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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: qman]
    #22048225 - 08/05/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You think he delivered? The only thing he actually did was force obumblecare on us. The result being that most new jobs are part time now to escape the requirements of the law. The website never worked right and the bill for all that crap is coming in.






I said at least 3 different times I'm no Obama fan and feel no reason to defend him or his record and don't think he executed well on many things.  He did, however, delivery on his primary campaign promises.  There is no doubt about that.  Did he deliver well or as you would have liked?  That's another argument entirely.




You defend Obama to no end and rationalize every ill from his administration, I think it's more than a hatred of Republican polices, you truly buy into the cool aid.




I think he's calling them as he sees them. He's not grasping at straws to make some bold case about how great Obama has been. In fact, he's not even saying Obama was great.

This is a strawman. Apparently nobody can say anything good about Obama without being a staunch supporter.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22050627 - 08/05/15 10:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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How about leaving office with a $1.3 Deficit. Obama's on track to leave office with a $0 Deficit, just like, oh, I dunno... Clinton. Who is fiscally responsible again?




How can you honestly think Obama is fiscally responsible...I really hope you are just a sick leftist promoting socialism and that you don't actually believe that. The deficit may be 0, but the national debt is higher than ever before, his high taxes are astronomical and very burdensome to the majority of the population. He has added more debt than any other president. He borrows a million dollars every minute and he is also on track to borrow more money than every other president combined. Do you think borrowing trillion dollars from china makes us look strong? He did nothing for the seemingly dismal future of social security and he started new wars (without congressional approval). Deficit means literally nothing in the scheme of things (deficit only refers to 1 year), our debt though (the important one), is exponentially increasing, especially under Obama. The Congressional Budget Office warns that shrinking deficits won’t last if the nation keeps to its current spending and taxing policies. Deficits will begin to increase in years to come and continue increasing for the next 25 years, through 2038.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: qman]
    #22051866 - 08/06/15 05:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You defend Obama to no end and rationalize every ill from his administration, I think it's more than a hatred of Republican polices, you truly buy into the cool aid.




Produce one quote of me "defending" Obama?  I disagree with most of what he has done including:

1. Declining public funds in the 08 election after he campaigned that he would accept them to keep money influence down in that election.  McCain did accept public funds, however.
2. Appointing Geithner and Larry Summers to his economic team ... HUGE mistake
3. Re-appointing Ben Bernanke as FED Chairman
4. Increasing our troop count in Afghanistan
5. Not focusing the stimulus bill in 09 on really key infrastructure priorities
6. Extending the Bush Tax cuts during half of his presidency
7. Appointing Hillary Clinton as Sec'y of State
8. Turning much of the Obamacare negotiations over to big Pharma
9. Not even doing a small pilot test of single payer with Obamacare in a few states
10. Avoiding creating a clear drone bombing policy
11. Secretly increasing domestic surveillance and lying about it
12. Doing virtually nothing to improve education
13. Incredible incompetence in terms of the rollout of Obamacare, website, etc.
14. Very insular inner circle team
15. Lack of rigorous prosecution of banking execs associated with 08 economic crash
16. Way too much focus on white on black crime and near complete ignoring of the much bigger problem of black on black violence in urban areas like Chicago
17. Inability to reform our insane drug laws and/or taking marijuana off of schedule 1 status

For starters.  The list could be much longer. 

But he did end the Iraq war and the incompetence of Maliki pushed the Sunni Tribal leaders in Iraq to join forces with ISIS ... That started a new war in Iraq.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22051880 - 08/06/15 05:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

He also tried with Feinstein to ban semj automatic rifles and lied about the facts claiming banning guns saves lives when the truth is starkly different. Plus his negotiations with Iran, his complete failure as a leader in Eastern Europe totally failing at the whole Crimea situation. He leaves camnabis legalisation in quasi legal status putting millions of people in our jails,  Isis has expanded unfathombly under Obama, the holocaust in Middle East has gotten much worse, he borrows a million dollars a minute, has increased debt more than any other president (14 trillion), he's borrowed more money than all previous presidents combined, USA is producing less than ever because of insane domestic taxation on businesses, GDP shrunk, he wants to give amnesty to 14 million illegals, he didn't end the patriot act (like he promised on campaign), did nothing for soon to burst social security (in fact putting us in an even worse position with all the accrued debt. Need I continue?


