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Patlal
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Ran-D]
#21939005 - 07/13/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The WWE will protect him
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Patlal]
#21939448 - 07/13/15 09:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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He will have very good security. Most billionaires have almost equivalent Secret Service quality protection. They are actually usually ex-CIA or SS.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Patlal]
#21939482 - 07/13/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Patlal said: The WWE will protect him
And The Force.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: zorbman]
#21939555 - 07/13/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bill O'Reilly Defends Donald Trump on Mexican Illegal Immigration Comments.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
#21939566 - 07/13/15 10:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: I'm waiting for woof to go down and vote for his favorite dem and get told he already voted
Woof; that can't be Official: Yes, you voted for trump Woof: Noooooo, I was going to vote for hitlery. Official: We hear that a lot since we don't require id.
LDS goes down and is told the same thing
Official: You voted for hitlery LDS: No way, I was voting for jeb
I'd be one in a billion! lmao
Firstly, you know damn good and well that I am not a Hillary supporter, and I will not vote for her.
Regardless, I wouldn't have a problem with vote ID laws, if the government took measures to get a piece of identification into the hands of the people. Like mailing an identifying ticket to a known address of a registered voter. Something along those lines. Of course this would pose a problem for homeless people.
Also if, as Hillary has suggested, the government automatically registered everyone to vote, then dead people would never get registered.
I've heard of more people's voting ability being obstructed by voter ID laws than by someone else casting their vote. I've even heard of several people who were unable to vote due to name changes, despite significant effort on their part to make their name change known to the government.
I find it interesting that down in Texas your gun permits count as ID, but a student ID doesn't. This is clearly a partisan effort. Republicans have a much greater tendency to be gun enthusiasts than dems.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21939841 - 07/13/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Very clever. Anything CNN can do to mock and disparage everything he has said. It's a game.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/17/opinions/kohn-donald-trump-announcement/
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Patlal]
#21939924 - 07/13/15 11:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't actually dislike Trump, but I still found the following Twitter exchange pretty funny.
Lesson learned by the Trumpster: NEVER attack a comedian or comedy writer in public.
Donald Trump Gets Into Twitter War With Modern Family Writer—Is Obliterated
http://www.alternet.org/media/donald-trump-gets-twitter-war-modern-family-writer-obliterated
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Astral Pain]
#21939975 - 07/13/15 11:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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‘I’d Knock You Out Right Now!' Geraldo gets pissed and threatens to knock someone out during an argument about Trump. What an ass kisser getting totally worked up over someone calling Obama a skinny community organizer. The worship of Barry is disgusting. He got his ass called out and rightly so. What an asshole.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Astral Pain]
#21940155 - 07/14/15 12:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I had a job but no means of cashing a check. I'm sure I could have borrowed from someone but hopefully you see my point by now.
are you telling me you can't cash a check without ID? that must not apply to welfare checks, since the poor never have ID...
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: hostileuniverse]
#21940205 - 07/14/15 12:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Generally welfare comes on a card nowadays, I believe...
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21940266 - 07/14/15 01:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: zorbman]
#21940296 - 07/14/15 01:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nice cartoon! Lol... except, Donald's hair is combed forward, not to the side. I know it seems like a small thing, but it really makes a world of difference. Man's running for the highest office in the world, yet he never learned how to comb his own hair.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21940366 - 07/14/15 02:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think I've actually solved the mystery of Trump hair.
I think what he's doing, because it's thinning, is let it grow very long, then combing it forward to his brow, THEN back over again. So he's got a double layer of hair there to cover that area.
Many Chinese paid with their lives for this information.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21940534 - 07/14/15 03:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: Generally welfare comes on a card nowadays, I believe...
now you've got me curious... Does that mean that one can apply for welfare with no ID? Can you just go in there, give them a name, and get a card?
I've never done it so I genuinely do not know...
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: paperbackwriter]
#21940676 - 07/14/15 05:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: Weapon? Really.
Holy shit. Everybody's vote has to count. A person with no ID can get one, often free and even vote provisionally. A stolen vote can never be recast.
