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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Patlal]
    #21953557 - 07/16/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Here is the latest from fox. It seems trump is the front runner now and he hasn't even spent money on ads. Can you say president trump?

Among Republican primary voters, Trump captures 18 percent. He’s closely followed by Walker at 15 percent and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush at 14 percent. No one else reaches double-digits.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21953635 - 07/16/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Here is the latest from fox. It seems trump is the front runner now and he hasn't even spent money on ads. Can you say president trump?

Among Republican primary voters, Trump captures 18 percent. He’s closely followed by Walker at 15 percent and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush at 14 percent. No one else reaches double-digits.




Trump will be a force, but I doubt he can win.  There is going to be an absolute mountain of dirt dug up on him and, at some point, he's going to say something that's so far over the top about it that it will destroy his chances.  But he'll do well against Jeb, that's for sure because Jeb just isn't very popular.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #21953701 - 07/16/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Here is the latest from fox. It seems trump is the front runner now and he hasn't even spent money on ads. Can you say president trump?

Among Republican primary voters, Trump captures 18 percent. He’s closely followed by Walker at 15 percent and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush at 14 percent. No one else reaches double-digits.




Trump will be a force, but I doubt he can win.  There is going to be an absolute mountain of dirt dug up on him and, at some point, he's going to say something that's so far over the top about it that it will destroy his chances.  But he'll do well against Jeb, that's for sure because Jeb just isn't very popular.




That's basically the same way I see it. There is also the possibility that he would win the nomination and thereby sink the gop since he has such a clown persona coupled with allegations of wrong doing. But I would like to see specifics of any allegations. All I've heard so far is a bunch of bad rumors about how he cheated people. Will the public look down on a former bankrupt? Or will the identify with him, the American dream coming back from failure and making a success? It makes people think they could do the same if they follow his style.

I don't believe he has anywhere near a solid $10B. Not if he had to come up with cash on short notice, it would be a garage sale bringing in pennies on the dollar. But then again he may pull another rabbit out of the hat. One smart thing he did was declare a high net worth. Then if he comes out with the same or about the same, it does not look like he enriched himself.

Could it possibly be, a pres who tells the truth? How long has it been? Not that I believe everything he says, but he sounds like a blunt but upfront asshole. To me that is way better than what we have been getting.

Is he rich enough he is not in it for the money? Maybe he wants to turn the country around? But he will be killed if he does too much. Or is he going to take even more bribes than hill+billy, the conjoined twins of dirty politics?


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21953938 - 07/16/15 09:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Jeb is a terrible candidate. The fact that he has any support just boggles my mind!

I wouldn't mind seeing a Trump vs Sanders general election! That would be a presidential spectacle like nothing America has ever seen, I feel. It would also send a clear message to the status quo politicians.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21954773 - 07/17/15 04:00 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Jeb is a terrible candidate. The fact that he has any support just boggles my mind!

I wouldn't mind seeing a Trump vs Sanders general election! That would be a presidential spectacle like nothing America has ever seen, I feel. It would also send a clear message to the status quo politicians.




The fact that anyone in this country would even consider sending another Bush to the White House is so mind boggling that it nearly short circuits my ability to reason.  The Bushes have done so much damage to this country and to think we have voters that want to give them another shot at it …  WOW! 

I'd be up for a constitutional amendment banning the Bush family and descendants from Public Office for at least 100 years.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21956257 - 07/17/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Trump is the one who declared bankruptcy thus fucking the people he owed money to.  If he has so much money there is nothing improper about making people whole even after bankruptcy.  The man is a an incompetent crook in my book and I don't know what anyone would admire him for except for his skill at fucking people over.  He is very good at that.  And self promotion.  I think he is a turd.




Don't you think he invested money to start those businesses? He lost his ass, used legal process to end it and you of course give him a ration of shit because you are jealous. You have not shown one case where the tradespeople didn't get paid.






I know of many cases where tradespeople didn't get paid what they were owed because I know some of them who worked on his shit.  These things do not get reported in the newspapers because they are small potatoes to most of the world.  Trump used other people's money and he fucked them, too.  If you ever file for bankruptcy that means you are fucking somebody over, plain and simple.






