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...I saw a report on CNN claiming that he is actually cashing in off this whole thing, and has made quite a bit of money....
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Patlal]
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How about you write down a decent contract that will hold up in court should anything happen?
New York is a verbal contract state. I have never had a problem in NY. Because I can recognize scumbags in one note. Even if you have an ironclad contract you are still fucked if you have to file a lien. We did win our suit in CT. It was a Pyrrhic victory.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said: Maybe he wanted to end the cold war, it could be. I see no actions on his part supporting that theory but it could be. Krushchev on the other hand did many things that suggest the opposite, the Cuban missile thing being the most obvious.
The various agencies in our militaries have enormous influence in pushing Presidents in one direction or another. It's very complicated. PR, analysis, global media focus, etc.
JFK was deeply suspicious of the CIA, FBI and the US Military in general in terms of the same things that Ike talked about regarding the MIC and it's self interest.
Kruschev was effectively exiled shortly after Kennedy was killed. I find that to be an interesting fact. A coincidence, perhaps, but i doubt it.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
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They probably didn't like the fact he pushed a situation and then backed down. It cost his country prestige. Krushchev was the one that banged on the table with his shoe in the un. A clown like trump.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said: They probably didn't like the fact he pushed a situation and then backed down. It cost his country prestige. Krushchev was the one that banged on the table with his shoe in the un. A clown like trump.
Nonetheless, it is interesting that the two heads of the two most powerful nations on earth were both removed from power aggressively within months of one another. Name another time in recent history when this happened?
Kennedy HATED how the various agencies in the Federal Government were pushing a confrontational agenda against the USSR and felt the conflict between the US an USSR was being exaggerated for self interests of those in the MIC of both countries. He was trying to do something about it. There is enough evidence that Kruschev and Kennedy were secretly attempting to work together on the space project which very well may have had something to do with other "concerns" about what's really out there in "space."
If there truly is a UFO/Alien "problem" on our planet, it might provide a lot of details that make some of the geo political "mysteries" more clear.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Stonehenge said: They probably didn't like the fact he pushed a situation and then backed down. It cost his country prestige. Krushchev was the one that banged on the table with his shoe in the un. A clown like trump.
Nonetheless, it is interesting that the two heads of the two most powerful nations on earth were both removed from power aggressively within months of one another. Name another time in recent history when this happened?
Kennedy HATED how the various agencies in the Federal Government were pushing a confrontational agenda against the USSR and felt the conflict between the US an USSR was being exaggerated for self interests of those in the MIC of both countries. He was trying to do something about it. There is enough evidence that Kruschev and Kennedy were secretly attempting to work together on the space project which very well may have had something to do with other "concerns" about what's really out there in "space."
If there truly is a UFO/Alien "problem" on our planet, it might provide a lot of details that make some of the geo political "mysteries" more clear. It is interesting that Truman, in 1952, was the only President to ever address the issue in a serious way. An issue so big, so important and so consequential and only one short comment by a US President.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
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There is nothing unexplained by kru's departure. He committed the ussr to an action, the world was watching and he ended up with nothing, no concessions, no missiles nothing. When you screw up that bad over there you pay a price. JFK screwed up equally bad with bay of pigs but didn't pay till much later. There were other reasons too of course, you don't mess with the mafia like that. They would have taken him out one way or another even if the cia didn't help.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said: There were other reasons too of course, you don't mess with the mafia like that. They would have taken him out one way or another even if the cia didn't help.
I think you are crediting way, way too much power, certainly at the Federal level, to the Mafia. No doubt they had huge influence in more local levels of government, particularly at the city government level, but in terms of being able to pull of a coordinated hit on a President, no way. Nor would they attempt it as that would create an existential threat to them. Why would they want to bring that much heat on themselves?
Bringing the mafia into the narrative is CLASSIC CIA cover up strategy. Was Jack Ruby and the mafia used by the CIA to take out LHO? Obviously, yes. And, it served the dual purpose of creating another "possible" narrative to point away from the CIA. The CIA thinks through layers and layers of cover stories for their most covert activities so the fingers don't end up pointing at them. The key is to have as many plausible "theories" of what "might" have happened that the real mystery is unsolvable.
The CIA took out Kennedy. Why else would a guy like Howard Hunt be there, on the scene? I've never heard a single plausible explanation for his presence there, in Dallas on that day.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Agreed that the cia played a major role and a role by hoover as well. But the mafia were prominent in that, according to the most reliable sources, they hired the guns from Europe, promised them payment in drugs which they preferred anyway, and then murdered them in s America to leave the trail good and cold.
