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Government Trolls
    #21892823 - 07/03/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It seems that the rumors of govt paid shills and trolls on the internet are true. Nothing to do with national security, just trying to spread the propaganda and nullify the truth.

SOURCE: MICHAEL SNYDER

Have you ever come across someone on the Internet that you suspected was a paid government troll?  Well, there is a very good chance that you were not imagining things.  Thanks to Edward Snowden, we now have solid proof that paid government trolls are using “psychology-based influence techniques” on social media websites such as YouTube, Facebook and Twitter. Documents leaked by Snowden also reveal that government agents have been conducting denial-of-service attacks, flooding social media websites with thinly veiled propaganda and have been purposely attempting to warp public discourse online.  If we do not stand up and object to this kind of Orwellian behavior, it is only going to get worse and worse.


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21898633 - 07/04/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Stonehenge said:
It seems that the rumors of govt paid shills and trolls on the internet are true. Nothing to do with national security, just trying to spread the propaganda and nullify the truth.

SOURCE: MICHAEL SNYDER

Have you ever come across someone on the Internet that you suspected was a paid government troll?  Well, there is a very good chance that you were not imagining things.  Thanks to Edward Snowden, we now have solid proof that paid government trolls are using “psychology-based influence techniques” on social media websites such as YouTube, Facebook and Twitter. Documents leaked by Snowden also reveal that government agents have been conducting denial-of-service attacks, flooding social media websites with thinly veiled propaganda and have been purposely attempting to warp public discourse online.  If we do not stand up and object to this kind of Orwellian behavior, it is only going to get worse and worse.




That is their way to make sure to keep people dumb and ignorant.


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21899015 - 07/04/15 10:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Stonehenge said:
It seems that the rumors of govt paid shills and trolls on the internet are true. Nothing to do with national security, just trying to spread the propaganda and nullify the truth.

SOURCE: MICHAEL SNYDER

Have you ever come across someone on the Internet that you suspected was a paid government troll?  Well, there is a very good chance that you were not imagining things.  Thanks to Edward Snowden, we now have solid proof that paid government trolls are using “psychology-based influence techniques” on social media websites such as YouTube, Facebook and Twitter. Documents leaked by Snowden also reveal that government agents have been conducting denial-of-service attacks, flooding social media websites with thinly veiled propaganda and have been purposely attempting to warp public discourse online.  If we do not stand up and object to this kind of Orwellian behavior, it is only going to get worse and worse.




Links?
Are you telling me that Enlil really IS a government shill? Fuck, I fuckin knew it!

Wait a minute, Stoney, be honest here... Are YOU a government shill?

How do I get on government payroll for shilling? Shillings for shilling!!!
Does it come with a pension, and one of those fancy pants insurance plans?


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21899073 - 07/04/15 11:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
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Stonehenge said:
It seems that the rumors of govt paid shills and trolls on the internet are true. Nothing to do with national security, just trying to spread the propaganda and nullify the truth.

SOURCE: MICHAEL SNYDER

Have you ever come across someone on the Internet that you suspected was a paid government troll?  Well, there is a very good chance that you were not imagining things.  Thanks to Edward Snowden, we now have solid proof that paid government trolls are using “psychology-based influence techniques” on social media websites such as YouTube, Facebook and Twitter. Documents leaked by Snowden also reveal that government agents have been conducting denial-of-service attacks, flooding social media websites with thinly veiled propaganda and have been purposely attempting to warp public discourse online.  If we do not stand up and object to this kind of Orwellian behavior, it is only going to get worse and worse.




Links?
Are you telling me that Enlil really IS a government shill? Fuck, I fuckin knew it!

Wait a minute, Stoney, be honest here... Are YOU a government shill?

How do I get on government payroll for shilling? Shillings for shilling!!!
Does it come with a pension, and one of those fancy pants insurance plans?



How Do I Get Paid To Be An On-Line Troll!?
One of the recurrent conspiracy theories you'll see in online discussions is that certain posters are actually paid trolls--agents of some nefarious force whose day job is actually to come to your forum and post inflammatory things that push all your buttons! Read here for an example!
If someone you don't know makes comments on facebook group pages supporting whaling or sealing, it is most likely an employee of a government. We have for a long time known but could not prove that the postings by various names that appear time and time again are from people paid to post comments in favor of the killing of seals, dolphins, whales and other animals. Now we have proof. This Canadian Press story details how the Canadian government has hired firms to monitor online forums and to post propaganda supporting the slaughter of these animals.
This sounds pretty good, honestly--how do I get this sweet work-from-home job? Is this even real? Who's doing it? Are those posters who make you rage-stroke actually nefarious hired hit-jobs? Who's behind this? And most importantly: how much does it pay?

In China the answer is apparently: 50-cents per post. Here is an interview (quoted in Reason magazine) with one of these paid-trolls.
http://politicalomnivore.blogspot.com/2012/02/how-do-i-get-paid-to-be-on-line-troll.html



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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #21899082 - 07/04/15 11:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

so if i go around telling people i support the seal harvesting industry for free, i will be undermining a chinese person's wage?


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    #21899091 - 07/04/15 11:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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so if i go around telling people i support the seal harvesting industry for free, i will be undermining a chinese person's wage?




You might...., But if you are looking for a job, here's an application-

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Re: Government Trolls [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21899120 - 07/04/15 11:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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so if i go around telling people i support the seal harvesting industry for free, i will be undermining a chinese person's wage?




Yes. I've decided not to post political comments anymore. Those poor people in the 3rd world gotta make a living somehow!


