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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22053228 - 08/06/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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He just fights it differently. That doesn't make him anti-war.




So you are stating that generally, Obama is not an anti war President?  LMAO!!!!  That's hysterical.  He is hammered day after day by the GOP for being reluctant to go to war in a big enough way.  He is hammered for pulling out of Iraq.  He is hammered for not sending in more troops to Iraq to fight ISIS.  He is criticized for negotiating with Iran and heavily criticized for not sending arms and troops into Eastern Europe to support Ukraine.

You guys are too frigging funny!  Regardless of what you and those like you say, Obama will go down in history as a very anti-war president.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22053240 - 08/06/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Obama will go down in history as a lying weasel.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22053266 - 08/06/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Obama will go down in history as a lying weasel.




Every President in my lifetime has lied a lot.  Reagan helped Saddam get chemical WMD's for God's sake and traded arms with Iran!  Carter was probably the most honest I can recall and was heavily criticized for it.  LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, GHWB, Bill Clinton and GWB all lied an many things over and over and over. 

GWB in my estimation was the worst, however.  Obama's about average, similar to Reagan and Clinton in the lying department.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca] * 1
    #22053290 - 08/06/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Obama makes Clinton look like the Pope. Obama is an embarrassment.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22053379 - 08/06/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Obama makes Clinton look like the Pope. Obama is an embarrassment.




Did you vote for McCain / Palin?

(No doubt in anyone's mind he's a  PRO WAR candidate.  And I mean PRO WAR!!!!!!!)


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22053502 - 08/06/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

From this very thread...

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22014192#22014192

So no. I didn't vote for McCain. Or Obama.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22053556 - 08/06/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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From this very thread...

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22014192#22014192

So no. I didn't vote for McCain. Or Obama.




One of the benefits one gets from sitting on the sidelines or voting for a candidate that has no chance at all of winning is  you can criticize both sides regardless of who wins or what happens.  I hate our two party system but recognize it's what we have.  At the local level, there are times when an alternative candidate can get through, but that's not going to happen at the Presidential level, at least not right now.

I respect your opinion on McCain/Palin, but I think McCain would have been a complete disaster.  And, God forbid Palin ever got into the Oval Office, that represented an existential threat to the US.  She has nowhere near the wattage for that job and is a national joke, IMHO.  McCain has done nothing but push war, more ground troops, more confrontation virtually everywhere a conflict erupts.  We quite frankly might be at war right now with Russia and Iran if McCain had been elected.

I've been very specific in my criticism of Obama, more specific than anyone I've read here on this thread.  I'm not throwing mindless insults.  I don't think Obama had the executive chops for the job.  However, elections are choices between two candidates, generally and against McCain/Palin, Obama was a better choice.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22053755 - 08/06/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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We quite frankly might be at war right now with Russia and Iran if McCain had been elected.




And I might be 6'5" with a 16", 10lb wang.


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I've been very specific in my criticism of Obama, more specific than anyone I've read here on this thread.  I'm not throwing mindless insults.  I don't think Obama had the executive chops for the job.  However, elections are choices between two candidates, generally and against McCain/Palin, Obama was a better choice.




From the start Obama was a no-talent, no experience hack, which is what he remains. He treated the office as a monarchy, the IRS as his 'bad cop' and made a mockery of the separation of powers. A 3rd Bush term or a Palin presidency would have been preferable to that ass-clown.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22053927 - 08/06/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

OK, you said obumble had a "zero" deficit. Now you seem to be backtracking on that without admitting you were wrong.

>OF COURSE Obama's term is responsible for a large amount of deficit spending ... OF COURSE!!!  That goes without saying.  But to say every nickel of deficit spending since the day he was sworn in is HIS FAULT, IMHO, is intellectually dishonest.

What is dishonest is saying he had a zero deficit and not acknowledging you were wrong.

>So you are stating that generally, Obama is not an anti war President?  LMAO!!!!  That's hysterical.

LDS is right, obumble has kept the Iraq war going that shrub negotiated an end to, tried like hell to get congress to give its ok on war with Syria, sent money over anyway to stir up trouble over there, also Afghanistan, yemen and other countries. Even the gop refused to give him permission to send troops to Syria but in your fantasy world, he is the peace president. I guess then Clinton was the truth president and Reagan was the youth president? Shrub must have been the smart one, using your logic.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22054024 - 08/06/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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OK, you said obumble had a "zero" deficit. Now you seem to be backtracking on that without admitting you were wrong.