The mafia is well known to have people killed on a regular basis just over money owed or even an insult. Whether they could have pulled it off without participation by the other parties or not, I don't know. You may be correct in that they would have failed or that they would have killed him but gotten caught or perhaps killed fleeing. It certainly greased the rails for them having allies in high places.
Its interesting that someone recently compared jfk with obumble. They both were incompetent leaders, dishonest as hell. Mr 'at war in 5 countries' obumble is seen as a "peace president"??? If that isn't obvious trolling I would like to see a better example. No body is that insane so he must be just trolling us.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
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Its interesting that someone recently compared jfk with obumble. They both were incompetent leaders, dishonest as hell. Mr 'at war in 5 countries' obumble is seen as a "peace president"??? If that isn't obvious trolling I would like to see a better example. No body is that insane so he must be just trolling us.
Our Presidents are corporate PR Spokespeople and Obama is just one of a long line of globalism, corporatism pushing Presidents going back to Truman, at least in the modern era. Truman set the rails for the modern US takeover of government by corporations and with the possible exception of JFK, every President has fallen in line.
Obama resists the MIC a bit more than most and he pays a heavy price for it in terms of PR. He is nowhere near a incompetent as GWB was and the GOP's beloved Reagan was responsible for HELPING Saddam build his huge chemical WMD chemical weapons supplies.
Obama is trying to keep America out of another huge ground war, is pushing The Saudis, Turks and Egyptians to take the lead role in fighting Sunni extremism and it's a very painful PR price he pays. All presidents lie … a lot. That's part of the job description.
I'm no Obama fan, but I was no GWB, Clinton, GHWB or Reagan fan either. I'm convinced Kennedy was planning a MAJOR disclosure at some point in his presidency and the corporate MIC power structure got wind of it … and that existential threat to them was eliminated.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
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You always have some good points so i'll just go straight to the parts where you are wrong.
>Obama resists the MIC a bit more than most and he pays a heavy price for it in terms of PR.
What is mic? men in charge? Whatever. He stands up verbally to isreal a little bit but behind the scenes he gives them almost everything they want.
>Obama is trying to keep America out of another huge ground war, is pushing The Saudis, Turks and Egyptians to take the lead role in fighting Sunni extremism
So the road to peace is through starting or continuing war and usa presence in multiple countries? Since when is it our job to fight any extremism be it sunni, Zionist, imperialist, or other? "not my job" will have to be the answer to the bat sign from now on.
>GWB... Reagan
Obumble, jfk, carter.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
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As for obumble's competence, just look at the aca, his signature piece of legislation. His crowning triumph according to the media. Unless it flops then it will be mentioned that the original idea came from someone else...
Keystone pipeline? The moonbat can't even make a decision yes or no. He has jerked off Canada, one of our major trading partners, for years now dragging his feet, waiting for reports that mysteriously took super long to get, then when he had no more excuses, he ... does nothing. Has not given an answer and seems determined not to give one before he gets shown the door.
OK, we got the aca and keystone. How about solyndra, cost the taxpayers in excess of $500M and it was just a payoff to a supporter with no real check into the company's legitimacy. There are many other scandals, stuff going way beyond lying.
JFK? I was fed the same story, I bought it when I was young but in my old age I found holes in the story. He was a media darling and a liberal dem of course. What about his involvement with Marilyn Monroe? I'm not saying just the infidelity of it, though at the time it was considered a big deal. I'm talking about her death just after she indicated she would go public with the affair. I do not buy honking big coincidences like that. Not when the one with the motive to do it also has the means to do it. Maybe that was one of the favors the mafia did for him expecting him to keep his word. Funny how the far left loves liars.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
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Obama is an incompetent. And he isn't trying to do anything to benefit this country. 1) He is pulling these crap deals--ie the Iran deal that has no teeth, no sanctions, nothing--to build his own 'legacy' he wants what he wants. He is the 21st Century Neville Chamberlain, except he is more disingenuous than Chamberlain.
2) Obama isn't trying to keep us out of wars. He is trying to stall until he is out of office and let the fucking mess become someone elses problems. That's why the ridiculous prosecution of the war in Iraq--a handul of 'advisors'which is nothing but some targets. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a few captured US 'advisors' get burned alive or something on TV by ISIS before he leaves office. Now, he is doing zero.