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #21899139 - 07/04/15 11:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Responsible Seal Harvesting

When people talk about saving baby seals, what they are really proposing is killing jobs.  Ecoterrorists would have you believe that they care about the feelings of animals who are probably going to get eaten by orcas or sharks anyway.  What they actually want is for the hardworking men and women of the seal harvesting industry to become unemployed welfare recipients so that they can gain some more dependent voters to bolster their leftist cause.  Thomas Moore, the true father of communism, also found hunting and slaughter of animals to be distasteful, so you can see that this agenda goes all the way back to the 16th century! How long are they gonna keep trying to push this liberal animal rights agenda on an unwilling public? you would think that these socialist bullies would get the message after 500 years!


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21899169 - 07/04/15 11:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Responsible Seal Harvesting

When people talk about saving baby seals, what they are really proposing is killing jobs.  Ecoterrorists would have you believe that they care about the feelings of animals who are probably going to get eaten by orcas or sharks anyway.  What they actually want is for the hardworking men and women of the seal harvesting industry to become unemployed welfare recipients so that they can gain some more dependent voters to bolster their leftist cause.  Thomas Moore, the true father of communism, also found hunting and slaughter of animals to be distasteful, so you can see that this agenda goes all the way back to the 16th century! How long are they gonna keep trying to push this liberal animal rights agenda on an unwilling public? you would think that these socialist bullies would get the message after 500 years!




Priceless. I needed a good laugh! lmao


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21899180 - 07/04/15 11:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Responsible Seal Harvesting

When people talk about saving baby seals, what they are really proposing is killing jobs.  Ecoterrorists would have you believe that they care about the feelings of animals who are probably going to get eaten by orcas or sharks anyway.  What they actually want is for the hardworking men and women of the seal harvesting industry to become unemployed welfare recipients so that they can gain some more dependent voters to bolster their leftist cause.  Thomas Moore, the true father of communism, also found hunting and slaughter of animals to be distasteful, so you can see that this agenda goes all the way back to the 16th century! How long are they gonna keep trying to push this liberal animal rights agenda on an unwilling public? you would think that these socialist bullies would get the message after 500 years!




Well maybe that explain why there has been many shark attacks against human, it is because there aren't many baby seals for them to eat. But then, there's an island that is nearby that they does genetically engineering to produce strange animals to add to our food supply that doesn't look appetizing to eat, that they dumped them into the ocean and causing the sharks to come and search for food along the shorelines.


The "Montauk Monster" was an animal carcass, thought to be a raccoon,[1][2] that washed ashore on a beach near the business district of Montauk, New York in July 2008.[3][4] The identity of the creature and the veracity of stories surrounding it have been the subject of controversy and speculation. It is not known what happened to the carcass, it was said to be taken, and mysteriously disappeared.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montauk_Monster


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21899528 - 07/05/15 02:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm sure he Koch bros (and their billionaire buddies) have plenty of paid internet shills of their own.


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Le_Canard]
    #21900286 - 07/05/15 09:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i'll take my $0.50 now


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Le_Canard]
    #21900460 - 07/05/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm sure he Koch bros (and their billionaire buddies) have plenty of paid internet shills of their own.




I know Donald Trump paid a bunch of movie extras to go to his presidential bid announcement.


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21900779 - 07/05/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Disqus is crawling with them. It'll make your head spin and it seems as if they all have the same troll training. Even if you're just posting to shoot the shit while having a sound familiarity of the crowd at hand, anyone who posts a mere generalization of a matter of fact might find a swarm of idiots replying with demands to provide a source.

  It's like bot accounts that loop the same replies demanding sources and more often than not one is supplied, but that just leads to a dispute about the website the source came from. I have witnessed this tactic countless times, and it pollutes the board with pointless babble while irritating the hell out of any user who had gotten themselves sucked into the vortex.

It appears the strategy is Order out of Chaos.


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Astral Pain]
    #21900794 - 07/05/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

AP, you are right. They present no rational argument but say you are wrong. When you give sources they sneer at them as if that makes them go away or invalidates an argument. They give usually unsupported statements but ask you for sources.


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21900883 - 07/05/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Nowadays, anyone can find an internet site that backs up any ludicrous claim.  That's why there are more conspiracy nutters than ever.  It's sad that no one taught these people how to think critically.  Instead, they come up with an idea that they want to believe, and they seek confirmation on the internet. 

That's pretty much the opposite of critical thinking, though.

If one puts blinders on to adverse information, one can find plenty of "sources" to back up crazy theories from 9/11 controlled demo theories to chemtrails.  An objective look clearly shows these to be fairy tales, but if you want to find a unicorn bad enough, you'll find one...even if it isn't real.


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21900908 - 07/05/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

They're either very uninformed or misinformed. Or both. Or trolls. I think they may be all of those. They could be the former without proper search engine skills and the need for someone to tell them how to think.


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Astral Pain]
    #21900936 - 07/05/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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They're either very uninformed or misinformed. Or both. Or trolls. I think they may be all of those. They could be the former without proper search engine skills and the need for someone to tell them how to think.




You just described the loony left.


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Astral Pain]
    #21900981 - 07/05/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That quote may have a future in my signature. I think if asked my description of a liberal, I would have rambled on far longer than my description of disqus trolls.


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Astral Pain]
    #21901733 - 07/05/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think it's important for people to understand what sort of comment requires a source in the first place. I don't think a source is required when you are giving a personal opinion, when you're not making an argument or any sort of positive claim, or when it's a common knowledge subject, like whether or not George W Bush was president at one point in time.

It's mostly important when you are arguing against someone else's point and particularly when you're invoking the conclusion of a research paper, or making a very specific point based on outside material. If you're going to say 'scientists say ____', or bring up little known historical facts, you better have some supporting evidence.

I even see people on here ask for sources when someone is just making a statement of their personal opinion, in which case they themselves are the source! lol


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Enlil]
    #21901763 - 07/05/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Nowadays, anyone can find an internet site that backs up any ludicrous claim.  That's why there are more conspiracy nutters than ever.  It's sad that no one taught these people how to think critically.  Instead, they come up with an idea that they want to believe, and they seek confirmation on the internet. 