Oh you meant literally vote stealing? Not canceling out someone eles vote because an illegal voted.
It's an inefficient way to steal an election and therefore rarely happens. I'm sure it would suck though to have someone steal your vote.
On the other hand, the voter fraud that does happen is not prevented by voter ID laws and the way I see these laws being implemented is not in a compassionate or often even legal way.
So it looks like a political weopon to me. One that aims to make it harder for poor people to vote.
Here's more on that study.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/
I mean any way someones vote is stolen. There are a great many who realize the main reason some do not want ID is voter fraud.
The Supreme Court has already ruled voter ID is constitutional. Fortunately, the fraudsters lost.
It doesn't matter how many were stolen. One is too many when there's such an easy method of eliminating (or at least greatly reducing what-ever the number).
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#21940782 - 07/14/15 06:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Easy for who? We've spent a lot of time and money fixing a problem that doesn't exist. We've made it harder for millions to vote.
Anyway it's done. I live in a voter ID state and the way it was handled here wasn't legal. It had to be put off until the election cycle ended so people had enough time to comply. Now it's the law and I see other states with similar laws and still others pushing for even stricter laws that may not hold up in court.
And it's not about fraud. We don't spend that much energy solving imaginary problems. It's about reducing voter turnout by making it harder to vote. A strategy that favors the right.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21940962 - 07/14/15 07:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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>I've heard of more people's voting ability being obstructed by voter ID laws than by someone else casting their vote.
That is known as media bias. Just like the many cases of a gang of blacks beating up a white person rarely makes it into the media but if its the opposite, its a big story. The media wants illegals to vote so they are behind the anti id movement. Any case of voter fraud becomes a non story and they sit around and create articles out of thin air about how awful it is to have a simple id. So the sheep (cough) say that since they haven't heard about voter fraud, it does not exist. Tell that to Chicago.
You have to have positive id to get welfare and they check up on it. Somehow those poor people always manage to come up with id for that.
We have a well known way to do voter fraud and the major parties have no morals. People thinking they are not working this for all its worth probably think they can leave their wallet laying on the ground and come back a day later to pick it up. "I haven't heard any stories about wallets not being returned to their owners"
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge] 1
#21941014 - 07/14/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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What a convenient position to be in, where you can dismiss anything that goes against your narrative as a conspiracy.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: Stonehenge]
#21941029 - 07/14/15 08:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: >I've heard of more people's voting ability being obstructed by voter ID laws than by someone else casting their vote.
That is known as media bias. Just like the many cases of a gang of blacks beating up a white person rarely makes it into the media but if its the opposite, its a big story. The media wants illegals to vote so they are behind the anti id movement. Any case of voter fraud becomes a non story and they sit around and create articles out of thin air about how awful it is to have a simple id. So the sheep (cough) say that since they haven't heard about voter fraud, it does not exist. Tell that to Chicago.
I linked a few studies above. One guy examined every reported incident he could find and found 31 incidents of actual voter fraud that would be preventable with voter ID laws... out of a billion.
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You have to have positive id to get welfare and they check up on it. Somehow those poor people always manage to come up with id for that.
ID, not photo ID. For instance, you can get welfare using a military ID card but can't vote using one.
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We have a well known way to do voter fraud and the major parties have no morals. People thinking they are not working this for all its worth probably think they can leave their wallet laying on the ground and come back a day later to pick it up. "I haven't heard any stories about wallets not being returned to their owners"
It's not efficient to steal elections like this. Think of it like mushrooms. Yes, you can grow lots of mushrooms using PF tek. But most people go to bulk if they want to grow lots of mushrooms. If you want to steal an election you don't do it one vote at a time, you tamper with the box itself or burn votes.
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Re: So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day... [Re: paperbackwriter]
#21941161 - 07/14/15 08:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: Easy for who? We've spent a lot of time and money fixing a problem that doesn't exist. We've made it harder for millions to vote.
Anyway it's done. I live in a voter ID state and the way it was handled here wasn't legal. It had to be put off until the election cycle ended so people had enough time to comply. Now it's the law and I see other states with similar laws and still others pushing for even stricter laws that may not hold up in court.