>OF COURSE Obama's term is responsible for a large amount of deficit spending ... OF COURSE!!!  That goes without saying.  But to say every nickel of deficit spending since the day he was sworn in is HIS FAULT, IMHO, is intellectually dishonest.

What is dishonest is saying he had a zero deficit and not acknowledging you were wrong.

>So you are stating that generally, Obama is not an anti war President?  LMAO!!!!  That's hysterical.

LDS is right, obumble has kept the Iraq war going that shrub negotiated an end to, tried like hell to get congress to give its ok on war with Syria, sent money over anyway to stir up trouble over there, also Afghanistan, yemen and other countries. Even the gop refused to give him permission to send troops to Syria but in your fantasy world, he is the peace president. I guess then Clinton was the truth president and Reagan was the youth president? Shrub must have been the smart one, using your logic.




Please show me where I ever said Obama had a zero deficit or balanced the budget?  All I ever said is the deficit has come down since he became president and I give Obama almost no credit at all in the budgeting / spending area of his responsibility.  NONE.  I simply said Bush is responsible for a good chunk of the deficit and debt racked up during Obama's years.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22054028 - 08/06/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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A 3rd Bush term or a Palin presidency would have been preferable to that ass-clown.





We'll have to agree to disagree with that one.  Bar room brawling Sarah would have been an existential threat.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22054250 - 08/06/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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How about leaving office with a $1.3 Deficit. Obama's on track to leave office with a $0 Deficit, just like, oh, I dunno... Clinton. Who is fiscally responsible again?




We could also add that GWB pushed huge banking DE-regulation even in the wake of the repeal of Glass Steagall under Clinton/Newt so instead of beefing up oversight, he took it away and BRAGGED about it which is a major contributing cause of the 08/09 collapse.

GWB was a disaster ... like a giant bungee jump for America.




You agreed with woof when he said it.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22054271 - 08/06/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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How about leaving office with a $1.3 Deficit. Obama's on track to leave office with a $0 Deficit, just like, oh, I dunno... Clinton. Who is fiscally responsible again?




We could also add that GWB pushed huge banking DE-regulation even in the wake of the repeal of Glass Steagall under Clinton/Newt so instead of beefing up oversight, he took it away and BRAGGED about it which is a major contributing cause of the 08/09 collapse.

GWB was a disaster ... like a giant bungee jump for America.




You agreed with woof when he said it.




Where do I say I agreed with that statement?  Having said that, if you were to put a graph up of the deficit since Obama took over, the trajectory and projections are that, at current spending levels and if the sequester stays in place, we are on track in a few years to have a zero deficit ... that, by the way, is not zero debt.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22054306 - 08/06/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

>Where do I say I agreed with that statement?

You quoted that part of his statement and said "We could also add..." clearly indicating you agreed.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22054356 - 08/06/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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>Where do I say I agreed with that statement?

You quoted that part of his statement and said "We could also add..." clearly indicating you agreed.




You do know it's possible the deficit will be zero at the end of 2016 fiscal year, don't you?  GDP needs to keep on track, but it could happen.  I wouldn't bet on it either way. 

The sequester is making that happen and I sense congress is going to weaken it so it's likely the deficit will start growing again.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22055774 - 08/06/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

BigbaddWolf you never really addressed the fact that the national debt has increased more under Obama than any other president including GWB, while at the same time he continues to borrow a million dollars every single minute and even though he still has over a year left he has already borrowed more than every other president previously combined. The sad thing is he does this while trying to push through more social plans with no source of funding but increased taxation. Not to mention the nuclear deal with Iran or his terrible immigration policy, I'm not against Mexico, but Americans of all skin colours need jobs and don't say "they only do the jobs you wouldn't" because I know for a fact many of my friends would love to work on farms, but very few even hire Americans because Mexicans (screwing over the minimum wage system and not paying any taxes) work for pennies on the dollar.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: DottoreWolfe]
    #22057148 - 08/07/15 08:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Firstly, Stonehenge, I never said that Obama didn't have a deficit. I said he will likely have 0 deficit by 2016.