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: DottoreWolfe]
    #22051965 - 08/06/15 06:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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How about leaving office with a $1.3 Deficit. Obama's on track to leave office with a $0 Deficit, just like, oh, I dunno... Clinton. Who is fiscally responsible again?




How can you honestly think Obama is fiscally responsible...I really hope you are just a sick leftist promoting socialism and that you don't actually believe that.




I am somewhat Socialist, not a 'sick leftist'.

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The deficit may be 0, but the national debt is higher than ever before




Bush is to blame for a very very large chunk of that money.

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His high taxes are astronomical and very burdensome to the majority of the population.




"Astronomical", huh? Obama's tax rates are lower than Reagan's. That good old GOPer Eisenhower had a top marginal tax rate averaging roughly 90% during his 8 years in office, and the economy boomed! Where are you getting your facts, bro? Can you back this claim?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/sep/22/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-taxes-are-lower-today-under-reag/

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The ordinary income tax brackets passed under Bush in 2003 and extended until the end of 2012 by Obama.




http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/04/12/1377279/-Look-How-Obama-Raised-Taxes-Or-Not-Tax-Rates-Explained-In-One-Chart

Its interesting how you bitch about the deficit in one breath, and Obama's "high taxes" in the next. Check this out:

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In 2009, the Tax Policy Center estimated that 47 percent of households paid no federal income tax. This year, just 43 percent will avoid the tax.




http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2013/08/30/fewer-americans-paying-no-federal-income-tax/

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He has added more debt than any other president. He borrows a million dollars every minute and he is also on track to borrow more money than every other president combined. Do you think borrowing trillion dollars from china makes us look strong?




We only owe China a small fraction of our debt (less than 10%), by the way, about 1.3 Trillion.:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/10/12/chart-who-does-the-u-s-govt-owe-17-trillion-to/

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Two thirds of US public debt is owned by US citizens, banks, corporations, and the Federal Reserve Bank;[6] approximately one third of US public debt is held by foreign countries - particularly China and Japan.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt-to-GDP_ratio

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He did nothing for the seemingly dismal future of social security and he started new wars (without congressional approval).




Social Security will remain solvent for the next 18 years, and Bernie Sanders has a plan to keep it solvent for 80 years.

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Deficit means literally nothing in the scheme of things (deficit only refers to 1 year), our debt though (the important one), is exponentially increasing, especially under Obama. The Congressional Budget Office warns that shrinking deficits won’t last if the nation keeps to its current spending and taxing policies. Deficits will begin to increase in years to come and continue increasing for the next 25 years, through 2038.




During the global recession, many countries had to borrow lots of money to stay afloat (This is a negative side-effect of your beloved Capitalism). Add to that the fact that Bush started a war he never paid for, while reducing taxes on his corporate buddies, and Obama had to take the fight to the country which actually housed our enemy (Afghanistan) and spend even more money, of course our debt has grown significantly.

Yes, a very large portion of the debt can be blamed on Bush. It is irresponsible to pin it all on Obama.

If you want to cut spending, why don't you stop pointing your finger at 'entitlements', and focus on military spending. I recently posted a thread about a $40 million dollar building that the US built in Afghanistan, and even when we left the area halfway through the project, they continued construction. Now it is likely going to be demolished.

If we're going to cut spending anywhere, the military should be first. Let's stop this exorbitant complete and utter waste of money. Nobody is a threat to America, and even if our military was 1/50 the size, nobody would be a viable threat to us.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22051978 - 08/06/15 06:44 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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If we're going to cut spending anywhere, the military should be first. Let's st




HI BBW - You just hit it right on the head.  Shrink the military, domestic surveillance, ridiculous foreign nation building ...

And then, let's do some nation building right here in the USA.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22052022 - 08/06/15 07:04 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Have you read 'War is a Racket' by Smedley Butler?


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22052051 - 08/06/15 07:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Have you read 'War is a Racket' by Smedley Butler?




I haven't, but I know the theme and agree 100%,  The energy, banking and military contracting corporations have got a system that is incredibly  devious and subversive to our country's more important interests.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22052196 - 08/06/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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qman said:

You defend Obama to no end and rationalize every ill from his administration, I think it's more than a hatred of Republican polices, you truly buy into the cool aid.




