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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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No one should have to explain admiring JFK. Forget everything but this:
In his three short years as president, he saved not one person, not one U.S. State, not one Nation, but humanity Itself not once, but TWICE.
Once in the Cuban Missle Crisis where he averted a nuclear WWIII with the Soviet Union, then again when he sent us to the moon: the first step to another world. Otherwise one random meteor could end life on Earth. We just need to finish the job he started.
On that basis alone, he deserves the respect and gratitude of every single person on this planet.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: zorbman]
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He is surely responsible in no small way for the NASA we all admire today.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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The world would be a much different place today if JFK would have been able to serve as president for 8 full years. MUCH different and likely better. He was eager and committed to de-tangling the top levels of government from the control and influence of the various corporations, secret/hidden societies, MIC forces, etc. that run/influence our government today. LBJ, who replaced him, went in the exact opposite direction and every president since has been just another corporate PR spokesperson for the global government that is unelected and largely unknown to the general voting public.
JFK knew the score, tried to change it and was removed from power.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: zorbman]
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zorbman said: No one should have to explain admiring JFK. Forget everything but this:
In his three short years as president, he saved not one person, not one U.S. State, not one Nation, but humanity Itself not once, but TWICE.
Once in the Cuban Missle Crisis where he averted a nuclear WWIII with the Soviet Union, then again when he sent us to the moon: the first step to another world. Otherwise one random meteor could end life on Earth. We just need to finish the job he started.
On that basis alone, he deserves the respect and gratitude of every single person on this planet.
He saved humanity by imposing a naval blockade that made krushchev pull back the missiles? That is a prime example of hypobole. He could not do nothing, he had a range of options from pure diplomacy to sending bombers over to take them out. Most anything besides just talk would have done the job.
Why did Russia think they could get away with something like that? Because he wimped out on the bay of pigs, something you kool aid drinkers never mention. Kennedy and of course woof blame the previous administration. Yes, it was eisenhour's idea, kennedy did not have to go forward with it, eisenhour was gop, kennedy was a dem. In any case, he signed off on it and directed it, was responsible for it.
He wimped out from the beginning cutting back air support. Instead of taking out the Cuban air ports and aircraft, the reduced attacking force failed in its mission and the Cuban air force chopped the invaders to bits. There were 1300 invaders vs 200,000 Cuban troops and kennedy sent only 8 airplanes and no usa troops at all. If you want to win you go at it all the way, you don't do it half assed. No wonder krushchev thought he could put missiles on cuba.
He "sent us to the moon"??? I think maybe nasa had something to do with it. He made a speech and continued funding which had already been in progress.
> Otherwise one random meteor could end life on Earth
You are hyperventilating.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said: He is surely responsible in no small way for the NASA we all admire today.
I think there is very credible evidence that both Kennedy and Kruschev wanted to end the intense conflict between the USSR and USA that they felt their militaries were both pushing on them and they were trying to establish direct communication with no go-betweens through a joint space program … that was nixed … and, of course, both Kruschev and Kennedy were removed from power within months of one another.
There was a lot of money involved in the cold war and a lot of turf protection for the agencies, corporations and decision making authorities that managed all that "defense."
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21959796 - 07/18/15 09:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Decades of media hype has made everyone think kennedy was a great leader when he was mediocre at best. He sent usa planes to cuba for bay of pigs, why did he cut back the number requested by the cia and why no usa troops? He guaranteed failure and sent all those men to their deaths or life in prison. They were promised full support and never got it. Who in their right mind would think 1300 volunteers could defeat 200,000 regular army troops with full air support? Its insane.
He damaged our reputation and made us look like chumps. NASA was founded in 1958, btw, kennedy had nothing to do with that. It was eisenhour who started nasa, and who was 20x as good a president but since he was gop, the moonbat media does not give him his due but instead has brainwashed the public that everything good was because of kennedy. Sending over 1000 people to sure death or prison is not my idea of a great leader. We could have taken out castro if he had done what the cia wanted but noooooooooooooo
He made some speeches, signed some bills, fucked up bad and did one or two things right. This is all it takes to be a great president? Then all our presidents were great and many were far better than kennedy. Throw off your conditioning and look at the facts with an unbiased eye.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
#21961586 - 07/18/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The media doesn't really talk about Eisenhower, because it was so long ago, but he is generally viewed in a very good light. Eisenhower was a great general, who stood for workers rights, and reinforced the social safety net. He and Obama are the only two presidents to have actually won by campaigning on a message of peace. Eisenhower would be considered a left-wing radical socialist nazi by today's GOP standards. It's crazy how fringe the right wing has gotten.