That's pretty much the opposite of critical thinking, though.

If one puts blinders on to adverse information, one can find plenty of "sources" to back up crazy theories from 9/11 controlled demo theories to chemtrails.  An objective look clearly shows these to be fairy tales, but if you want to find a unicorn bad enough, you'll find one...even if it isn't real.




Thou doth protest too much, methinks. :smirk:


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21901968 - 07/05/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Little known fact:  Paid government shills can only lie twice to any one person, so if you ask him three times if he's a shill, he'll either have to admit it or remain silent on the third time.  It's a dead giveaway.


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Enlil]
    #21902000 - 07/05/15 05:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

From the horse's mouth.


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Enlil]
    #21902138 - 07/05/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hmm, well in that case, answer me three questions Enlil. If you lie three times, well, you know what will happen!

1) Are you a government shill, Enlil?
2) Enlil, are you a government shill?
3) Are you, Enlil, a government shill?

Also, Stonehenge, would you provide a link to Snowden's insights? I didn't realize Snowden was still in a position to be leaking government documents.


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21902181 - 07/05/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

1. No
2. No
3. Lol


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Enlil]
    #21902237 - 07/05/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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1. No
2. No
3. Lol




I FUCKING KNEW IT!
Dead giveaway.


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Enlil]
    #21902856 - 07/05/15 09:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Little known fact:  Paid government shills can only lie twice to any one person, so if you ask him three times if he's a shill, he'll either have to admit it or remain silent on the third time.  It's a dead giveaway.




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Re: Government Trolls [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21902874 - 07/05/15 09:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

My source is the Government Shill Manual of Procedures and Practices, 4th edition, 2013.


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Enlil]
    #21902881 - 07/05/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i'll just spend awhile searching the interwebs for a copy


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    #21903055 - 07/05/15 09:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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My source is the Government Shill Manual of Procedures and Practices, 4th edition, 2013.




Wow, you've been at this for a while. Obama's issued 9 editions since then..... That's what.. Snowden told me... anyway.

Get with the times dude. Unprofessional.


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    #21903088 - 07/05/15 10:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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My source is the Government Shill Manual of Procedures and Practices, 4th edition, 2013.




i spent 45 minutes, but no matter how hard i googled it, i could not find this manual.


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    #21903162 - 07/05/15 10:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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They're either very uninformed or misinformed. Or both. Or trolls. I think they may be all of those. They could be the former without proper search engine skills and the need for someone to tell them how to think.




You just described the loony left.





And the looney right as well. It goes both ways, you know.


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They're either very uninformed or misinformed. Or both. Or trolls. I think they may be all of those. They could be the former without proper search engine skills and the need for someone to tell them how to think.




You just described the loony left.





And the looney right as well. It goes both ways, you know.




Conspiracy theories are generally a right-wing phenomenon (Not exclusively though).


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    #21903468 - 07/05/15 11:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, you're probably right about that. They're the kind of conservatives who would lambaste Fred Rodgers for being "too liberal".


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My source is the Government Shill Manual of Procedures and Practices, 4th edition, 2013.




i spent 45 minutes, but no matter how hard i googled it, i could not find this manual.




http://scottbarrykaufman.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/trolls-just-want-to-have-fun.pdf

http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/03/01/paid-govt-and-corporate-internet-trolls-are-real/


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If someone you don't know makes comments on facebook group pages supporting whaling or sealing, it is most likely an employee of a government. .




Oh is that fucking so? Now that is some ignorant shit. Someone disagrees with you because they are on the government payroll.
It has nothing to do with the saving the planet. Not culling the overpopulation of seals is bad for the environment as they eat all the fish. I fail to see how depopulation of fish stocks is a good thing. It isn't greenpeace that oppose seal hunt, its PETA. 
People who are anti seal hunt are emotional people from the cities, they have no business trying to stop a sustainable industry that has existed for 10 000 years. What is an Eskimo going to do for a job, to feed their families? Lets make them all dependent on the Canadian taxpayer when they used to be independent when left to their own devices. 
They use all the seal parts with no waste. The only reason anyone can give for being anti seal hunt is seals are cute. That's the sole reason, not one good reason exists. The EU is illegally blocking seal products from their market. I don't expect them to end their colonial racism against natives worldwide but at least act like you care about them.


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If someone you don't know makes comments on facebook group pages supporting whaling or sealing, it is most likely an employee of a government. .




Oh is that fucking so? Now that is some ignorant shit. Someone disagrees with you because they are on the government payroll.
It has nothing to do with the saving the planet. Not culling the overpopulation of seals is bad for the environment as they eat all the fish. I fail to see how depopulation of fish stocks is a good thing. It isn't greenpeace that oppose seal hunt, its PETA. 
People who are anti seal hunt are emotional people from the cities, they have no business trying to stop a sustainable industry that has existed for 10 000 years. What is an Eskimo going to do for a job, to feed their families? Lets make them all dependent on the Canadian taxpayer when they used to be independent when left to their own devices. 
They use all the seal parts with no waste. The only reason anyone can give for being anti seal hunt is seals are cute. That's the sole reason, not one good reason exists. The EU is illegally blocking seal products from their market. I don't expect them to end their colonial racism against natives worldwide but at least act like you care about them.




They are only going after the ones that are exposing their little secret by calling them liars even to the ones that put on the sites facts; they tries to twist things up so that no one will listen to them. It is a mind game that they use by putting false information into the listeners thoughts.And they goes around editing videos on youtube that exposes them or checking to see if they has the rights to the video clippings. And also, they make up all sort of dummy websites that claims that the wehsites that the poster had posted isn't a legitimate website. They also have many of them joining a discussion board when they just started and then they will start befriending others to gain a good reputation with them so that they will only listen to them. And I'm going to tell you that there are many on this site that they play a tag team with each other to frustrate other off the website that they doesn't like. These kind of stuff that kids plays in elementary schools and which show what type of mentality that these people has. They behave as if they are straight from out of the ghettos or ex-prison inmates. Some of these conspiracies theories that are posted can turn people thoughts from ever taking anyone seriously. Like when I first came onto this site, they has someone that was trying to blind everyone by staring at something that they shouldn't be looking at. And so, who will take a site like that very seriously?