Produce one quote of me "defending" Obama?  I disagree with most of what he has done including:

1. Declining public funds in the 08 election after he campaigned that he would accept them to keep money influence down in that election.  McCain did accept public funds, however.
2. Appointing Geithner and Larry Summers to his economic team ... HUGE mistake
3. Re-appointing Ben Bernanke as FED Chairman
4. Increasing our troop count in Afghanistan
5. Not focusing the stimulus bill in 09 on really key infrastructure priorities
6. Extending the Bush Tax cuts during half of his presidency
7. Appointing Hillary Clinton as Sec'y of State
8. Turning much of the Obamacare negotiations over to big Pharma
9. Not even doing a small pilot test of single payer with Obamacare in a few states
10. Avoiding creating a clear drone bombing policy
11. Secretly increasing domestic surveillance and lying about it
12. Doing virtually nothing to improve education
13. Incredible incompetence in terms of the rollout of Obamacare, website, etc.
14. Very insular inner circle team
15. Lack of rigorous prosecution of banking execs associated with 08 economic crash
16. Way too much focus on white on black crime and near complete ignoring of the much bigger problem of black on black violence in urban areas like Chicago
17. Inability to reform our insane drug laws and/or taking marijuana off of schedule 1 status

For starters.  The list could be much longer. 

But he did end the Iraq war and the incompetence of Maliki pushed the Sunni Tribal leaders in Iraq to join forces with ISIS ... That started a new war in Iraq.




You see I don't even blame Obama for any of those polices because he doesn't have the power to govern, he's a puppet and nothing more. Do you really think a black man from Chicago with no business or military experience is going to come in and run the most powerful nation the world has ever seen?  Why do you think the Wall Street Bankers put him into power in 2008 despite the fact that Obama chastised them non-stop?


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: qman]
    #22052241 - 08/06/15 08:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You see I don't even blame Obama for any of those polices because he doesn't have the power to govern, he's a puppet and nothing more. Do you really think a black man from Chicago with no business or military experience is going to come in and run the most powerful nation the world has ever seen?  Why do you think the Wall Street Bankers put him into power in 2008 despite the fact that Obama chastised them non-stop?




Please explain why Obama was a better "choice" for these Wall Street Bankers you suggest "put him in power" as opposed to Hillary Clinton (A banker's wet dream) or Mitt Romney who was, in fact a Wall Street Banker, albeit on the private equity side.

Banks support ALL candidates and give to BOTH parties and yet, the amount they give is nowhere near what others give.  They don't pull all the strings.  There is, IMHO, a corporate global governing force on our planet that, to some extent, employs all politicians, but I don't believe they make the final decision on who gets elected into the White House.  They don't need to.  They control a far more important element of the way nations and policy is created and approved.  Democracy is, to a large extent, PR for the masses and I doubt the powers that be even need to intervene much to get what they want most.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22052512 - 08/06/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You see I don't even blame Obama for any of those polices because he doesn't have the power to govern, he's a puppet and nothing more. Do you really think a black man from Chicago with no business or military experience is going to come in and run the most powerful nation the world has ever seen?  Why do you think the Wall Street Bankers put him into power in 2008 despite the fact that Obama chastised them non-stop?




Please explain why Obama was a better "choice" for these Wall Street Bankers you suggest "put him in power" as opposed to Hillary Clinton (A banker's wet dream) or Mitt Romney who was, in fact a Wall Street Banker, albeit on the private equity side.

Banks support ALL candidates and give to BOTH parties and yet, the amount they give is nowhere near what others give.  They don't pull all the strings.  There is, IMHO, a corporate global governing force on our planet that, to some extent, employs all politicians, but I don't believe they make the final decision on who gets elected into the White House.  They don't need to.  They control a far more important element of the way nations and policy is created and approved.  Democracy is, to a large extent, PR for the masses and I doubt the powers that be even need to intervene much to get what they want most.




"Please explain why Obama was a better choice?"