Even if he went bankrupt the tradespeople could have filed a lien on the project and then the building would not be able to get substantial completion until the tradesmen were paod off; by whomever takes over the project.

Zappa does not do commercial construction and he doesnt know what he's talkinh about,  if his friends lost money from trump it was because they were too stupid to file to proper paperwork to grt their checks.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lien


typically about 10% of all invoices of contractors is withheld by the property until substantial completion in part as a fund to help cover any leins that might be filed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retainage


Zappa has obviously never worked a commercial job in his life and it talking complete bullshit.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Shins]
    #21956315 - 07/17/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>Zappa does not do commercial construction and he doesnt know what he's talkinh about,  if his friends lost money from trump it was because they were too stupid to file to proper paperwork to grt their checks.

>Zappa has obviously never worked a commercial job in his life and it talking complete bullshit.

It wouldn't be the first time.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #21956343 - 07/17/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Lmao! Yes, a constitutional amendment to ban a specific family from office! Genius!  I think we could consider banning people of direct familial relation from holding office for a period of time or number of generations.

If ever we should have permitted heirs to take the throne, it should have been the Kennedys, not the Bushs or the Clintons.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21956352 - 07/17/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Kennedy was an overrated chump. What did he ever do that was so good? He was behind the bay of pigs, a disaster. He then tried to blame it on the former administration and said he was pressured to go along. That is the excuse of a loser.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21956532 - 07/17/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Kennedy was an overrated chump. What did he ever do that was so good? He was behind the bay of pigs, a disaster. He then tried to blame it on the former administration and said he was pressured to go along. That is the excuse of a loser.




lol what? It's ridiculously well known that JFK decided against air support for the Bay of Pigs invasion, which cemented the military brass' opinion that he was soft on communism.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21956888 - 07/17/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's difficult to reason with a person who supports Trump, and thinks JFK was a terrible president lmao


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21956937 - 07/17/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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It's difficult to reason with a person who supports Trump, and thinks JFK was a terrible president lmao




i support trump because he is comic relief. He would be better than hitlery for sure but probably would not win.

i asked what did jfk accomplish that makes him a great or even good president? You of course have no answer but have been told many times he was great so you believe it. i said he was chump not a terrible president. i mentioned bay of pigs, what did he do that was good?


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21956994 - 07/17/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Kennedy created the peace corps, pushed for the adoption of the Limited Test Ban Treaty against nuclear testing, NASA's launch facility in Florida was renamed the John F. Kennedy Space Center because Kennedy gave NASA the vision to go to the moon, and thrust them forward toward doing so.

Your Bay of Pigs example was a lie anyway.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21957044 - 07/17/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>Kennedy created the peace corps

Ok, he signed an executive order creating it.

>pushed for the adoption of the Limited Test Ban Treaty against nuclear testing

Oh he pushed, woopie

None of that amounted to a hill of beans. The kennedy family made their money bootlegging liquor. He had an affair with Marilyn Monroe and evidence indicates she was likely murdered after saying she would go public with it.

>Your Bay of Pigs example was a lie

No, it was the truth. Are they teaching now that it never happened? What is your problem?


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Shins]
    #21957274 - 07/17/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Trump is the one who declared bankruptcy thus fucking the people he owed money to.  If he has so much money there is nothing improper about making people whole even after bankruptcy.  The man is a an incompetent crook in my book and I don't know what anyone would admire him for except for his skill at fucking people over.  He is very good at that.  And self promotion.  I think he is a turd.




Don't you think he invested money to start those businesses? He lost his ass, used legal process to end it and you of course give him a ration of shit because you are jealous. You have not shown one case where the tradespeople didn't get paid.






I know of many cases where tradespeople didn't get paid what they were owed because I know some of them who worked on his shit.  These things do not get reported in the newspapers because they are small potatoes to most of the world.  Trump used other people's money and he fucked them, too.  If you ever file for bankruptcy that means you are fucking somebody over, plain and simple.