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BigbaddWolf you never really addressed the fact that the national debt has increased more under Obama than any other president including GWB, while at the same time he continues to borrow a million dollars every single minute and even though he still has over a year left he has already borrowed more than every other president previously combined.




Look, I'm not some apologetic for Obama. In fact, Obama pissed me off a lot during his presidency. Probably the biggest thing he's done lately that pissed me off is the TPP.

However, I did give some of my perspective on that here.

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During the global recession, many countries had to borrow lots of money to stay afloat (This is a negative side-effect of your beloved Capitalism). Add to that the fact that Bush started a war he never paid for, while reducing taxes on his corporate buddies, and Obama had to take the fight to the country which actually housed our enemy (Afghanistan) and spend even more money, of course our debt has grown significantly.

Yes, a very large portion of the debt can be blamed on Bush. It is irresponsible to pin it all on Obama.

If you want to cut spending, why don't you stop pointing your finger at 'entitlements', and focus on military spending. I recently posted a thread about a $40 million dollar building that the US built in Afghanistan, and even when we left the area halfway through the project, they continued construction. Now it is likely going to be demolished.

If we're going to cut spending anywhere, the military should be first. Let's stop this exorbitant complete and utter waste of money. Nobody is a threat to America, and even if our military was 1/50 the size, nobody would be a viable threat to us.




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The sad thing is he does this while trying to push through more social plans with no source of funding but increased taxation.




Push through more social plans? What are all of these social plans you speak of? Healthcare? Also, as I have said before, Obama has taxed the US less than Reagan, so quit your absolutely ridiculous bitching. Did you read my post, because I feel like I'm the one having to repeat myself here.

I am curious, what source of revenue you think he should be pursuing aside from taxation. Maybe closing the tax loopholes that allow 25% of large corporations to stash their profits offshore and dodge taxes, but then again, that's still taxation. As a good libertarian sheep, I'm sure you support tax evasion anyway. Maybe Obama should be pillaging foreign nations for that money?

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Not to mention the nuclear deal with Iran or his terrible immigration policy, I'm not against Mexico, but Americans of all skin colours need jobs and don't say "they only do the jobs you wouldn't" because I know for a fact many of my friends would love to work on farms, but very few even hire Americans because Mexicans (screwing over the minimum wage system and not paying any taxes) work for pennies on the dollar.




I'm not against his nuclear deal with Iran. I feel peace is a noble pursuit. Just so you know, Iranians are mostly white people, by the way. That fact might make you right-wingers a bit less hasty to blow them the fuck up. They aren't more brown people bro, so you won't get the same satisfaction from murdering their civilians.

As far as immigration, I don't support open boarders. I know plenty of people who would do migrant worker jobs if the wages weren't artificially reduced by the cheap labor of illegals. I don't like it that that money gets removed from the US economy and sent back to Mexico, also.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: DottoreWolfe]
    #22057903 - 08/07/15 10:43 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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BigbaddWolf you never really addressed the fact that the national debt has increased more under Obama than any other president including GWB, while at the same time he continues to borrow a million dollars every single minute and even though he still has over a year left he has already borrowed more than every other president previously combined. The sad thing is he does this while trying to push through more social plans with no source of funding but increased taxation. Not to mention the nuclear deal with Iran or his terrible immigration policy, I'm not against Mexico, but Americans of all skin colours need jobs and don't say "they only do the jobs you wouldn't" because I know for a fact many of my friends would love to work on farms, but very few even hire Americans because Mexicans (screwing over the minimum wage system and not paying any taxes) work for pennies on the dollar.




Well said. But the moonbats will try to spin it as usual.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22057999 - 08/07/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Well said. But the moonbats will try to spin it as usual.




Just so we're all on the same page here, the House of Representatives that is the primary part of government that SPENDS money has been controlled by Republicans since 2012.

What responsibility do you assign them for all of the spending and debt that is being racked up?


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22058011 - 08/07/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Well said. But the moonbats will try to spin it as usual.




We don't have any special word for conservatives like you have 'moonbats', we just call them fringe nutcases these days... and let me say, the fringe nutcases spin at least half the shit I say.


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