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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21993902 - 07/25/15 07:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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My opinion doesn't matter.
Which of those did the courts find to be unconstitutional?
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21993936 - 07/25/15 07:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: My opinion doesn't matter.
Which of those did the courts find to be unconstitutional?
I understand your point and it's a safe one to make and easily defensible.
My point is that our courts, which are largely created through the political process, have been taken over, to a large extent by corporate influence and, as such their decisions enable a highly distorted read on what is constitutional or not. Obviously, there's nothing I can do about it, really, and I accept this as part of the way our government works which enables all kinds of sketchy stuff to be interpreted as "constitutional."
The idea that secret courts, with virtually no congressional oversite can make surveillance decisions on law abiding US Citizens that have zero probable cause and are given no due process at all before very personal searches of their interactions and transactions are done ... with no warrants being issued ... That this is constitutional is so far outside the boundaries it is just crystal clear evidence that the constitution has, in many cases, very little influence on what actually goes down in laws and judicial decisions in our modern era.
The foreign influence on our political process, is, IMHO, clearly unconstitutional but will never be challenged for obvious reasons.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21995344 - 07/25/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: My opinion doesn't matter.
Which of those did the courts find to be unconstitutional?
I believe the point made earlier was that Dems have less regard for the constitution than Republicans. What have Dems done that the courts deamed unconstitutional? Nothing.
Republicans seem to ride the line more than Democrats in my opinion. They claim to hate 'big government', but the only big government that is dangerous to citizens is things like the NSA, and militarizing the police. Democrats have tried to demiliratize the police, and Republicans won't have it!
Allen Grayson tried to get basic legislation on he books that would prevent the government from giving nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles and armored tanks to police. Republicans wouldn't have it!
Conservatives only want the most dangerous form of big government possible.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21995396 - 07/25/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Conservatives just don't want government to take their guns or make it difficult for them to be bigots. All other big government ideas are kosher.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: The Ecstatic]
#21995446 - 07/25/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Conservatives just don't want government to take their guns or make it difficult for them to be bigots. All other big government ideas are kosher.
No, they're against social safety net programs also. Which, by the way, they use more frequently, and furthermore almost everyone in America has used one safety net program or another at some point in heir life, bounced back, and occasionally made it into the upper class. Most Americans go through at least one period of poverty in their life.
They're scared of government takeover, but they're against banning police from having tanks, nukes, and ballistic missiles, and all for NSA spying. I swear to god, what an easily shepherded flock of sheep. We'll see how your farmer militia holds up against their armaments.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21995828 - 07/25/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Conservatives just don't want government to take their guns or make it difficult for them to be bigots. All other big government ideas are kosher.
No, they're against social safety net programs also. Which, by the way, they use more frequently, and furthermore almost everyone in America has used one safety net program or another at some point in heir life, bounced back, and occasionally made it into the upper class. Most Americans go through at least one period of poverty in their life.
They're scared of government takeover, but they're against banning police from having tanks, nukes, and ballistic missiles, and all for NSA spying. I swear to god, what an easily shepherded flock of sheep. We'll see how your farmer militia holds up against their armaments.
Also against access to contraception and abortion but then against the needed safety net programs that are an inevitability because of this. In an overpopulated world I wonder what the end game is here. Someone mentioned republicans as evil. Yeah, it really seems so.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21995867 - 07/25/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Conservatives just don't want government to take their guns or make it difficult for them to be bigots. All other big government ideas are kosher.
No, they're against social safety net programs also. Which, by the way, they use more frequently
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Patlal]
#21996278 - 07/25/15 05:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It looks like he will be president no matter what. The people like him and he hasn't even started to advertise yet. He will put out a team of hatchet men who will dig up all the dirt on the Clintons and publicize it. He will advertise himself to death, people will get tired of being clobbered by ads and will vote him in.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
#21996411 - 07/25/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: It looks like he will be president no matter what. The people like him and he hasn't even started to advertise yet. He will put out a team of hatchet men who will dig up all the dirt on the Clintons and publicize it. He will advertise himself to death, people will get tired of being clobbered by ads and will vote him in.
... you think Trump will be president?
Care to put money on that claim?
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
#21996576 - 07/25/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've seen lots of elections bought with money. Why do people think hitlerly is whoring her self so hard getting every dollar she can? Because money determines elections. Trump can spend a billion and saturate the airwaves and fill the newspapers with his story. People will say "is she still running?" because she got elbowed aside by the big bucks.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
#21996668 - 07/25/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: I've seen lots of elections bought with money. Why do people think hitlerly is whoring her self so hard getting every dollar she can? Because money determines elections. Trump can spend a billion and saturate the airwaves and fill the newspapers with his story. People will say "is she still running?" because she got elbowed aside by the big bucks.
Money matters, but it's not the only thing that matters. Bernie is steadily crawling towards Hillary. Her numbers have been dropping, and Bernie's have been doubling every couple months. I think she will probably be the nominee, but it's not set in stone yet.
Trump holds no appeal to the majority of Americans. He's not even leading by that much. USA today poll on the 14th had Trump at 17, Bush at 14, and then everybody else taking 4-6%.
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Only 16 percent of all respondents (not restricted to Republicans or likely Republican primary voters) said they viewed Trump favorably, and an overwhelming 71 percent said they viewed him unfavorably. Only former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, with 51 percent rating him unfavorably (32 percent favorable), and current New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, with 48 percent rating him unfavorably (22 percent favorable), came close to Trump’s level of dislike.
A Quinnipiac national poll conducted around the same time shows similar results: 69 percent view Trump unfavorably, and only 20 percent view him favorably. Monmouth University released a national poll Monday that also shows only 20 percent view Trump favorably.