Even if he went bankrupt the tradespeople could have filed a lien on the project and then the building would not be able to get substantial completion until the tradesmen were paod off; by whomever takes over the project.

Zappa does not do commercial construction and he doesnt know what he's talkinh about,  if his friends lost money from trump it was because they were too stupid to file to proper paperwork to grt their checks.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lien


typically about 10% of all invoices of contractors is withheld by the property until substantial completion in part as a fund to help cover any leins that might be filed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retainage


Zappa has obviously never worked a commercial job in his life and it talking complete bullshit.




You have no idea what you are talking about.  I have worked commercial jobs and tradesmen get fucked frequently and they have been fucked by Trump.  If you have to file a lien and hire a lawyer YOU HAVE LOST ALREADY.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21957302 - 07/17/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

There is no requirement to hire a lawyer just to file a lien. Your argument is falling apart.

i see woof has run away from his statements about kennedy. He told us the bay of pigs was a "lie" i guess it never happened. But don't call him dizzy, he doesn't like that.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21957310 - 07/17/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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There is no requirement to hire a lawyer just to file a lien. Your argument is falling apart.






Any asshole can file a lien even if they never set foot on the property.  You need a lawyer to protect it, perfect it and pursue it.  If you have to file a lien YOU HAVE ALREADY LOST.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21957479 - 07/17/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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There is no requirement to hire a lawyer just to file a lien. Your argument is falling apart.

i see woof has run away from his statements about kennedy. He told us the bay of pigs was a "lie" i guess it never happened. But don't call him dizzy, he doesn't like that.




Eisenhower approved the planning of the operation, and dedicated millions of dollars to fund it. The CIA withheld intelligence from Kennedy in order to persuade him to do commit to it. Kennedy didn't support the invasion, he was urged to allow it.

It was not his baby, as you're trying to make it out to be.


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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21957495 - 07/17/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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There is no requirement to hire a lawyer just to file a lien. Your argument is falling apart.

i see woof has run away from his statements about kennedy. He told us the bay of pigs was a "lie" i guess it never happened. But don't call him dizzy, he doesn't like that.




Eisenhower approved the planning of the operation, and dedicated millions of dollars to fund it. The CIA withheld intelligence from Kennedy in order to persuade him to do commit to it. Kennedy didn't support the invasion, he was urged to allow it.

It was not his baby, as you're trying to make it out to be.




So eisenhour was president when it happened? No. Where did you get the story that the cia withheld info?

>Kennedy didn't support the invasion, he was urged to allow it.

He was president, he went ahead with it. The buck stops there. If he didn't support it why did he give the go ahead? He also withheld air support which he promised and did not deliver thereby dooming the effort and causing many to be killed or put in prison for life. If you are going to do something then do it right. A half assed invasion is worse than no invasion at all.

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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21957644 - 07/17/15 07:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Don't you think he invested money to start those businesses? He lost his ass, used legal process to end it and you of course give him a ration of shit because you are jealous. You have not shown one case where the tradespeople didn't get paid.






I know of many cases where tradespeople didn't get paid what they were owed because I know some of them who worked on his shit.  These things do not get reported in the newspapers because they are small potatoes to most of the world.  Trump used other people's money and he fucked them, too.  If you ever file for bankruptcy that means you are fucking somebody over, plain and simple.






Even if he went bankrupt the tradespeople could have filed a lien on the project and then the building would not be able to get substantial completion until the tradesmen were paod off; by whomever takes over the project.

Zappa does not do commercial construction and he doesnt know what he's talkinh about,  if his friends lost money from trump it was because they were too stupid to file to proper paperwork to grt their checks.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lien


typically about 10% of all invoices of contractors is withheld by the property until substantial completion in part as a fund to help cover any leins that might be filed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retainage


Zappa has obviously never worked a commercial job in his life and it talking complete bullshit.




You have no idea what you are talking about.  I have worked commercial jobs and tradesmen get fucked frequently and they have been fucked by Trump.  If you have to file a lien and hire a lawyer YOU HAVE LOST ALREADY.




How about you write down a decent contract that will hold up in court should anything happen?


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