The banks received the biggest "bailout" in US history as the economy tanked and people suffered, this series of events did NOT make the American public very happy with the political system.  Obama provided the perfect cover, a man for the people that bashed the banks as he was doing everything they wanted, people wouldn't have been happy if "country club" Romney was doing to the same thing. 

I also do agree with the rest of what you wrote.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: qman]
    #22052618 - 08/06/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The banks received the biggest "bailout" in US history as the economy tanked and people suffered, this series of events did NOT make the American public very happy with the political system.  Obama provided the perfect cover, a man for the people that bashed the banks as he was doing everything they wanted, people wouldn't have been happy if "country club" Romney was doing to the same thing. 

I also do agree with the rest of what you wrote.




IMHO, Obama one for one key reason.  He was the most authentic anti war / anti Bush candidate running.  All other factors were insignificant.  Hillary's vote for the Iraq war hurt her a lot and McCain's "4 more years of GWB" crushed his chances.  Banking had nothing to do with it.  It was Bush that rammed TARP down the throats of Congress and Bernanke that back doored trillions to the banks through the FED.  Obama had very little to do with that.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22052706 - 08/06/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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qman said:


The banks received the biggest "bailout" in US history as the economy tanked and people suffered, this series of events did NOT make the American public very happy with the political system.  Obama provided the perfect cover, a man for the people that bashed the banks as he was doing everything they wanted, people wouldn't have been happy if "country club" Romney was doing to the same thing. 

I also do agree with the rest of what you wrote.




IMHO, Obama one for one key reason.  He was the most authentic anti war / anti Bush candidate running.  All other factors were insignificant.  Hillary's vote for the Iraq war hurt her a lot and McCain's "4 more years of GWB" crushed his chances.  Banking had nothing to do with it.  It was Bush that rammed TARP down the throats of Congress and Bernanke that back doored trillions to the banks through the FED.  Obama had very little to do with that.




Yet, Obama kept Bernanke on, how convenient.  Obama was never going to get scrutinized for his Fed or economic polices.  I agree his "anti war" rhetoric was appealing to many people.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22052753 - 08/06/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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KauaiOrca said:
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qman said:


The banks received the biggest "bailout" in US history as the economy tanked and people suffered, this series of events did NOT make the American public very happy with the political system.  Obama provided the perfect cover, a man for the people that bashed the banks as he was doing everything they wanted, people wouldn't have been happy if "country club" Romney was doing to the same thing. 

I also do agree with the rest of what you wrote.




IMHO, Obama one for one key reason.  He was the most authentic anti war / anti Bush candidate running.  All other factors were insignificant.  Hillary's vote for the Iraq war hurt her a lot and McCain's "4 more years of GWB" crushed his chances.  Banking had nothing to do with it.  It was Bush that rammed TARP down the throats of Congress and Bernanke that back doored trillions to the banks through the FED.  Obama had very little to do with that.




Perhaps you are unaware that the Obama administration negotiated with the Iraqi government to keep us in Iraq?

Perhaps you are unaware that the pullout was negotiated by the Bush administration?

There is little if anything authentic about the tool in the Oval Office.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22052950 - 08/06/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Perhaps you are unaware that the Obama administration negotiated with the Iraqi government to keep us in Iraq?

Perhaps you are unaware that the pullout was negotiated by the Bush administration?

There is little if anything authentic about the tool in the Oval Office.




You seem utterly consumed with convincing me/others that Obama is a great failure and so on and on and on.  I said he WON the Presidency because AS A CANDIDATE Americans saw him as the most AUTHENTIC anti war candidate.  That's what he built his entire campaign on.  And that worked. It resonated.  And, he has proven to be a pretty consistent anti war President. He has not launched another big ground war into another nation such as Ukraine, Iran, Libya, Egypt, etc.  Instead, he used air power, drones and diplomatic means and most Americans prefer that over another multi year big invasion with trillions spent and never ending nation building.  I get that you don't like that ... and that's fine ... but he has proven to be a very reluctant President to engage in a big way over seas.  If you want to say he droned in all these nations and so on, go for it.  The fact remains, compared to GWB, he has been much more reluctant to send in big numbers of American troops and that's EXACTLY what he campaigned on.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22052988 - 08/06/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

You are trying to tell us there is zero deficit under obumble? I call bullshit on that. We have not only a huge trade deficit but also a spending deficit. Put down the kool aid, bro. You've had enough.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22053039 - 08/06/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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You are trying to tell us there is zero deficit under obumble? I call bullshit on that. We have not only a huge trade deficit but also a spending deficit. Put down the kool aid, bro. You've had enough.




