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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22001411 - 07/26/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Lol... well I can't agree with you there, as I am a big supporter of the oldest person in this race! With age comes wisdom, afterall ;-)

You're starting to sound like a Scott Walker cheerleader! lmao

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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22001443 - 07/26/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
Lol... well I can't agree with you there, as I am a big supporter of the oldest person in this race! With age comes wisdom, afterall ;-)

You're starting to sound like a Scott Walker cheerleader! lmao

'He's young and peppy!'




Bernie's got A LOT more vitality than Hillary.  not even close.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22001459 - 07/26/15 07:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You know, now that you mention it, he does! Hillary's been through a lot of shit. Evil begets evil, I suppose! :smile:


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22002188 - 07/26/15 10:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/trump-we-should-work-something-out-illegals-merit_996836.html

Trump on illegals in the US- "we take the bad ones and get them the hell out".    :kaneclap:


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: qman]
    #22002596 - 07/27/15 01:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

qman said:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/trump-we-should-work-something-out-illegals-merit_996836.html

Trump on illegals in the US- "we take the bad ones and get them the hell out".    :kaneclap:



Ok. let's get the bad guys outa here. not really saying a whole lot. what is this merit system he speaks of? He does acknowledge that it's not just Mexicans but bad guys taking advantage of our Mexican border. So what's his plan. That wall he was talking about making Mexicans build and pay for?
Our house is on fire and he is talking about the ants that are coming through a hole in the door. Problem? Yes. Priority? No. Fear is what he is selling.

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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: qman]
    #22003006 - 07/27/15 06:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

qman said:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/trump-we-should-work-something-out-illegals-merit_996836.html

Trump on illegals in the US- "we take the bad ones and get them the hell out".    :kaneclap:




Brilliant plan.

Next we can arrest all the criminals so there's no crime.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22003077 - 07/27/15 06:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Quote:

qman said:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/trump-we-should-work-something-out-illegals-merit_996836.html

Trump on illegals in the US- "we take the bad ones and get them the hell out".    :kaneclap:




Brilliant plan.

Next we can arrest all the criminals so there's no crime.




Unfortunately the criminals have rights under the consitution and cannot be dealt in a swift manner.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: spock]
    #22003343 - 07/27/15 08:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

spock said:
Quote:

qman said:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/trump-we-should-work-something-out-illegals-merit_996836.html

Trump on illegals in the US- "we take the bad ones and get them the hell out".    :kaneclap:



Ok. let's get the bad guys outa here. not really saying a whole lot. what is this merit system he speaks of? He does acknowledge that it's not just Mexicans but bad guys taking advantage of our Mexican border. So what's his plan. That wall he was talking about making Mexicans build and pay for?
Our house is on fire and he is talking about the ants that are coming through a hole in the door. Problem? Yes. Priority? No. Fear is what he is selling.

Peace
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The point is he has the guts to bring up the deportation process, the plan is to start with the bad ones and continue on with the other illegals. It's about enforcing the current laws, something the other puppets can't address.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Patlal]
    #22003514 - 07/27/15 09:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Patlal said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Quote:

qman said:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/trump-we-should-work-something-out-illegals-merit_996836.html

Trump on illegals in the US- "we take the bad ones and get them the hell out".    :kaneclap:




Brilliant plan.

Next we can arrest all the criminals so there's no crime.




Unfortunately the criminals have rights under the consitution and cannot be dealt in a swift manner.




The point is you can't just go out and arrest criminals like they're wearing signs around their necks.

Same as illegal immigrants.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22003520 - 07/27/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Quote:

Patlal said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Quote:

qman said:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/trump-we-should-work-something-out-illegals-merit_996836.html

Trump on illegals in the US- "we take the bad ones and get them the hell out".    :kaneclap:




Brilliant plan.

Next we can arrest all the criminals so there's no crime.




Unfortunately the criminals have rights under the consitution and cannot be dealt in a swift manner.




The point is you can't just go out and arrest criminals like they're wearing signs around their necks.

Same as illegal immigrants.



so the solution is to ignore the problem! :solidnod:


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22003522 - 07/27/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:


Same as illegal immigrants.