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Stonehenge said: He made some speeches, signed some bills, fucked up bad and did one or two things right. This is all it takes to be a great president? Then all our presidents were great and many were far better than kennedy. Throw off your conditioning and look at the facts with an unbiased eye.
Look, you can hold whatever view you like of Kennedy, he was only president for 3 years, and that's really not much time to do anything. Yet, he did do a lot of good, and he didn't manage to destroy America like Reagan. I am quite fond of his message, and I think his stance on transparency is probably what got him killed. Would you disagree? Or is that the only conspiracy theory you won't get behind! lol
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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I actually have done quite a bit of research on the JFK assassination. I've concluded he was either targeted by the CIA, or by the mafia. But I'd back the CIA assassinating him more.
They had plenty of motive, and means. I think Oswald was set up or at least a decoy. And that's why he was killed right after being arrested.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Achillita]
#21962237 - 07/18/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'd honestly make a great president.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Achillita]
#21962247 - 07/18/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Agreed. JFK double crossed too many people including the mafia. Hoover hated him, the cia hated him for botching the bay of pigs. It could have been a big triumph for usa but he did an obumble and mucked it up. His dad was in with the mafia and made promises on his behalf which he did not keep. You make that many enemies and you will go down. Oswald was a patsy
As for trump, he is good for a laugh but all can do is guarantee hitlery wins. A tired old pol like jeb might win but not a clown like trump. He is having fun and making money at the same time. No wonder so many are jealous.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
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Jebb could never win, period. Rand, maybe, and that's a big maybe.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21962443 - 07/18/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Do any of you realize how much money this presidential bid has made for the man already? He is not just running but in the lead for the nomination. That kind of publicity can be turned into many billion$ and will. Win, lose or draw, trump comes out ahead on this one. He may overtake gates.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
#21962586 - 07/18/15 09:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't know how much money he's made. I only know of a couple instances where his remarks have hurt him. Though he may get a lawsuit out of it. It's all bullshit. Real work isn't even how money is made anymore. The values in our society are so fucked up.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said: Do any of you realize how much money this presidential bid has made for the man already? He is not just running but in the lead for the nomination. That kind of publicity can be turned into many billion$ and will. Win, lose or draw, trump comes out ahead on this one. He may overtake gates.
Are you kidding?
He stands to lose a quarter of a billion dollars alone from NBC cancelling his TV show. His sponsors and affiliates are dropping like flies.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: zorbman]
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Stonehenge said: Do any of you realize how much money this presidential bid has made for the man already? He is not just running but in the lead for the nomination. That kind of publicity can be turned into many billion$ and will. Win, lose or draw, trump comes out ahead on this one. He may overtake gates.
Are you kidding?
He stands to lose a quarter of a billion dollars alone from NBC cancelling his TV show. His sponsors and affiliates are dropping like flies.
...I saw a report on CNN claiming that he is actually cashing in off this whole thing, and has made quite a bit of money....
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Achillita]
#21963774 - 07/19/15 08:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Achillita said: I actually have done quite a bit of research on the JFK assassination. I've concluded he was either targeted by the CIA, or by the mafia. But I'd back the CIA assassinating him more.
They had plenty of motive, and means. I think Oswald was set up or at least a decoy. And that's why he was killed right after being arrested.
I've looked into it a lot too and it's a classic CIA operation. They had layers and layers of narratives and cover stories and got the mafia involved as just another layer if they needed it. The whole point was to generate so many angles and possibilities that no one could ever really pin it down. The fact remains Oswald was far more than a "lone wolf" and that story is utterly ludicrous. The fact that the CIA had Howard Hunt, an assassin in Dallas on that day is pretty incriminating, given the CIA has no responsibility at all to protect the President and the Secret Service would never ever allow a guy like Hunt anywhere near Kennedy. Hunt admitted involvement in a CIA operation to kill Kennedy on his death bed.