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    #21904759 - 07/06/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Nowadays, anyone can find an internet site that backs up any ludicrous claim.  That's why there are more conspiracy nutters than ever.  It's sad that no one taught these people how to think critically.  Instead, they come up with an idea that they want to believe, and they seek confirmation on the internet. 

That's pretty much the opposite of critical thinking, though.

If one puts blinders on to adverse information, one can find plenty of "sources" to back up crazy theories from 9/11 controlled demo theories to chemtrails.  An objective look clearly shows these to be fairy tales, but if you want to find a unicorn bad enough, you'll find one...even if it isn't real.




An objective critical thinker would know there's more than enough credible information that confirms the existence of government and corporate disinformation agents (for lack of a better word).

Or...An objective critical thinker would derail the thread from the topic and generalize any challenge to the status quo as conspiracy nutter bullshit.

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I have 3 questions for you...


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    #21904994 - 07/06/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I asked Stonehenge for a link to his information source, and he hasn't provided one. I am pretty sure he said that Snowden leaked this information.


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    #21905007 - 07/06/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If someone you don't know makes comments on facebook group pages supporting whaling or sealing, it is most likely an employee of a government. .




Oh is that fucking so? Now that is some ignorant shit. Someone disagrees with you because they are on the government payroll.
It has nothing to do with the saving the planet. Not culling the overpopulation of seals is bad for the environment as they eat all the fish. I fail to see how depopulation of fish stocks is a good thing. It isn't greenpeace that oppose seal hunt, its PETA. 
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They use all the seal parts with no waste. The only reason anyone can give for being anti seal hunt is seals are cute. That's the sole reason, not one good reason exists. The EU is illegally blocking seal products from their market. I don't expect them to end their colonial racism against natives worldwide but at least act like you care about them.




my previous seal harvesting post was for a joke, but this one is serious.
Why shouldn't seals be harvested?  They breed like crazy.  If you see a seal with a pup, it is highly likely that she is already pregnant with another pup, so if done responsibly, seal harvesting is very sustainable.  The harvest is very labor intensive.  It requires humans to accomplish much, which precludes seal harvesters from losing their job to a computer.  It's pretty humane actually.  Have you ever seen video of a seal hunt?  They don't actually "club" the seals.  they have a device something like a short handled gaff.(a stick with a metal hook on the end) which they swing(like a club) aiming to hook the seals directly through the head.  big metal hook through the brain=instant death.  Its much more sporting than running cows down a chute.  The harvesters have to jump out onto ice floes in freezing conditions to do this job.  It looks at least as dangerous as crab fishing (more so really).  We already can a lot of seal food every year.(fish)  This causes starvation of seal pups due to a lack of available food for the mother seals who then abandon the pups.  There are only 2 ways to solve this problem.  Solution number 1:lower the population numbers of seals. Solution number 2:stop eating fish(especially bait fish like sardine and anchovy)
in conclusion, anyone who claims to be opposed to seal harvesting is actually in favor of a slow cruel death by starvation for many young seal pups. :shrug:


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    #21905303 - 07/06/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I asked Stonehenge for a link to his information source, and he hasn't provided one. I am pretty sure he said that Snowden leaked this information.




Snowden leaked some.

But the knowledge of shills has been confirmed since people broke into the FBI and liberated a shitload of COINTELPRO files.


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    #21905404 - 07/06/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Many countries have admitted ot too, namely the USA and Israel right off the top of my head.  I'm sire Russia does it too.


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Many countries have admitted ot too, namely the USA and Israel right off the top of my head.  I'm sire Russia does it too.




Israel doesn't even try to hide it.

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    #21905566 - 07/06/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Many countries have admitted ot too, namely the USA and Israel right off the top of my head.  I'm sire Russia does it too.




I just asked for some sources. I have never seen sources for this. I know Nazi Germany had a department of propaganda, and I know in America we have Fox News (Though they are not paid by the government).

I never saw anything about this in Snowden's leaks.


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    #21905609 - 07/06/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I never saw a Chinese stripper before either, they must not exist.


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I never saw a Chinese stripper before either, they must not exist.




you've been missing out




Maybe, but the ladyboys kinda freak me out.

I asked for sources, I haven't gotten any, so the claim appears to be a dubious one at best.


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    #21906277 - 07/06/15 05:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I might have even made a thread about this a while ago where I had an idea to create a business that was just a warehouse of computers manned 24 hrs a day in 3 8 hour shifts. Employees would be given a demographic or sector to focus on and create hundreds of accounts of forums, blogs, chat rooms etc and  basically act as an agenda pushing machine that could be bought and done in such a manner that it subverted a persons awareness of be advertised to.

Imagine if some lawnmower company wanted their product to be pushed like this people would organically work it into unrelated conversations or also give fake testimonials about the product in forums/blogs where it was relevant.


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Paying people to cultivate opinions and dictate an agenda is centuries old, the internet is simply the newest medium.


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    #21906542 - 07/06/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, you know, I use Jiffy Mix™ as my casing layer for my monotubs. The Jiffy Mix™ casing layer reminds me of the layer of propaganda our government lays over the population. Of course Jiffy Mix™ isn't the same thing as propaganda, but every time I use Jiffy Mix™ I certainly do think of Fox News!


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    #21906569 - 07/06/15 06:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Many countries have admitted ot too, namely the USA and Israel right off the top of my head.  I'm sire Russia does it too.