OF COURSE Obama's term is responsible for a large amount of deficit spending ... OF COURSE!!!  That goes without saying.  But to say every nickel of deficit spending since the day he was sworn in is HIS FAULT, IMHO, is intellectually dishonest.  The US economy went through an EXTREME shock in 08/09 and to blame that on Obama is utterly ludicrous.  Bernanke said, in many ways, the 08/09 recession was as bad or worse than the depression and he is one of the premiere students of this topic.  He said 12 of the 15 largest financial institutions were weeks away from complete insolvency at one point.  Think about that for a moment.  He was there and clearly had better data and sources than you and I. 

Keep in mind that the deficit and debt are two different things.  The deficit is measured every year and is the gap between revenues taken in and revenues spent.  The debt is what remains long term.  It is possible for Obama to actually spend more and operate with a zero deficit (he hasn't done this yet).  What has happened as Obama has been President is that for the last 4 years the yearly deficit is shrinking and shrinking in a big way because of a number of factors, most of which having to do with GDP growth and increased revenues do to expiration of the Bush tax cuts.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22053076 - 08/06/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Perhaps you are unaware that the Obama administration negotiated with the Iraqi government to keep us in Iraq?

Perhaps you are unaware that the pullout was negotiated by the Bush administration?

There is little if anything authentic about the tool in the Oval Office.




You seem utterly consumed with convincing me/others that Obama is a great failure and so on and on and on.  I said he WON the Presidency because AS A CANDIDATE Americans saw him as the most AUTHENTIC anti war candidate.  That's what he built his entire campaign on.  And that worked. It resonated.  And, he has proven to be a pretty consistent anti war President. He has not launched another big ground war into another nation such as Ukraine, Iran, Libya, Egypt, etc.  Instead, he used air power, drones and diplomatic means and most Americans prefer that over another multi year big invasion with trillions spent and never ending nation building.  I get that you don't like that ... and that's fine ... but he has proven to be a very reluctant President to engage in a big way over seas.  If you want to say he droned in all these nations and so on, go for it.  The fact remains, compared to GWB, he has been much more reluctant to send in big numbers of American troops and that's EXACTLY what he campaigned on.




Utterly consumed?  :lmafo:

Just pointing out the errors in your beliefs and that what you found authentic, wasn't.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22053129 - 08/06/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
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KauaiOrca said:
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luvdemshrooms said:

Perhaps you are unaware that the Obama administration negotiated with the Iraqi government to keep us in Iraq?

Perhaps you are unaware that the pullout was negotiated by the Bush administration?

There is little if anything authentic about the tool in the Oval Office.




You seem utterly consumed with convincing me/others that Obama is a great failure and so on and on and on.  I said he WON the Presidency because AS A CANDIDATE Americans saw him as the most AUTHENTIC anti war candidate.  That's what he built his entire campaign on.  And that worked. It resonated.  And, he has proven to be a pretty consistent anti war President. He has not launched another big ground war into another nation such as Ukraine, Iran, Libya, Egypt, etc.  Instead, he used air power, drones and diplomatic means and most Americans prefer that over another multi year big invasion with trillions spent and never ending nation building.  I get that you don't like that ... and that's fine ... but he has proven to be a very reluctant President to engage in a big way over seas.  If you want to say he droned in all these nations and so on, go for it.  The fact remains, compared to GWB, he has been much more reluctant to send in big numbers of American troops and that's EXACTLY what he campaigned on.




Utterly consumed?  :lmafo:

Just pointing out the errors in your beliefs and that what you found authentic, wasn't.




Actually, anyone with any objectivity in their brain would agree that Obama has been a far more anti war candidate/president than any of the alternatives ... Hillary, McCain or Romney, would have been.  And he has proven it.  To suggest that isn't true is laughable.  Blame Obama for many things, but sticking with his anti big new ground war strategy is something he's been very consistent about and heavily criticized for.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22053162 - 08/06/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

He just fights it differently. That doesn't make him anti-war.


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