Now, Donald Trump. OK, he said some good things about the idiots in Washington. But he is very flaky, wish-washy, and has in the past had tendencies to flip flop. I think he has had his say for this election cycle. Other than calling out the BS in Washington, he is a Blowhard and a Braggart also, especially about his money. He isn't the right guy.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: starfire_xes]
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Of course he isn't the right guy. The last thing we need right now is to put a billionaire in charge of the government! They already have indirect control of the government, and that's too much as it is!
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said: Of course he isn't the right guy. The last thing we need right now is to put a billionaire in charge of the government! They already have indirect control of the government, and that's too much as it is!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Exactly! As people argue about their silly fears of Government "taking over" everything including business, what has really happened is that corporations and the wealthiest class have already taken over government.
Trump speaks for the "angry as hell and we're not going to take it anymore" white crowd. Most of us sense that government is totally and completely unresponsive to the voters needs and simply panders for votes. That, however, doesn't mean Donald Trump is the answer. You need a coalition to govern and no one from either party would be cooperative with him.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
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What is mic? men in charge? Whatever. He stands up verbally to isreal a little bit but behind the scenes he gives them almost everything they want.
MIC = "Military Industrial Complex" which is a term that Eisenhower used to describe what he saw as a takeover of of Government power by a sprawling corporate economic force made up of energy, banking and defense contracting companies that had way too much influence. This was Ike's farewell speech and it was obviously one of his biggest concerns. Kennedy talked about this at length as well and spoke with amazing clarity about the threat of all the secret agencies on our government.
We had three presidents … Truman > Ike > Kennedy … that spoke about UFO's, secret agencies and the MIC and took it all very seriously and then, after that, hardly any mention at all. Why is this? I believe it's because most, if not all, of the super secret military stuff was OUTSOURCED to private corporations because the 'threat" of a constantly changing political class with the secrets and information at the highest level was simply too high. The super secret research is not controlled by the government anymore, but by private groups that have motives we might find quite repulsive.
Kennedy IMHO, was about transparency and disclosure. He was going to pull the covers off of the entire MIC, space program and UFO cover up and that just wasn't allowed. Since his assassination, it's just been one obedient corporate controlled president after another.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
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>Kennedy IMHO, was about transparency and disclosure. He was going to pull the covers off of the entire MIC, space program and UFO cover up and that just wasn't allowed.
Lol, the mic has been talked about for decades, no covers on that. There is no cover up of the space program, covering up what? UFO's is another subject. What makes you think he knew any more than the rest of us about that?
> The super secret research is not controlled by the government anymore, but by private groups that have motives we might find quite repulsive.
Anyone can fund their own research. Are you saying govt no longer does any research? I think they do.
If trump said he will run as an independent if he doesn't get the nomination, that is the best news the dems ever heard. Hitlerly must have danced in glee when she heard that. Now if she can keep that pesky sanders down she will be a walk over. 4 more years of the evil twins? Shudder!
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
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Lol, the mic has been talked about for decades, no covers on that. There is no cover up of the space program, covering up what? UFO's is another subject. What makes you think he knew any more than the rest of us about that?
It was under Truman's administration that some radical changes in government were started. Groups like the CIA and the covert operations that brought Nazi Scientists here and hid their research efforts created the need for far more compartmentalized government to protect these super secrets. At the same time, there was an absolute explosion of UFO activity, sightings, reports, no doubt related to our Nuclear Weapons progress. This stuff was NEW and Presidents Truman, Ike and probably Kennedy were fully briefed on it and were included in the secrets. Ike knew it was toxic and spoke aggressively about it, but I think Kennedy wanted to end the secrecy and was taken out because of it and dozens of cover stories including Cuba, the Mafia, Russia, etc. were manufactured to throw everyone off the trail.
> The super secret research is not controlled by the government anymore, but by private groups that have motives we might find quite repulsive.
Anyone can fund their own research. Are you saying govt no longer does any research? I think they do.
Does "everyone" have access to recovered alien crafts and all that technology that might be millions of years ahead of our current technology? As time passed, these super secret compartmentalized elements of government became more and more privatized and fewer and fewer elected politicians remained that knew anything about it until we get to where are now, where virtually no elected politicians know what's going on. Reagan and Clinton were absolutely OBSESSED with getting the full story on the UFO picture and Clinton/Podesta both admitted they were completely stonewalled when they tried to find out the truth. Many around Reagan said he did get some answers and was the last president that got the full briefing. GHWB probably already knew as he headed the CIA in 1976 and his family was intimately involved in bringing the Nazi scientists over to the US covertly)
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
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>Groups like the CIA and the covert operations that brought Nazi Scientists here and hid their research efforts created the need for far more compartmentalized government to protect these super secrets.