I just asked for some sources. I have never seen sources for this. I know Nazi Germany had a department of propaganda, and I know in America we have Fox News (Though they are not paid by the government).

I never saw anything about this in Snowden's leaks.





This is actually old news, its publicly admitted I was talking about this years ago.


http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-23695896

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/08/14/israel-students-social-media/2651715/


Some US military papers came out too that wetetalking about using internet military trolls to use "sock puppets" to assume mutiple, untraceable identities to use to influence social mefia, and even to use the multiple sock puppet accounts to support each other and try to form consensus.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Earnest_Voice

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks

http://techcrunch.com/2011/03/17/u-s-military-program-creates-online-sock-puppets-to-counter-%E2%80%98enemy-propaganda%E2%80%99/


most of this is probably contracted out to private companies as well, I would wager its happening in many more countries. 

Of course military/intelligence would target the internet and employ military hackers and trolls DUH!  This is what they mean when they say "cyber security;" internet propaganda trolls to keep unwanted information secure from the public.


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    #21906581 - 07/06/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

From your sources:

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According to the United States Military Central Command (CENTCOM), the US-based Facebook and Twitter networks are not targeted by the program because US laws prohibit US state agencies from spreading propaganda among US citizens as according to the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012




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He said none of the interventions would be in English, as it would be unlawful to "address US audiences" with such technology, and any English-language use of social media by Centcom was always clearly attributed.




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Lol you still think the US government respects laws?

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    #21906596 - 07/06/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You can't use the U.S. Government as a source and then cherry pick which part you want to believe and don't want to believe.  All of the sources you linked said the program wasn't in English.  Either those sources are credible or they aren't.  If you want to rely on them, then you have to accept what they actually say and not what you wish they said.


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>Lol you still think the US government respects laws?

Its his job to say that.


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    #21906616 - 07/06/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The CIA even manipulates the entertainment industry.


https://www.cia.gov/offices-of-cia/public-affairs/entertainment-industry-liaison


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    #21906630 - 07/06/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I didn't find the word "manipulate" anywhere in your linked webpage.


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You can't use the U.S. Government as a source and then cherry pick which part you want to believe and don't want to believe.  All of the sources you linked said the program wasn't in English.  Either those sources are credible or they aren't.  If you want to rely on them, then you have to accept what they actually say and not what you wish they said.





It proves the existence of online government "trolls" who manipulate online discussion.

Intelligence agencies work together,  even if domestic trolling is illegal, foreign trolling, private trolls or contractors are still trolling.

I however don't believe for one second that none of it is domestic.  Theyve been caught with their pants down WAY too many times already.


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    #21906660 - 07/06/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I didn't find the word "manipulate" anywhere in your linked webpage.





Reading comprehension.  the word manipulate doesn't nesd to be there in order for it to be manipulative.  But that was obvious.


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    #21906758 - 07/06/15 07:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, sources, that's what I was waiting for. Still waiting on a source about Snowden leaking this information. I really don't like the idea of lies being falsely attributed to Snowden.


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    #21906838 - 07/06/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

*There are no govt shills...

*The NSA is not spying on you...

*Hillary Clinton really only sent 4 emails about Russia in her tenure as Secretary of State...


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    #21906893 - 07/06/15 08:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG are two tactics: (1) to inject all sorts of false material onto the internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets; and (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable. To see how extremist these programs are, just consider the tactics they boast of using to achieve those ends: “false flag operations” (posting material to the internet and falsely attributing it to someone else), fake victim blog posts (pretending to be a victim of the individual whose reputation they want to destroy), and posting “negative information” on various forums.
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140224/17054826340/new-snowden-doc-reveals-how-gchqnsa-use-internet-to-manipulate-deceive-destroy-reputations.shtml


In an article posted on website Greenwald help create called the Intercept, Greenwald reports secret documents from the GCHQ – the United Kingdom’s version of the NSA – reveal “how western intelligence agencies are attempting to manipulate and control online discourse with extreme tactics of deception and reputation-destruction.”
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/02/govt-handbook-for-internet-trolls-uncovered/#iwPRgESShgdQeBrz.99

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    #21908434 - 07/07/15 06:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Can't believe it took 4 pages for those links, amongst a discussion of people demanding links.

Search engines. They're a real thing. Maybe if I put it in an image macro with a catchy caption we can forego actually reading and understanding things.


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21908756 - 07/07/15 08:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Last week, the Monsanto Company made it very clear that they were under the gun via social media, and they went on the defense, weakly claiming that those who object with their toxic seeds and deadly farming methods were “elitist,”  thereby attempting to undermine us as snobbish people who don’t see the big picture and who don’t care about world hunger.

This week, they’ve upped their game.  Mysterious things have been occurring on the social networks: posts have disappeared, some posts are hidden from the timelines of readers, and trolls abound on pages promoting this weekend’s March Against Monsanto, happening worldwide on May 25.
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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #21908766 - 07/07/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

"toxic seeds and deadly farming methods":burke:

Could you find a less objective source?


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    #21908842 - 07/07/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm fairly certain that the smith-mundt act was repealed so they CAN propagandize within the US borders.  I believe the reasoning for the repeal was due to the fact that many foreign nationals live inside the US so we have to propagandize them, right?


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    #21909121 - 07/07/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm fairly certain that the smith-mundt act was repealed so they CAN propagandize within the US borders.  I believe the reasoning for the repeal was due to the fact that many foreign nationals live inside the US so we have to propagandize them, right?




I think it has much more to do with Americans, the feds have been looking at us with shifty eyes since Waco.


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21909283 - 07/07/15 11:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm fairly certain that the smith-mundt act was repealed so they CAN propagandize within the US borders.  I believe the reasoning for the repeal was due to the fact that many foreign nationals live inside the US so we have to propagandize them, right?