But you can investigate and arrest their employers pretty quickly.  That's how you get this problem solved ASAP.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22003535 - 07/27/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Quote:

Patlal said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Quote:

qman said:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/trump-we-should-work-something-out-illegals-merit_996836.html

Trump on illegals in the US- "we take the bad ones and get them the hell out".    :kaneclap:




Brilliant plan.

Next we can arrest all the criminals so there's no crime.




Unfortunately the criminals have rights under the consitution and cannot be dealt in a swift manner.




The point is you can't just go out and arrest criminals like they're wearing signs around their necks.

Same as illegal immigrants.




"The point is you can't just go out and arrest...illegal immigrants"

Yes you can, they're criminals who broke the law, arrest and deport.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: qman]
    #22003594 - 07/27/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Even if illegals don't have a right to due process everyone else does.  Being brown isn't probable cause.

Going after employers and corrupt immigration agencies would be a good place to start imo.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22003647 - 07/27/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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paperbackwriter said:
Even if illegals don't have a right to due process everyone else does.  Being brown isn't probable cause.

Going after employers and corrupt immigration agencies would be a good place to start imo.




"Being brown isn't probable cause"

Being asked for proper documentation is perfectly fine, it's really not very complicated. 

"Going after employers"

That's the first place to start.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: qman]
    #22003715 - 07/27/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Being asked for proper documentation is perfectly fine, it's really not very complicated. 



it actually is more complicated than that. We aren't required by law to carry around ID here so you'd have to have some probably cause to try and require identification from someone you thought was an illegal.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: qman]
    #22003737 - 07/27/15 10:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If I remember correctly, quite a few courts decided that it was unconstitutional to ask for ID if they suspect you're an Illegal immigrants without any sort of probable cause. I know for a fact that courts in Arizona decided that.

Going around and seeing if someones an illegal immigrant based off of whether they have documentation they've been here is unconstitutional. You can't just go up to a person and ask them for proof they are a citizen. For the people who are citizens, it's just a non needed hassle. And also completely racist, because we all know who's gonna be targeted.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: qman]
    #22003742 - 07/27/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

qman said:
"Being brown isn't probable cause"

Being asked for proper documentation is perfectly fine, it's really not very complicated. 





A cop can ask me for a blowjob, I don't have to give it to them.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Achillita]
    #22003781 - 07/27/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Achillita said:
If I remember correctly, quite a few courts decided that it was unconstitutional to ask for ID if they suspect you're an Illegal immigrants without any sort of probable cause. I know for a fact that courts in Arizona decided that.

Going around and seeing if someones an illegal immigrant based off of whether they have documentation they've been here is unconstitutional. You can't just go up to a person and ask them for proof they are a citizen. For the people who are citizens, it's just a non needed hassle. And also completely racist, because we all know who's gonna be targeted.




You can argue the legalities and constitutionality of the process all you want, if the policy is to remove illegal immigrants it's going to happen.

Remember they broke the law, apprehending criminals is never a easy task and it does sometimes inconvenience US citizens, but it's really no different than tracking down a US criminal.

The most important part of the process is the overwhelming support from the general population, US citizens want their country back.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: qman]
    #22003794 - 07/27/15 10:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

qman said:
Quote:

Achillita said:
If I remember correctly, quite a few courts decided that it was unconstitutional to ask for ID if they suspect you're an Illegal immigrants without any sort of probable cause. I know for a fact that courts in Arizona decided that.

Going around and seeing if someones an illegal immigrant based off of whether they have documentation they've been here is unconstitutional. You can't just go up to a person and ask them for proof they are a citizen. For the people who are citizens, it's just a non needed hassle. And also completely racist, because we all know who's gonna be targeted.




You can argue the legalities and constitutionality of the process all you want, if the policy is to remove illegal immigrants it's going to happen.

Remember they broke the law, apprehending criminals is never a easy task and it does sometimes inconvenience US citizens, but it's really no different than tracking down a US criminal.

The most important part of the process is the overwhelming support from the general population, US citizens want their country back.



while illegal immigration is an issue i'm certainly not ready to turn my country into a "papers please" police state because of it.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22003803 - 07/27/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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paperbackwriter said:
Quote:

qman said:
"Being brown isn't probable cause"

Being asked for proper documentation is perfectly fine, it's really not very complicated. 





A cop can ask me for a blowjob, I don't have to give it to them.




Sounds like you know your legal rights, the goal is to deport illegals, not US citizens.


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