And it's not about fraud. We don't spend that much energy solving imaginary problems. It's about reducing voter turnout by making it harder to vote. A strategy that favors the right.
Easy for the vast majority.
If you're incapable of procuring an idea, you're too stupid to be voting anyway.
It doesn't actually have a significant effect on turnout one way or the other.
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Quit Blaming Low Turnout on Voter ID By Francis Barry
Do voter identification laws suppress turnout? Liberals tend to say yes, arguing that not all citizens have the type of ID that many states now require at the polls. Conservatives tend to say no, arguing that identification is easy to obtain. Both sides point to studies that support their case.
To see if the recent election offers any evidence either way, I dug up voter turnout figures for the 21 states that had a competitive gubernatorial or Senate race, as rated by the Cook Political Report. (I excluded Colorado, where voters cast ballots mostly by mail.) Some results are still unofficial and may change slightly.
Voting Rights
Fourteen of the 21 states had a voter ID requirement in place, while seven didn't. If ID laws affected turnout in these states, it didn’t show up in the numbers: The average turnout rate for each group was 51 percent. Does that settle the argument? Hardly, but it’s a good place to start.
Next, I looked at turnout in the South, where much of the debate on voter ID has focused, because many opponents argue that ID laws function as a modern day poll tax, hitting poor and minority voters hardest. (The Supreme Court will probably take up this question soon.)
Five states in the old Confederacy, and two that bordered it, had competitive statewide elections. The states with a voter ID requirement, including Louisiana and Florida, had the highest turnout rates; the two states where no ID is required -- Maryland and North Carolina -- had the lowest. Toastered 2
In North Carolina, a voting rights group has argued that changes to the state’s election laws -- such as ending Election Day registration and shortening the early voting period -- reduced turnout by up to 50,000 voters. There is good reason to be skeptical of that number, but even if it is accurate, it depressed turnout by less than 1 percent.
Another way to test the question of whether voter ID requirements suppress turnout is to examine states that adopted ID laws after 2010. Did turnout in those states go down? Only two states with new ID laws also had competitive elections in both 2010 and 2014: Kansas and New Hampshire. Turnout increased in both: by one point in Kansas, and by more than nine points in New Hampshire.
Looking across all 21 states with competitive elections, Maine had the highest turnout, with 63 percent. Maine has no ID requirement and allows voters to register on Election Day. But next up were states with ID laws: New Hampshire and Alaska -- though in Alaska, an election official can waive the requirement if he or she knows the voter.
None of this disproves the theory that voter ID laws suppress turnout, but nor does it lend any credence to it. It does suggest, however, that just as conservatives have oversold the need for ID laws by playing up fears of voter fraud (which is extremely rare), liberals may be overhyping the impact the laws are having on voter turnout.
There are many reasons that people don’t vote. In a recent poll by the Pew Research Center of nonvoters, 87 percent of respondents said they were too busy to do so, unhappy with their choices or otherwise indifferent. Ten percent cited a missed registration deadline, a recent move or a lack of transportation. Lack of ID did not register in the poll, probably because even registered voters without ID can cast provisional ballots, which are counted if the voters later establish that they were eligible to participate.
There is no doubt that partisan motivations are driving the Republican push for ID laws, which make voting harder than it needs to be for some. But it’s not at all clear that such laws are giving Republicans any meaningful advantage by suppressing turnout.
Democrats believe that the higher the turnout, the better their chances of winning elections. If they hope to increase turnout in future elections, they would do well to spend more time motivating voters and less time bemoaning ID laws.
He sums it up nicely at the end... no advantage for Reps, hoped for advantage for Dems.
As long as changes aren't made so close to an election as to actually make things difficult for people, there's no reason not to have ID laws, with a good reason to have them. Have the laws take effect 1 year from passage, and the already piss-poor reasoning of the anti-IDers dies the death it so richly deserves.
Plus, as we've both pointed out, it's done. It's here. It's not going away. All the anti's can do is delay it in small increments while making their motivations clear.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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