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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms said: There are things I think the Dems are better at. Personal liberty comes to mind. It's just that for them, their respect for the constitution seems to only come into play when they agree and they have little trouble shitting on it for what they consider the "greater" good.
Hmm, reminds me of the Patriot Act, and torture without trial. Of course Guantanamo is off of US soil, but it clearly demonstrates that they don't respect the principles of due process.
I am curious what you think the dems have done or advocated that's so unconstitutional. The only thing I can think of that might qualify is gun control.
I'd like to throw this quote from Thomas Jefferson, regarding the constitution, out there also:
"Some men look at constitutions with sanctimonious reverence, and deem them like the arc of the covenant, too sacred to be touched. They ascribe to the men of the preceding age a wisdom more than human, and suppose what they did to be beyond amendment. I knew that age well; I belonged to it, and labored with it. It deserved well of its country. It was very like the present, but without the experience of the present; and forty years of experience in government is worth a century of book-reading; and this they would say themselves, were they to rise from the dead. I am certainly not an advocate for frequent and untried changes in laws and constitutions. I think moderate imperfections had better be borne with; because, when once known, we accommodate ourselves to them, and find practical means of correcting their ill effects. But I know also, that laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths disclosed, and manners and opinions change with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also, and keep pace with the times."
Jefferson himself didn't believe the constitution was so 'infallible' as Republicans claim to believe it is today.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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No one takes a class on how to be a president. If you are a politician you took a few classes where you flashcard memorize bullshit and spit it back out on a test. It's a joke. Many presidents have been ex-military because it's a leadership management position. That is all it is. Trump has the qualifications to be in a senior management position. Plus, I think the first month of being elected they run you through a debriefing and what not. I mean Obama was a community organizer and a not so highly rated professor and got elected solely off one demographic and people thinking he was going to legalize weed.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms said: Nice Patlal, but they don't actually dislike him because they truly believe he's an idiot.
They dislike him (as I'm sure you realize) because he's running as a Republican. Because hey... Republicans are evil. They respect the Constitution, hate the poor and wish they would die, don'tcha know.
Republicans 'respect the constitution'? HAH!
Saying isn't doing, and they say a lot of horse shit. They claim to be the 'family values' party too, while they're all running around chasing hookers lmao!
Republicans gave us the Patriot Act, which I find to be incredibly unconstitutional. What have democrats done that's so unconstitutional? And please don't say the ACA, because that issue has been settled.
I've been paying attention to politics for many years. I'm comfortable sticking with my statement that Republicans respect the constitution more. As well as the rule of law and personal responsibility. That doesn't mean I like them. I find all politicians to be asswipes. That doesn't alter my opinion. There are things I think the Dems are better at. Personal liberty comes to mind. It's just that for them, their respect for the constitution seems to only come into play when they agree and they have little trouble shitting on it for what they consider the "greater" good.
How is the Patriot act (pushed by Republicans) a show of respect for the Constitution? How was the Iraq war invasion a respect of the constitution? How was allowing corporations to take over our political process respect for the constitution.
Don't get me wrong because I don't think democrats are much better, but from my perch, the Republicans talk a good game and then literally wipe their asses with the constitution laughing all the way to the bank.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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I'd like to throw this quote from Thomas Jefferson, regarding the constitution, out there also:
"Some men look at constitutions with sanctimonious reverence, and deem them like the arc of the covenant, too sacred to be touched. They ascribe to the men of the preceding age a wisdom more than human, and suppose what they did to be beyond amendment. I knew that age well; I belonged to it, and labored with it. It deserved well of its country. It was very like the present, but without the experience of the present; and forty years of experience in government is worth a century of book-reading; and this they would say themselves, were they to rise from the dead. I am certainly not an advocate for frequent and untried changes in laws and constitutions. I think moderate imperfections had better be borne with; because, when once known, we accommodate ourselves to them, and find practical means of correcting their ill effects. But I know also, that laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths disclosed, and manners and opinions change with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also, and keep pace with the times."
Jefferson himself didn't believe the constitution was so 'infallible' as Republicans claim to believe it is today.
Really damn good post!