Those programs have been discussed ad nauseum. No secrets there unless you think they have super science they are keeping secret? There is no profit in keeping it secret.
>This stuff was NEW and Presidents Truman, Ike and probably Kennedy were fully briefed on it and were included in the secrets.
We just discussed how jfk did not trust those departments and they did not trust him.
> I think Kennedy wanted to end the secrecy and was taken out because of it
Now you are drifting out into space. JFK had real enemies who had real reasons to kill him. The mob's involvement is undisputable, look at ruby just for example. Mobsters on their deathbeds confirmed it. Non existent secrets had nothing to do with it. Anything so big as you imagine would be leaked in no time. By a low level employee if nothing else. Govt is among the worst at keeping secrets. We can't even keep the Chinese from hacking us.
>Does "everyone" have access to recovered alien crafts and all that technology that might be millions of years ahead of our current technology? As time passed, these super secret compartmentalized elements of government became more and more privatized and fewer and fewer elected politicians remained that knew anything about it until we get to where are now, where virtually no elected politicians know what's going on.
So the pres has no idea what is going on? Who does then? Must be thousands of people at least. Or maybe they killed everyone who knew and then committed suicide to keep the secret? There is not a shred of evidence to support that. I saw the alien autopsy and it looked real. We may have alien bodies, may have the remains of a space craft. But imagine primitive people from even 1000 years ago with an airplane that crashed. What are the chances of duplicating it? How about people from 1 million years ago who had only primitive tools?
Any secrets derived from aliens would immediately be put into use. They could always say govt scientists discovered it. Nope, not a scintilla of evidence to support that theory.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
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Those programs have been discussed ad nauseum. No secrets there unless you think they have super science they are keeping secret? There is no profit in keeping it secret.
>This stuff was NEW and Presidents Truman, Ike and probably Kennedy were fully briefed on it and were included in the secrets.
We just discussed how jfk did not trust those departments and they did not trust him.
> I think Kennedy wanted to end the secrecy and was taken out because of it
Now you are drifting out into space. JFK had real enemies who had real reasons to kill him. The mob's involvement is undisputable, look at ruby just for example. Mobsters on their deathbeds confirmed it. Non existent secrets had nothing to do with it. Anything so big as you imagine would be leaked in no time. By a low level employee if nothing else. Govt is among the worst at keeping secrets. We can't even keep the Chinese from hacking us.
>Does "everyone" have access to recovered alien crafts and all that technology that might be millions of years ahead of our current technology? As time passed, these super secret compartmentalized elements of government became more and more privatized and fewer and fewer elected politicians remained that knew anything about it until we get to where are now, where virtually no elected politicians know what's going on.
So the pres has no idea what is going on? Who does then? Must be thousands of people at least. Or maybe they killed everyone who knew and then committed suicide to keep the secret? There is not a shred of evidence to support that. I saw the alien autopsy and it looked real. We may have alien bodies, may have the remains of a space craft. But imagine primitive people from even 1000 years ago with an airplane that crashed. What are the chances of duplicating it? How about people from 1 million years ago who had only primitive tools?
Any secrets derived from aliens would immediately be put into use. They could always say govt scientists discovered it. Nope, not a scintilla of evidence to support that theory.
I think the super secret stuff was outsourced a long time ago to privately held corporations that have been profiting off that research with all kinds of products for decades. It is, no doubt, a piece of the equation of how all that super secret government stuff is funded off the books and away from Congressional eyes.
There are some, like myself, that do not think the government has the right or authority to keep a secret as consequential as the Alien Presence from the American public. There is overwhelming evidence that the government is covering this up and that a number of crafts have been taken down, crashed and recovered. To call the Alien presence on our planet a "military secret" is outrageous. The implications are so massive in terms of who we are, where we come from and our place in the universe that no "class of people" have the right to own that secret and, no doubt, profit from it.
-------------------- "The universe is endless, limitless and infinite. Any effort to define it's boundaries is an attempt to overcome ignorance. We are physical, mental and spiritual beings ... there is no beginning and there is no end. There is only memory. Our repeated loss of memory experiences create the illusion of beginnings and ends. Immortality is the ability to retain full memory through all consciousness transformations. Loss of memory is man's greatest curse and, in very real terms, death." -- Ancient Taoist Master
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