I think it has much more to do with Americans, the feds have been looking at us with shifty eyes since Waco.




I agree, but they used the foreign nationals as an excuse to repeal the act.  They can propagandize anyone they want now legally.


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    #21914450 - 07/08/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

To be fair, they always have.


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    #21914999 - 07/08/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Responsible Seal Harvesting

When people talk about saving baby seals, what they are really proposing is killing jobs.  Ecoterrorists would have you believe that they care about the feelings of animals who are probably going to get eaten by orcas or sharks anyway.  What they actually want is for the hardworking men and women of the seal harvesting industry to become unemployed welfare recipients so that they can gain some more dependent voters to bolster their leftist cause.  Thomas Moore, the true father of communism, also found hunting and slaughter of animals to be distasteful, so you can see that this agenda goes all the way back to the 16th century! How long are they gonna keep trying to push this liberal animal rights agenda on an unwilling public? you would think that these socialist bullies would get the message after 500 years!




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    #21924414 - 07/10/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm sure he Koch bros (and their billionaire buddies) have plenty of paid internet shills of their own.




yeah, and it's a mixed bag too. i generally disagree with everything the kochs stand for, but radley balko is a bad ass. he writes for the (ironically-named) cato institute as well as the washington post. balko wrote one of the most interesting books on our police state titled rise of the warrior cop that is a must read for every american citizen.


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    #21925742 - 07/10/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Responsible Seal Harvesting

When people talk about saving baby seals, what they are really proposing is killing jobs.  Ecoterrorists would have you believe that they care about the feelings of animals who are probably going to get eaten by orcas or sharks anyway.  What they actually want is for the hardworking men and women of the seal harvesting industry to become unemployed welfare recipients so that they can gain some more dependent voters to bolster their leftist cause.  Thomas Moore, the true father of communism, also found hunting and slaughter of animals to be distasteful, so you can see that this agenda goes all the way back to the 16th century! How long are they gonna keep trying to push this liberal animal rights agenda on an unwilling public? you would think that these socialist bullies would get the message after 500 years!




:lol: well I'll be damned I didn't know that




You should read Utopia. its one of the central themes.  Moore believed that killing and butchering animals developed a callousness in people that often blossomed into cruelty.  In Utopia, the citizens don't do that sort of thing and are sheltered from it by having bondsmen(slaves, though in his conception, they were treated quite well) to do it for them.


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    #21926056 - 07/10/15 08:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm amazed at the prospect that killing seals would provide that many jobs. I guess behind every lie, is a little bit of truth. Just like for every broken clock, is a truth that twice a day the time is right. Even trickle down theory, isn't entirely bullshit. Rich people do spend money

Where exactly are "seal products" sold anyway. Whenever we get into the arguments of economics people always talk about "creating jobs" but always leave out efficiency in spending. A job created today that's lost in two weeks is worst then 800 jobs created next year that everyone keeps.

Example: said store front retail/restaurant goes up. The place cannot sell as much food as the equivalent of their lease. Too much overhead + not enough sales = bankrupted in two months

So to close this explanation, how useful are jobs that in total leave those finding more jobs, and waste the resources it took to create them in the 1st place?

How useful is the "seal market"? Is the expenditure of effort and resources worth the value of the seal? Sorry to re vamp the age old gay "let's look at the numbers to answer this question" argument, but if we are arguing the value of killing seals now to create jobs, why not argue the value of killing people while in the military to create jobs? Which is almost surely, a much much better market


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    #21926088 - 07/10/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:shrug:
i don't actually give a shit about who kills seals or not to be honest. i just wrote that to be humorous.
but i put some true stuff in there, like the bit about Moore.


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    #21926283 - 07/10/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm amazed at the prospect that killing seals would provide that many jobs. I guess behind every lie, is a little bit of truth. Just like for every broken clock, is a truth that twice a day the time is right. Even trickle down theory, isn't entirely bullshit. Rich people do spend money

Where exactly are "seal products" sold anyway. Whenever we get into the arguments of economics people always talk about "creating jobs" but always leave out efficiency in spending. A job created today that's lost in two weeks is worst then 800 jobs created next year that everyone keeps.

Example: said store front retail/restaurant goes up. The place cannot sell as much food as the equivalent of their lease. Too much overhead + not enough sales = bankrupted in two months

So to close this explanation, how useful are jobs that in total leave those finding more jobs, and waste the resources it took to create them in the 1st place?

How useful is the "seal market"? Is the expenditure of effort and resources worth the value of the seal? Sorry to re vamp the age old gay "let's look at the numbers to answer this question" argument, but if we are arguing the value of killing seals now to create jobs, why not argue the value of killing people while in the military to create jobs? Which is almost surely, a much much better market




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    #21926984 - 07/11/15 01:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yes. I thought the hilarity of trying to answer the question might add to the irony.


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    #21926993 - 07/11/15 01:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Government Trolls [Re: imachavel]
    #21932143 - 07/12/15 05:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm amazed at the prospect that killing seals would provide that many jobs. I guess behind every lie, is a little bit of truth. Just like for every broken clock, is a truth that twice a day the time is right. Even trickle down theory, isn't entirely bullshit. Rich people do spend money

Where exactly are "seal products" sold anyway.






