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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: spock]
#21999515 - 07/26/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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What new information is here about Hillary's emails? I don't have cable/dish, so I'm not always up to date with what's going on.
Something about sending 4 emails from her private email that had classified data but she says they were not marked classified. I did not care to really read the articles.
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It's that plus they're finding some emails, apparently that were sent to Hillary that had very sensitive info on them related to Libya from people outside the government (Blumenthal) that never got reported by Hillary. Some guy in Eastern Europe had hacked Blumenthal's email and had screen shots of emails sent about Libya that kind of contradicted Hillary's story. They may even have screenshots of Hillary's email server, who knows.
At any rate, she's in trouble. She withheld information from the the investigation, was dishonest in testimony to Congress and apparently, through Blumenthal, has attempted to cover it all up. They're going to nail her.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21999573 - 07/26/15 11:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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From what I've seen, the media is really downplaying it a lot. Was she legally obligated to report it? They're making it look like the government has nothing on her at all.
This is the first time I've had to go to FOX news (And several other news sources) just to get some idea of the full picture lol.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21999921 - 07/26/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is the first time I've had to go to FOX news (And several other news sources) just to get some idea of the full picture lol.
That's funny. Last time I turned on fox "news" was the last 2 presidential election nights. Loved it.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: spock]
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This is the first time I've had to go to FOX news (And several other news sources) just to get some idea of the full picture lol.
That's funny. Last time I turned on fox "news" was the last 2 presidential election nights. Loved it.
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Lmao!!!
I need to get cable. It's funny, I won't get cable for sports, but for the pessidential election I just might lmao! Now there's entertainment!
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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This is the first time I've had to go to FOX news (And several other news sources) just to get some idea of the full picture lol.
That's funny. Last time I turned on fox "news" was the last 2 presidential election nights. Loved it.
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Lmao!!!
I need to get cable. It's funny, I won't get cable for sports, but for the pessidential election I just might lmao! Now there's entertainment!
Check youtube. it was great. Peace Spock
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: spock]
#22000255 - 07/26/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I hope they nail the bitch good! then the real dem candidates come out.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
#22000306 - 07/26/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I kinda agree. I'd rather Bernie win nomination without that type of help but damn. I actually used to like Hillary back in 2008. And I still think her resume makes her most qualified. But damn.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
#22000359 - 07/26/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Agreed. I loathe that woman. The first woman president should be Elizabeth Warren, not Hillary. I hope Hillary burns for it, but I highly doubt anything will happen to her.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22000524 - 07/26/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was hoping Elizabeth Warren would run. Few but the far left thought she had a chance. I truly love that woman.She is the anti-hillary. I would fear for her safety though. Now seeing the support that Bernie is getting makes me think she would of have a shot. A Bernie and Elizabeth ticket is what I'm hoping for(my dream would be Elizabeth and Bernie).
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: spock]
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This would be a MUCH BETTER TICKET than Hillary + anyone. If there's one candidate that makes me want to vote against the democratic party, it's Hillary. She is everything we don't need more of in America. The pay for play global Clinton operation is disgusting.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22000672 - 07/26/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I liked Bill. A lot. Not everything about him. But our country was in better shape. The difference was visible. I like Obama. A lot. Of course not everything but he was handed a tough job and got no help. Time will judge him more favorably than most see now. And yeah a lot of the hate he has faced is because of race. He lost a lot of respect from me when he continued the patriot act. And I don't understand the tpp push. What I don't understand is what conservatives have against the Clintons.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: spock]
#22000703 - 07/26/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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spock said: I liked Bill. A lot. Not everything about him. But our country was in better shape. The difference was visible. I like Obama. A lot. Of course not everything but he was handed a tough job and got no help. Time will judge him more favorably than most see now. And yeah a lot of the hate he has faced is because of race. He lost a lot of respect from me when he continued the patriot act. And I don't understand the tpp push. What I don't understand is what conservatives have against the Clintons.
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I think a lot of conservatives actually liked Bill's presidency ... he was great for the economy ...you have the social conservatives that got their panties all wadded up over Monica, BJ's and cigars. Clinton was smart ... did a great job of working with Gingrich after he got whacked in 2004 and was very competent. Having said that, I think he made three of the worst decisions in the modern era:
1. NAFTA 2. Repeal of Glass Steagall leading to massive banking de-regulation, ultra leverage and the genesis of the financial breakdown of 08/09 3. Three strikes you're out
Since he left, the growth to the Clinton pay for play operation, to me, is just taking it too far and it's just too blatant. Hillary's completely full of shit, as far as I'm concerned. A serial liar that doesn't have Bill's political chops, smarts or charisma. She's more of a team player, behind the scenes than the executive out front.
I like Obama generally but I think he made some serious mistakes including declining public funds for his campaigns which increased corporate money, not pushing for the single payer option, TPP, escalating troop count in Afghanistan, slow walking the Bush tax cuts way too long and not pushing for a substantial infrastructure rebuild program hard enough. I think he's way too close to corporations like a lot of Presidents have been but he is infinitely better than what we'd have gotten if McInsane got elected.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22000796 - 07/26/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'll tell you what, Bill Clinton is a great conversationalist and speaker. I've watched him dominate Fox news hosts while they were trying hard to stick it to him, while at the same time being friendly and making Chris Wallace smile the whole time, as he called him an asshole to his face! However, the "mistakes" you've outlined are monumental, and his political blunders go beyond those.