Jefferson would be shocked and deeply disturbed at how both parties have allowed and ENCOURAGED corporations to take over our political process.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
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I think Democrats are generally dirty assholes too, by the way. I am a liberal though, and I like what some of them have to say. That's as good as it gets these days. Also, I respect Ron Paul, and Rand Paul, because they are men with ideals and integrity. I disagree with them on many things (Not everything), but I respectfully disagree.
However, I don't think the right has any claim to 'constitutionalism' over Democrats. They mocked Ron Paul for being a 'constitutionalist' when he ran last in the Primaries. He was the butt of jokes in the Republican party for his 'constitutionalism', to my bewilderment.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said: I think Democrats are generally dirty assholes too, by the way. I am a liberal though, and I like what some of them have to say. That's as good as it gets these days. Also, I respect Ron Paul, and Rand Paul, because they are men with ideals and integrity. I disagree with them on many things (Not everything), but I respectfully disagree.
However, I don't think the right has any claim to 'constitutionalism' over Democrats. They mocked Ron Paul for being a 'constitutionalist' when he ran last in the Primaries. He was the butt of jokes in the Republican party for his 'constitutionalism', to my bewilderment.
Republicans don't give a flying fuck about the constitution. They want to regulate everything ... what you can smoke, who you can have sex with, who can have abortions and they want Corporations to be considered the same as humans and they want to enable the most predatory kind of capitalism possible to compact more wealth in the fewest hands possible. They love pre emptive war, classify everything as top secret and really dig passing laws that allow them to spy on American Citizens.
Their line about being into the constitution is total and complete bullshit.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21991059 - 07/24/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: I think Democrats are generally dirty assholes too, by the way. I am a liberal though, and I like what some of them have to say. That's as good as it gets these days. Also, I respect Ron Paul, and Rand Paul, because they are men with ideals and integrity. I disagree with them on many things (Not everything), but I respectfully disagree.
However, I don't think the right has any claim to 'constitutionalism' over Democrats. They mocked Ron Paul for being a 'constitutionalist' when he ran last in the Primaries. He was the butt of jokes in the Republican party for his 'constitutionalism', to my bewilderment.
Republicans don't give a flying fuck about the constitution. They want to regulate everything ... what you can smoke, who you can have sex with, who can have abortions and they want Corporations to be considered the same as humans and they want to enable the most predatory kind of capitalism possible to compact more wealth in the fewest hands possible. They love pre emptive war, classify everything as top secret and really dig passing laws that allow them to spy on American Citizens.
Their line about being into the constitution is total and complete bullshit.
The left wants to regulate just as much if not more. Both sides want to grow the government they just disagree on where to grow it. For instance as you said the republicans tend to want to have government interference with sex, drugs, church, etc. But the democrats don't believe in personal liberty when it comes to your money, land, personal property, etc. So really they're not much different at all.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: psyconaught]
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Bigbadwooof said: I think Democrats are generally dirty assholes too, by the way. I am a liberal though, and I like what some of them have to say. That's as good as it gets these days. Also, I respect Ron Paul, and Rand Paul, because they are men with ideals and integrity. I disagree with them on many things (Not everything), but I respectfully disagree.
However, I don't think the right has any claim to 'constitutionalism' over Democrats. They mocked Ron Paul for being a 'constitutionalist' when he ran last in the Primaries. He was the butt of jokes in the Republican party for his 'constitutionalism', to my bewilderment.
Republicans don't give a flying fuck about the constitution. They want to regulate everything ... what you can smoke, who you can have sex with, who can have abortions and they want Corporations to be considered the same as humans and they want to enable the most predatory kind of capitalism possible to compact more wealth in the fewest hands possible. They love pre emptive war, classify everything as top secret and really dig passing laws that allow them to spy on American Citizens.
Their line about being into the constitution is total and complete bullshit.
The left wants to regulate just as much if not more. Both sides want to grow the government they just disagree on where to grow it. For instance as you said the republicans tend to want to have government interference with sex, drugs, church, etc. But the democrats don't believe in personal liberty when it comes to your money, land, personal property, etc. So really they're not much different at all.
One thing they both agree on is a setup where the political class can skim, scalp and grift as much money for themselves as possible from the system.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: psyconaught]
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psyconaught The left wants to regulate just as much if not more. Both sides want to grow the government they just disagree on where to grow it. For instance as you said the republicans tend to want to have government interference with sex, drugs, church, etc. But the democrats don't believe in personal liberty when it comes to your money, land, personal property, etc. So really they're not much different at all.