There is no need for quotes. I don't understand the question. Seal skin jackets are sold in clothing stores, seal skin wallets in department stores etc. Of course you are ignorant of how many jobs are being lost here, you don't live in the Arctic. Your info comes from Celebs and other over emotional city dwellers. Could you stop acting like your total ignorance is some kind of virtue here though? 
There was just a story about the issue today. 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/rod-stewart-gets-fitted-for-sealskin-coat-in-st-john-s-1.3148213

Scroll down to comments section in that. The people making pro sealing comments, which is of course the majority, are not paid shills. They are regular Canadians. Posting histories will show its just a bunch of people with diverse opinions. The idea we are all shills is idiotic. Plus what kind of government employee gets up at 430 AM and rushes out to comment on a story? They are sleeping now, this isn't some 24 hour a day operation, shills are deployed when it's in the governments interest. Sealing is a joke compared to oil industry or banking. You are far more likely to find shills (government or private industry) on those stories.
PS I believe there are government shills online, lots of them. Lots hired by private industry like oil companies too. They are not very effective though. Things like drug legalization are happening no matter what, it can't be stopped via propaganda anymore. IMO planted made up drug stories like the bath salt cannibal are much more effective at shifting opinions. You don't don't need shills you get the population to do it all for you. You just plant a story and it's done. My pot using friends think bath salts can turn you into a zombie and had no problem with them being banned. Kind of scary everyone fell for that crap. Fake planted stories designed to shift opinions are better than shills in my opinion.


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    #21932452 - 07/12/15 08:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Shilling isn't effective?

Exxon knew about their company's direct role in climate change as early as 1981, then funded denial efforts.

So, how many people in this country accept man's role in climate change 34 years later? Just over half.


It's the same game as cigarettes. Imagine spending some money to convince the public that the negatives associated with your business are simply made up. Then imagine half the fucking people believe you for decades.


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    #21932610 - 07/12/15 09:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So I was reading Heather Callaghan’s article, “Monsanto Teaching a Health Class In a School Near You?” published earlier today at Activist Post, which begins, “I’m retelling this story not to cause sheer outrage or bring down shame and fire on one school in one instance, but to let you know definitively that Monsanto representatives could visit a school near you to teach a class…”

Scrolling down to see what people thought of this glorious new development in genetically modified propaganda, I noticed a very angry man in the comments section going by the name “Michael Stephens” thought long and hard about Callaghan’s piece and had quite a lot to say:http://www.thedailysheeple.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/mstephens1.jpg
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    #21932652 - 07/12/15 09:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Monsanto has revolutionized farming techniques and the ag field in general.  It's good to see that industry leaders are finally involved in educating people.  The public needs to stop being afraid of technology.


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    #21932691 - 07/12/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Was the public afraid when Phillip Morris was educating people about their revolutionary safe cigarettes?


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    #21932727 - 07/12/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Did Philip Morris make safe cigarettes?  I'm not a smoker, so I don't keep up on news about cigarettes.  Do you have a link?


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    #21932900 - 07/12/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Did Philip Morris make safe cigarettes?  I'm not a smoker, so I don't keep up on news about cigarettes.  Do you have a link?




Just get all your information on the safety of cigarettes from the cigarette salesmen, they're the authority.

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    #21932906 - 07/12/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

While you're at it, base your opinion of the 2nd amendment on the interpretations of gun store owners.


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    #21933166 - 07/12/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Just get all your information on the safety of cigarettes from the cigarette salesmen, they're the authority.

Don't be afraid.



I'm not afraid of cigarettes.  There is plenty of information about them in peer-reviewed journals, and they appear to be perfectly safe as long as you don't inhale any fumes from them while they're burning.

I don't see how any of this is relevant, though.  It's not like Monsanto is out there saying that their product is safe and peer-reviewed articles say otherwise.  The scientific consensus is pretty clear that they're safe.  Why shouldn't Monsanto be proud of that fact and spread that information.  They're doing a great job, apparently.


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    #21933323 - 07/12/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You're missing the point completely.

What we know now about cigarettes isn't what we knew 75 years ago.

What we know now about climate change isn't what we knew 35 years ago.


I think Exxon is a company that's pretty good at making money,  I doubt they'd be burning it in a garbage can labelled "disinformation campaign" if it wasn't helping their bottom line.

I don't think Monsanto is any dumber than Exxon.


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    #21933441 - 07/12/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not sure what the point is.  Monsanto's products have been used for many years, and there's no indication that they're causing any health problems.  Why wouldn't they be proud of that?  Why wouldn't they want to spread that information?  More importantly, why wouldn't you want to know that information and have it spread?


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    #21933478 - 07/12/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You're assuming all PR is benevolent, and you know better.


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Just get all your information on the safety of cigarettes from the cigarette salesmen, they're the authority.

Don't be afraid.



I'm not afraid of cigarettes.  There is plenty of information about them in peer-reviewed journals, and they appear to be perfectly safe as long as you don't inhale any fumes from them while they're burning.

I don't see how any of this is relevant, though.  It's not like Monsanto is out there saying that their product is safe and peer-reviewed articles say otherwise.  The scientific consensus is pretty clear that they're safe.  Why shouldn't Monsanto be proud of that fact and spread that information.  They're doing a great job, apparently.




You know, GMO's are one area where I believe liberals get it wrong. While I certainly believe we should monitor their products and ensure safety, once that safety has been established, I think we should head the evidence.

We cannot laugh at conservative folks for denying the overwhelming evidence for climate change, and proclaiming some enormous conspiracy on behalf of the scientific community, while simultaneously doing the same for GMO's.

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    #21933545 - 07/12/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Woofy, that is because liberals believe everything the media tells them therefore they accept the safety of gmo's which has not been established. Conservatives and moderates (like me) know the media is a bunch of lying assholes and want proof. I'd say climate change is already upon us and the hotter weather in recent years, more extreme storms and even more extreme cold all testify to that. The jury is still out on long term trends.


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    #21933634 - 07/12/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Shilling isn't effective?

Exxon knew about their company's direct role in climate change as early as 1981, then funded denial efforts.

So, how many people in this country accept man's role in climate change 34 years later? Just over half.


It's the same game as cigarettes. Imagine spending some money to convince the public that the negatives associated with your business are simply made up. Then imagine half the fucking people believe you for decades.





Ok TYT.

the article and emails do not say all that bullshit you just parrotes from the young turks. 

