreign aid to countries like Syria
And isreal, and Afghanistan, and Iraq, and Lebanon, and Egypt and... many others.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
#22059111 - 08/07/15 03:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Orka >Why does the House of Representatives give him those bills to sign in the first place?
Because he wanted them. Obviously he did or he would not sign them.
Dot > We need to stop sending money in foreign aid to countries like Syria
And isreal, and Afghanistan, and Iraq, and Lebanon, and Egypt and... many others.
I concur.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Stonehenge said: >What responsibility do you assign them for all of the spending and debt that is being racked up?
Its obumble who signs off on every one of those spending bills. Nice try at spin.
Why does the House of Representatives give him those bills to sign in the first place?
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Do you have any idea how our gvernment works? Do you know why 60 is a magic number? Do you know what a presidential veto is? Do you know what an executive order is?
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: zappaisgod]
#22059604 - 08/07/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Do you have any idea how our gvernment works? Do you know why 60 is a magic number? Do you know what a presidential veto is? Do you know what an executive order is?
Since 1994, the Republicans have controlled the House of Representatives for 17 out of 21 years. I think that I can say quite comfortably that they have made an enormous contribution to our debt/spending levels with three different Presidents.
If the Republicans were seriously committed to lowering spending, shrinking government, reforming entitlements, paying off the debt then it would have been done by now.
But they aren't and they share equal responsibility for deficits and debt levels with Democrats. Spin it and blame it any way you want, but Republicans are big spenders, big borrowers and love to blame it on the other side. That's fact.
Fiscally, I think Obama's a weakling. And so are Republicans.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22059990 - 08/07/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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>Spin it and blame it any way you want
That's all you do. Obumble could have vetoed any of those bills but he is a spending fool with no sense. Nice try to lay most of the blame on gop, dems are equally culpable.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge] 1
#22060075 - 08/07/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Debt and yearly deficits really aren't worth arguing about, at the end of the day both parties are in at it.
I'm sure they're all laughing when people debate this nonsense, it don't matter.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
#22060077 - 08/07/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Democrats are more culpable. Every time we propose budget cuts Obama says he will veto if they passed and the bills thusly usually die before they get to the congress floor. Obama refuses to cut anywhere, the whole government shutdown was because we couldn't agree on a budge because Obama wouldn't cut. its undoubtedly both parties fault, but Obama just threatens to veto every single budget proposal and many times he does veto them.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: DottoreWolfe]
#22060114 - 08/07/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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DottoreWolfe said: Democrats are more culpable. Every time we propose budget cuts Obama says he will veto if they passed and the bills thusly usually die before they get to the congress floor. Obama refuses to cut anywhere, the whole government shutdown was because we couldn't agree on a budge because Obama wouldn't cut. its undoubtedly both parties fault, but Obama just threatens to veto every single budget proposal and many times he does veto them.
It's all theater, there's a dam good reason why we aren't growing federal/state spending very much, TOO MUCH DEBT!! If interest rates were to rise based on real economic growth, there will be hell to pay in the bond markets.
Both parties know the deal, it's called no growth and no inflation, Obama has NOTHING to do with it.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
#22060461 - 08/07/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: >Spin it and blame it any way you want
That's all you do. Obumble could have vetoed any of those bills but he is a spending fool with no sense. Nice try to lay most of the blame on gop, dems are equally culpable.
Do you have reading comprehension problems? Seriously, I said both sides share equally in this problem and Obama is an economic policy weakling. How am I defending anyone? The filters you take information in through are thick, bud.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22060512 - 08/07/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You throw in a few words saying the dems are equally bad but 90% of your post is blaming the gop. We can see through your smoke screen.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
#22060671 - 08/07/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: You throw in a few words saying the dems are equally bad but 90% of your post is blaming the gop. We can see through your smoke screen.
Well, I guess you missed this post just a couple of pages back ... I pasted it in here. I am anything but an Obama fan and am very critical of him.
Produce one quote of me "defending" Obama? I disagree with most of what he has done including:
1. Declining public funds in the 08 election after he campaigned that he would accept them to keep money influence down in that election. McCain did accept public funds, however. 2. Appointing Geithner and Larry Summers to his economic team ... HUGE mistake 3. Re-appointing Ben Bernanke as FED Chairman 4. Increasing our troop count in Afghanistan 5. Not focusing the stimulus bill in 09 on really key infrastructure priorities 6. Extending the Bush Tax cuts during half of his presidency 7. Appointing Hillary Clinton as Sec'y of State 8. Turning much of the Obamacare negotiations over to big Pharma 9. Not even doing a small pilot test of single payer with Obamacare in a few states 10. Avoiding creating a clear drone bombing policy 11. Secretly increasing domestic surveillance and lying about it 12. Doing virtually nothing to improve education 13. Incredible incompetence in terms of the rollout of Obamacare, website, etc. 14. Very insular inner circle team 15. Lack of rigorous prosecution of banking execs associated with 08 economic crash 16. Way too much focus on white on black crime and near complete ignoring of the much bigger problem of black on black violence in urban areas like Chicago 17. Inability to reform our insane drug laws and/or taking marijuana off of schedule 1 status
For starters. The list could be much longer.