Both sides want regulation, sure. However, I strongly disagree with your list of things the left regulates. If anything both sides have an impact on those things. If anyone is against personal liberty it's Republicans. Democrats want gay rights, women's rights, marijuana rights etc. Republicans don't want any of those things. As I said, the only 'civil liberty' that you can point to that Dems are against is giving guns to felons and severely mentally ill people.
Taxes don't qualify as 'infringing on civil liberties'.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: psyconaught]
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Bigbadwooof said: I think Democrats are generally dirty assholes too, by the way. I am a liberal though, and I like what some of them have to say. That's as good as it gets these days. Also, I respect Ron Paul, and Rand Paul, because they are men with ideals and integrity. I disagree with them on many things (Not everything), but I respectfully disagree.
However, I don't think the right has any claim to 'constitutionalism' over Democrats. They mocked Ron Paul for being a 'constitutionalist' when he ran last in the Primaries. He was the butt of jokes in the Republican party for his 'constitutionalism', to my bewilderment.
Republicans don't give a flying fuck about the constitution. They want to regulate everything ... what you can smoke, who you can have sex with, who can have abortions and they want Corporations to be considered the same as humans and they want to enable the most predatory kind of capitalism possible to compact more wealth in the fewest hands possible. They love pre emptive war, classify everything as top secret and really dig passing laws that allow them to spy on American Citizens.
Their line about being into the constitution is total and complete bullshit.
The left wants to regulate just as much if not more. Both sides want to grow the government they just disagree on where to grow it. For instance as you said the republicans tend to want to have government interference with sex, drugs, church, etc. But the democrats don't believe in personal liberty when it comes to your money, land, personal property, etc. So really they're not much different at all.
It's psyconaught's quote.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Both sides want regulation, sure. However, I strongly disagree with your list of things the left regulates. If anything both sides have an impact on those things. If anyone is against personal liberty it's Republicans. Democrats want gay rights, women's rights, marijuana rights etc. Republicans don't want any of those things. As I said, the only 'civil liberty' that you can point to that Dems are against is giving guns to felons and severely mentally ill people.
Taxes don't qualify as 'infringing on civil liberties'.
The Dems don't want rights for gun owners, proponents of free speech (though this can be argued for both sides), business owners, and really anyone who believes in the bill of rights. See how Ron Paul was mocked for being a constitutionalist.
And why can't taxes be an infringement on civil liberties? I agree the concept of taxation itself isn't, but you would agree there is a sliding scale correct? A 10% income tax might not be an infringement, but i'd say 90% definitely is.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: psyconaught]
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psyconaught said: And why can't taxes be an infringement on civil liberties? I agree the concept of taxation itself isn't, but you would agree there is a sliding scale correct? A 10% income tax might not be an infringement, but i'd say 90% definitely is.
Well, on basic principle, tax code isn't unconstitutional, and also nobody has ever been, or will ever be taxed 90% of their income. The sliding scale is intentional, so yes, there is a sliding scale. Also, it was Eisenhower (Republican) who imposed the 92% marginal tax rate, and he actually pushed for 100%, which would be an income cap, effectively.
I'd like to hear some examples regarding the bill of rights and free speech. I remember Bush creating 'free speech zones', but I don't remember what it was that dems did, please clarify. As far as gun rights, most dems support gun rights, and the only stipulation they want to put on them is that dangerous people are not permitted guns, like people with a history of murder, or schizophrenia.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
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I've got news for you, the dems are just as bad or worse. They grab all the corporate money they can get, look at Clinton for an example. They sell their votes to the highest bidder same as gop. The dems claimed to be against the tpp but enough of them crossed over so it was passed, same with the pat act and everything else. They make a few speeches about how they are against something and then vote in favor of it.
You mention the Iraq war, shrub negotiated an end to it and obumble started it up again. Same with Afghanistan, he won't take no for an answer and bribes the bums over there to let us keep troops and blow up anything that moves. Then there is Syria, yemen, chad and others where we are up to dirty deeds and its the dems who go along with it.