This is just how people view him, not who they would pick for president. The may view him positively but not pick him for president. Also, those polls were nationwide, and they included democrats and independents.
That's pretty fuckin bad. Hillary Clinton is much better as far as favorability:
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http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/poll-hillary-clinton-unfavorable-numbers-118532.html
However, I do find it strange that the best both parties have to offer are people who don't even hold 50% likeability nationwide.
My point is, the Republican vote is so incredibly divided that he could win the nomination with 15% support from Republicans. That doesn't mean he's the best Republican candidate, or even a good one. He won't win the country! lmao
It's a great PR move for him if he actually gets the nomination, I think. Incredibly in fact..
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21996670 - 07/25/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The democratic candidate will win. I guarantee you that. We will take congress too, I am quite sure.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21996774 - 07/25/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: The democratic candidate will win. I guarantee you that. We will take congress too, I am quite sure.
At first, I really thought the Hillary email situation was going nowhere but now, I think it's pretty serious and has the potential to do some real damage to her. If they open a full blown criminal investigation, she might be forced to drop out. Don't think Bernie or O'Malley have the juice to win.
GOP now has 31 Governors mansions and are making real headway with legislative seats. I don't think this election is a lock. I don't really prefer one party over the other all that much, so I'm not bringing much bias, just trying to be a clear observer of the process.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21996818 - 07/25/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hill-billy will keep on going no matter what happens unless they actually lock her up. I wonder if obumble is tired of the bitch and decided to go after her? Nothing is the way it seems in politics. He had to give her the secretary's position to get her backing in the primary but he doesn't like her. No one does. Vote third party to make a difference.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21996854 - 07/25/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: The democratic candidate will win. I guarantee you that. We will take congress too, I am quite sure.
At first, I really thought the Hillary email situation was going nowhere but now, I think it's pretty serious and has the potential to do some real damage to her. If they open a full blown criminal investigation, she might be forced to drop out. Don't think Bernie or O'Malley have the juice to win.
GOP now has 31 Governors mansions and are making real headway with legislative seats. I don't think this election is a lock. I don't really prefer one party over the other all that much, so I'm not bringing much bias, just trying to be a clear observer of the process.
I think Rand Paul or Scott Walker might have a shot in the general election, but I really think Bernie could take any of them to be honest. If it's Hillary vs a Republican, then I really don't care who wins. It will be a corporatist Republican primary through and through. Hillary should be GOP. She doesn't stand for workers, she stands for corporate greed and deceit.
To be perfectly honest though, even if Trump wins the GOP nomination with 50% of the vote... He's not going to win the general. He could never beat Bernie Sanders, or Hillary.
Honestly, I do think Dems have this election locked down.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21996913 - 07/25/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think Rand Paul or Scott Walker might have a shot in the general election, but I really think Bernie could take any of them to be honest. If it's Hillary vs a Republican, then I really don't care who wins. It will be a corporatist Republican primary through and through. Hillary should be GOP. She doesn't stand for workers, she stands for corporate greed and deceit.
To be perfectly honest though, even if Trump wins the GOP nomination with 50% of the vote... He's not going to win the general. He could never beat Bernie Sanders, or Hillary.
Honestly, I do think Dems have this election locked down.
Hillary is such a d-bag I don't even consider that a democrat victory if she wins. That's a big "L" for the whole country. Same with Jeb. Walker against Bernie would be kinda interesting but Bernie would have a tough time in a lot of the swing states.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21996984 - 07/25/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think Rand Paul or Scott Walker might have a shot in the general election, but I really think Bernie could take any of them to be honest. If it's Hillary vs a Republican, then I really don't care who wins. It will be a corporatist Republican primary through and through. Hillary should be GOP. She doesn't stand for workers, she stands for corporate greed and deceit.
To be perfectly honest though, even if Trump wins the GOP nomination with 50% of the vote... He's not going to win the general. He could never beat Bernie Sanders, or Hillary.
Honestly, I do think Dems have this election locked down.
Hillary is such a d-bag I don't even consider that a democrat victory if she wins. That's a big "L" for the whole country. Same with Jeb. Walker against Bernie would be kinda interesting but Bernie would have a tough time in a lot of the swing states.
Bernie would do good in NH and Iowa. He's even gone down to deep Republican territory and found a lot of support. In Arizona he had the biggest crowd by far of any candidate so far. He had 11,000 present, and over 15,000 if you include the youtube viewers that were live-streaming the event. I think when you're pullin those numbers, it says something, but of course polling data is more significant.
My ideal race would be Rand Paul vs Sanders. I like Rand Paul. I don't agree with him on a lot of things, but I think he has principles, and I think he sticks to them, which counts more than anything for me. Same with Bernie Sanders, though I agree with him on many points.
You know, at the end of the day, I'd rather see Donald Trump leading the Republican race than Ted Cruz, or even Jeb Bush lmao! Though, I think Trump has a slightly greater chance of winning the whitehouse (which isn't saying much) than Jeb.
What new information is here about Hillary's emails? I don't have cable/dish, so I'm not always up to date with what's going on.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21997068 - 07/25/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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What new information is here about Hillary's emails? I don't have cable/dish, so I'm not always up to date with what's going on.
Something about sending 4 emails from her private email that had classified data but she says they were not marked classified. I did not care to really read the articles.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: spock]
#21997945 - 07/26/15 12:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Who do you like in the Super Bowl this season?
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21999088 - 07/26/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: The democratic candidate will win. I guarantee you that. We will take congress too, I am quite sure.
I don't think there's a chance in hell the Dems take Congress, most likely will take the Senate though.
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