But he did end the Iraq war and the incompetence of Maliki pushed the Sunni Tribal leaders in Iraq to join forces with ISIS ... That started a new war in Iraq.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Once again you run afoul of the facts
>But he did end the Iraq war and the incompetence of Maliki pushed the Sunni Tribal leaders in Iraq to join forces with ISIS ... That started a new war in Iraq.
He did not end the war, shrub did. Obumble's fumbles lead to tribal conflicts which were used to brainwash the public into thinking we should leave troops in there, in other words continue the war that was supposed to have ended. He never ended the war in fact he continued it.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
#22060741 - 08/07/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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He did not end the war, shrub did. Obumble's fumbles lead to tribal conflicts which were used to brainwash the public into thinking we should leave troops in there, in other words continue the war that was supposed to have ended. He never ended the war in fact he continued it.
As the saying goes, "you're entitled to your opinion, but not your own set of facts."
The Iraq war was QUITE ACTIVE the day Obama was sworn into office. To suggest differently is incredibly ignorant. American troops were dying, we were in active combat and there isn't a single credible source anywhere that would suggest the Iraq or Afghanistan war was "over" the day Obama took office.
Your statement is foolish and ignorant and historically inaccurate. Facts are facts.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: qman]
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DottoreWolfe said: Democrats are more culpable. Every time we propose budget cuts Obama says he will veto if they passed and the bills thusly usually die before they get to the congress floor. Obama refuses to cut anywhere, the whole government shutdown was because we couldn't agree on a budge because Obama wouldn't cut. its undoubtedly both parties fault, but Obama just threatens to veto every single budget proposal and many times he does veto them.
It's all theater, there's a dam good reason why we aren't growing federal/state spending very much, TOO MUCH DEBT!! If interest rates were to rise based on real economic growth, there will be hell to pay in the bond markets.
Both parties know the deal, it's called no growth and no inflation, Obama has NOTHING to do with it.
How does Obama have nothing to do with it? As before mentioned, he borrows a million dollars a minute (I mean can you imagine) and even though he has over a year left in office he has borrowed more money than all other presidents combined. The Republican led congress tried to pass much better budgets, but all that he said was veto, veto, veto and then when the government shut down, because of no budge Obama blamed the Republicans pressuring them to put through these ludicrous bills. Yeah Republican party needs to grow a spine, but Obama needs to learn to control his shopping addiction.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: DottoreWolfe]
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DottoreWolfe said: Wait you just said GWB is responsible for huge portion of that debt... But it is Obama, not Bush who continues to borrow a million a minute, it is Obama who borrowed more money than all previous presidents (including GWB).
Look, presidential spending can be viewed in many ways. If you adjust for inflation, your claim is a bold lie, but even if you don't, there are many factors involved here. I don't support Obama, and I'm not here to defend his poor decision to continue right-wing policies that are destroying our country (Such as tax cuts and military adventures).
For a small idea of the variety of different ways this might be chopped up, have a look at this article: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/23/facebook-posts/viral-facebook-post-says-barack-obama-has-lowest-s/
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You say we shut cut the military, let's do it, but Obama does nothing.
Yes, and shame on him for it.
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71% of our government budget is for entitlements and debt, so....it seems like that sector has a lot more fat to trim.
I am curious how you define the term 'entitlement'. These days the word 'entitlement' gets thrown around a lot, and the general meaning has been warped into a mere contradiction. Social Security and Medicare truly are entitlements because workers put money into them, which they are entitled to proportionately. However, nowadays Republicans use the word 'entitlement' to represent benefits that people receive without earning them, such as food stamps, or government subsidies (welfare for the wealthy).
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We should undoubtedly cut the military budget, but we need a strong military. We need to stop sending money in foreign aid to countries like Syria, we need to address abusers of our welfare state; we need to focus on America and focus on building our nation.
What do we need a strong military for? Nobody is trying to attack America, except maybe some whacko theocrats. We can't stop them anyway.
I agree with you on foreign aid. We need to stop supporting Israel also. I agree that we should be investing lots of tax money into America's infrastructure too. It would create lots of jobs, make our country stronger and safer, and get the economy going again. Bernie Sanders agrees also ;-)
We don't have a welfare state. We do have a police state, however. Alan Grayson tried to pass legislation to literally keep nukes and ballistic missiles out of police hands, and Republicans shot it down.
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