Obama has been a poor face for the Democratic party. He campaigned strong, and then turned his back. We never got the transparency he promised (quite the opposite), we never got the healthcare he promised, he continued the wars, he continued the tax cuts, he continued government spying, continued the war on drugs, hasn't done shit for our infrastructure or our ecosystem. How is this a Democratic president?
I will say that he had more opposition than probably any president before him, and I think part of that has to do with him being black. A big part. He also became president during the recession, which is no easy task, and he didn't have the experience to handle things correctly. However, after 8 years of continuing everything Bush (Arguably the worst president we've ever had) did, and even expanding much of it, I don't see how he can call himself a democrat.
This hurts the party, because people lose faith in the party. If Hillary is president, people will throw in the towel on Democrats altogether.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: spock]
#22000871 - 07/26/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So the loony left still loves bill and obumble? No surprises there seeing the D next to their name Clinton is a career criminal, the left like to say it was only the bj's that he did wrong but he did tons wrong. He sold our national defense secrets to the Chinese for cash, let one of them go after he stole the secrets. He sold pardons, the most blatant was to marc rich, a fleeing felon who clearly bought his freedom. I wonder how cheaply bill let him off? He wrote over 100 pardons on his last day alone.
Then there are all the people he had killed, all the lies he told, all the bribes he took. The economy was doing well at that time no thanks to him. What did he ever do to help us? Since then the Clintons have made a cottage industry out of corruption and bribery. Hill sold out the sec of state position and they are still collecting on that. I hope she loses so all those crooks who gave her money will get nothing in return. Ha!
Obumble is such an incompetent fuck that only a loony leftist could like him. What has he ever done right? Gave some speeches, signed some bills, but fucked up everything he touched. Now we have troops in so many countries nobody is sure how many. He is a bigger liar than even Hillary and did the opposite of all he promised. Unless you are deluded enough to think the aca will solve the health care situation. He is allowing the major health insurance companies to merge which always means higher prices. He has allowed many other controversial mergers. Then there is the tpp, spying on us, lying about being transparent, etc etc.
But the sheep like him because he is black and a dem.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
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So, apparently I'm just the left, but not the 'looney left', huh Stoney? ;-)
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said: So the loony left still loves bill and obumble? No surprises there seeing the D next to their name Clinton is a career criminal, the left like to say it was only the bj's that he did wrong but he did tons wrong. He sold our national defense secrets to the Chinese for cash, let one of them go after he stole the secrets. He sold pardons, the most blatant was to marc rich, a fleeing felon who clearly bought his freedom. I wonder how cheaply bill let him off? He wrote over 100 pardons on his last day alone.
Then there are all the people he had killed, all the lies he told, all the bribes he took. The economy was doing well at that time no thanks to him. What did he ever do to help us? Since then the Clintons have made a cottage industry out of corruption and bribery. Hill sold out the sec of state position and they are still collecting on that. I hope she loses so all those crooks who gave her money will get nothing in return. Ha!
Obumble is such an incompetent fuck that only a loony leftist could like him. What has he ever done right? Gave some speeches, signed some bills, but fucked up everything he touched. Now we have troops in so many countries nobody is sure how many. He is a bigger liar than even Hillary and did the opposite of all he promised. Unless you are deluded enough to think the aca will solve the health care situation. He is allowing the major health insurance companies to merge which always means higher prices. He has allowed many other controversial mergers. Then there is the tpp, spying on us, lying about being transparent, etc etc.
But the sheep like him because he is black and a dem.
The most accurate statement I can make about Obama is I thinkMcCain would have been a lot worse. I'll leave it at that.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Mccaine is on the loony right. The main problem with him was he is too much of a hawk. He would have likely gotten us into pointless wars, exactly like what obumble did. On everything else he would have done much better. Bad as mccaine is he would have been better than the turd in office. I doubt he would have spied on us so much.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
#22001107 - 07/26/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well, Trump surges to a commanding lead with 21% support out of a field of what 20 Republicans candidates or something? CNN poll.
Had he been a politician, his political career would have ended 15 minutes into his candidacy speech. But he's not.
People thought he would self destruct or crash and burn or whatever. But looks like he's on fire.
Now they realize that they are gonna have to do something to to either bring him down or rise above him. The thing is, they don't have a clue what to do. Everything you could attack Trump with is his over the top comments, but not only does he refuse to apologize for them, he actually doubles up on them. Every time he is called on sprinkling money to every party he owns up to it and says exactly why without the bullshit.
I've also notice that his speeches are getting better, clearer, less mumbling, less bragging. Its looking up for the guy
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
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I don't think McCain would have been better. McCain would have been just like the Bush's. I think we need someone a bit less establishment.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said: I don't think McCain would have been better. McCain would have been just like the Bush's. I think we need someone a bit less establishment.
I am certain McCain would have gotten us into at least one more BIG ground war and maybe two ... we would definitely be at war with Iran by now and hemorrhaging money on pointless wars like Junior did. McCain was a senile old man in 2008 and he's now 7 more years into his senility ... Hillary is too old as well. I think the presidency needs someone at the top of their game mentally, physically and someone that has real vitality. Hillary does not have this. She is old, tired and her health is iffy at best. Bill doesn't look very good these days either.
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