Neither party is worth a crap, the system has to be cleaned up starting with cutting off all forms of bribery.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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I'd like to hear some examples regarding the bill of rights and free speech. I remember Bush creating 'free speech zones', but I don't remember what it was that dems did, please clarify.
Obama has perhaps the most opaque administration in the history of the country. He's been waging a war on whistleblowers and the dragnet information gathering operations have expanded vastly under his control.
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As far as gun rights, most dems support gun rights, and the only stipulation they want to put on them is that dangerous people are not permitted guns, like people with a history of murder, or schizophrenia.
also false, we can take overtly Democrat states like california and see what they have done with guns; They've banned large varieties of firearms and firearm accessories, they are also constantly trying to ban more.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
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Of the 37 people who voted against he TPP, 4 were Republicans, and Paul and Cruz were 2 of those 4. They are more Tea Party than Republican. It was virtually unanimous on the Republican side.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: psyconaught]
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Do you not understand the concept of 'marginal tax rates'? My statement was not false. Also, Eisenhower had the highest top marginal tax rate, and he was GOP.
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I'd like to hear some examples regarding the bill of rights and free speech. I remember Bush creating 'free speech zones', but I don't remember what it was that dems did, please clarify.
Obama has perhaps the most opaque administration in the history of the country. He's been waging a war on whistleblowers and the dragnet information gathering operations have expanded vastly under his control.
Regardless, the programs were created by Republicans. Are you saying he created them? If anything they are equally guilty, but Dems are certainly not 'more guilty' of infringing on free speech.
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As far as gun rights, most dems support gun rights, and the only stipulation they want to put on them is that dangerous people are not permitted guns, like people with a history of murder, or schizophrenia.
also false, we can take overtly Democrat states like california and see what they have done with guns; They've banned large varieties of firearms and firearm accessories, they are also constantly trying to ban more.
How about a Liberal state like Vermont that has no gun control laws? California has incredible problems with gun violence, so of course they are going to try to curb the murder rate. Generally speaking, Democrats only want to limit access to guns by violent criminals and mentally ill folks.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Donald Trump Surges To Commanding Lead In Post-McCain Backlash Poll
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While his favorability rating took a hit, a new poll shows that Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump’s comments about Senator Sen. John McCain (R-AZ)’s war record are not the silver bullet many in the GOP and media hoped. A YouGov poll taken after Trump’s ill-considered remarks show his support among Republican voters has surged by double digits and well-ahead of Scott Walker and Jeb Bush, his two closest competitors.
During the week of July 4-6, Trump was in first place, with 15% choosing the billionaire businessman over the rest of the field. Bush sat at 11%, which tied with Kentucky Senator Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) 93% . The latest poll was taken between the 18th and 20th. Two of those days occurred after Trump’s McCain comments. Regardless, Trump not only held on to first place, he surged to 28% support. Bush came in second with just 14%. Walker came in third with 13%.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/24/donald-trump-surges-in-post-mccain-backlash-poll/
People and organizations who keep repeating Trump is "pompous" "rude" "disqualified" "bufoon" etc etc.. need to ask themselves some questions:
Why in the face of this overwhelmingly negative media and inter-party onslaught does he keep surging?
This should not be happening.
Should you perhaps, start rethinking your own assumptions?
Might you not know as much as you think you know about the times we are living in?
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
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KauaiOrca said: How is the Patriot act (pushed by Republicans) a show of respect for the Constitution? How was the Iraq war invasion a respect of the constitution? How was allowing corporations to take over our political process respect for the constitution.
Which of those did the courts find to be unconstitutional?
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21993880 - 07/25/15 07:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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KauaiOrca said: How is the Patriot act (pushed by Republicans) a show of respect for the Constitution? How was the Iraq war invasion a respect of the constitution? How was allowing corporations to take over our political process respect for the constitution.
Which of those did the courts find to be unconstitutional?
In your opinion, the Patriot Act is constitutional and not a violation of our 4th amendment rights? Article 1, Section 9, clause 8, IMHO, places much more restrictions on what a global multi national corporation should be doing in terms of funding campaigns, lobbying, and influencing policy than is currently happening.
Certainly presenting falsified or misleading intel to Congress in order to lead the country into a war would be seen as illegal as well and perhaps an international war crime.
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