Anyway, the MIC hated Kennedy for about a dozen reasons and had plenty of motive and, of course, the direction LBJ took the country is clear evidence that the killing of Kennedy was a real turning point to a new direction.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21963850 - 07/19/15 08:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Absolutely correct. Just for example, the zapruder film clearly shows jfk was hit from in front and Oswald was behind him. Any fool can look at it and see that. Luckily for us we have the film or the liars would carry the day. What is interesting is the attempts to ignore the film and still claim it was from behind. I've seen so called experts testify that its possible it came from behind saying jfk jerked his head back in a muscular reaction as he was hit. Why then the jet of material going backward? Why then a gaping exit wound in back and a small hole in front?
Since he was shot from the front, the story line about Oswald being the lone killer is obviously false. There was lots of other evidence too which was overlooked. Witnesses heard shots coming from the "grassy knoll" ahead of the kennedy car. People heard shots whizzing overhead including veterans who had been under fire and knew very well what it sounded like. Hoover aided in covering up evidence of that, another witness said people came out and looked at a bullet mark on the curb, cut out the section and took it away. It vanished and no one knows what happened to it.
The mafia connection is clearly evident too. Ruby, the hitman of Oswald had mafia connections and owed them money. Most likely a deal was made for him to do the job in exchange for them not killing him and his family. Better to be in prison than dead and his family is spared. The media pushed the lone wolf scenario relentlessly and has gotten worse since then.
BTW, woof, hoover was the head of the fbi.
JFK thought the ss would protect him and that there was nothing his enemies could do about it. Power went to his head. Most people don't know it but the mafia is what got him into the white house. They not only gave a lot of money but also boots on the ground and logistical support. Anyone that needed intimidation, the job was done. Of course the dems stole as many votes as they could and it still was razor thin. The mafia put him in and he welched on his promises big time.
But he made some nice sounding speeches, had a nice smile, a nice wife and kid so the media made him into a demigod and the sheep ate it up. His worthless brother pulled many of the same tricks and got his too.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said: Most people don't know it but the mafia is what got him into the white house. They not only gave a lot of money but also boots on the ground and logistical support. Anyone that needed intimidation, the job was done. Of course the dems stole as many votes as they could and it still was razor thin. The mafia put him in and he welched on his promises big time.
But he made some nice sounding speeches, had a nice smile, a nice wife and kid so the media made him into a demigod and the sheep ate it up. His worthless brother pulled many of the same tricks and got his too.
I've seen enough evidence to be convinced that JFK believed that the militaries and secret agencies both in the US and USSR were pushing the cold war hard for their own self interest and Kennedy wanted it to stop and so did Kruschev. I think the two of them were hatching a plan to really change the situation, both got caught and both were removed from power at virtually the same time. JFK and RFK did not trust Hoover, the CIA or any of the other secret agencies and that was the real conflict. It's hard to say if he would have become a great president if he had two terms, but one thing is for sure, if he and Kruschev had remained in power, the cold war would never gotten as "heated" as it did.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Maybe he wanted to end the cold war, it could be. I see no actions on his part supporting that theory but it could be. Krushchev on the other hand did many things that suggest the opposite, the Cuban missile thing being the most obvious.
JFK did not get killed because he wanted to end the cold war or because he didn't trust the cia. He was killed for the reasons I gave plus perhaps some we don't even know about. We do know he promised things (reportedly) to the mafia, and the mafia gave him major support. We also know he just barely won so the mafia was the big difference. Reportedly, the deal involved going easy on mafia activity but Robert did the opposite. They did not blame the ag, they blamed his boss. Just as we should blame obumble for the drug raids and not the flunkies in charge of the agencies.
It may be his distrust of the cia is what made him disregard their advice on bay of pigs. Once again we see an amateur overruling experts in the field. His stupid actions lead directly to defeat and cost the cia and our country a lot of credibility. I'm not sure exactly why hoover hated him but there is no doubt a story behind that. Kennedy was about as good at keeping his promises as obumble, in other words, not good at all.
How could anyone in their right mind think 1300 volunteers could defeat an army of 200,000 that had just gotten done beating batista? Plus the fact that the secret invasion was publicized well in advance. He should have either called it off or done it right. Fucking around cost the lives of those people.
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