What They say is that exxon did an environmental impact assessment, which is completely normal.

The field they were assessing contained a lot of co2.

the idiot libs are twisting it to mean that since it was co2 and they were doing a routine environmental assessment then somehow THEREFORE they knew about CO2 induced climate change.

this is a massive leap in logic, typical of those lobs make, in order to push the lib agenda, but the emIls don't say anything close to that.


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    #21933663 - 07/12/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Woofy, that is because liberals believe everything the media tells them therefore they accept the safety of gmo's which has not been established. Conservatives and moderates (like me) know the media is a bunch of lying assholes and want proof. I'd say climate change is already upon us and the hotter weather in recent years, more extreme storms and even more extreme cold all testify to that. The jury is still out on long term trends.





I'm pretty sure you have this backwards. Liberals tend to be anti-GMO and believe that global warming exists. The scientific consensus is that GMOs are safe and that global warming is at least partially anthropogenic. The dichotomy is that liberals believe the scientific community in the latter case, but reject scientific consensus in the former.


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    #21933681 - 07/12/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Jesus christ, the globe has not warmed in 17+ years.  Global warming was debunked.  "Climate change" is the new thing now because global warming doesn't exist anymore.  Why do you guys insist on pushing an imaginary narrative?  The 90's are over and the warming trend of the 70's-90's reversed.  The globe has slghtly cooled ever since the 90's!


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    #21933689 - 07/12/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Woofy, that is because liberals believe everything the media tells them therefore they accept the safety of gmo's which has not been established. Conservatives and moderates (like me) know the media is a bunch of lying assholes and want proof. I'd say climate change is already upon us and the hotter weather in recent years, more extreme storms and even more extreme cold all testify to that. The jury is still out on long term trends.





I'm pretty sure you have this backwards. Liberals tend to be anti-GMO and believe that global warming exists. The scientific consensus is that GMOs are safe and that global warming is at least partially anthropogenic. The dichotomy is that liberals believe the scientific community in the latter case, but reject scientific consensus in the former.




That's exactly what I was thinking lol. As I said, I believe the GMO issue is one area where Liberals get things wrong. However, I understand their desire to have GMO's labeled, but I think that is a separate issue. I am really not trying to get into that discussion in this thread, regardless. It's already been beaten to death on this forum.

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    #21933695 - 07/12/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Jesus christ, the globe has not warmed in 17+ years.  Global warming was debunked.  "Climate change" is the new thing now because global warming doesn't exist anymore.  Why do you guys insist on pushing an imaginary narrative?  The 90's are over and the warming trend of the 70's-90's reversed.  The globe has slghtly cooled ever since the 90's!




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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Shins]
    #21933702 - 07/12/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Jesus christ, the globe has not warmed in 17  years.  Global warming was debunked.  "Climate change" is the new thing now because global warming doesn't exist anymore.  Why do you guys insist on pushing an imaginary narrative?  The 90's are over and the warming trend of the 70's-90's reversed.  The globe has slghtly cooled ever since the 90's!



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Jesus christ, the globe has not warmed in 17+ years.  Global warming was debunked.  "Climate change" is the new thing now because global warming doesn't exist anymore.  Why do you guys insist on pushing an imaginary narrative?  The 90's are over and the warming trend of the 70's-90's reversed.  The globe has slghtly cooled ever since the 90's!




No need for us to debate this in two places. I responded to this exact claim just now. The most recent data show temperatures following the same trend since the 50s.

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    #21933720 - 07/12/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Shilling isn't effective?

Exxon knew about their company's direct role in climate change as early as 1981, then funded denial efforts.

So, how many people in this country accept man's role in climate change 34 years later? Just over half.


It's the same game as cigarettes. Imagine spending some money to convince the public that the negatives associated with your business are simply made up. Then imagine half the fucking people believe you for decades.





Ok TYT.

the article and emails do not say all that bullshit you just parrotes from the young turks. 

What They say is that exxon did an environmental impact assessment, which is completely normal.

The field they were assessing contained a lot of co2.

the idiot libs are twisting it to mean that since it was co2 and they were doing a routine environmental assessment then somehow THEREFORE they knew about CO2 induced climate change.

this is a massive leap in logic, typical of those lobs make, in order to push the lib agenda, but the emIls don't say anything close to that.




The article is from the Guardian, which you'd know if you bothered to click the link.


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    #21933728 - 07/12/15 02:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

What I am is irrelevant. 

What matters is that the data shows a global warming "hiatus" since 1998.

look at the data, fool.  Quit politicizing it.  You were wrong, you invested your ego into and now your ego persists even though the data has changed.

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    #21933749 - 07/12/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Once again. The newest data published just this year suggests there is no hiatus and never was one. Please see the post I made in response to you in the other thread (linked above) and I encourage you to read the study, it's quite interesting.


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    #21933759 - 07/12/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You mean the guardian link posted in the description of the TYT video you watched?  I watched it too and you pretty much just parroted what they said.

here's the video;




the video came out yesterday.

the guardian article came out on the 8th, 4 days ago.

the timing of your post shows you are parroting the video, so quit being disingenuous,  just admit you took them on their word and did not dig deeper and review the emails.

i watched the video too, but unlike you I was smart enough to detect the blatant twisting of facts they did so I dug deeper and lo and nehold, TYT was bullshitting, as usual.


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    #21933773 - 07/12/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Once again. The newest data published just this year suggests there is no hiatus and never was one. Please see the post I made in response to you in the other thread (linked above) and I encourage you to read the study, it's quite interesting.





The data was showing a cooling trend so they "revised the data sets"  that is politically driven crock "science"

the data was not showimg them what they wanted to see so they changed the data ex post facto to fit with their desired narrative.

based on the former data sets, the globe has been cooling, and continues to cool since 1998.



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    #21933787 - 07/12/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you read the paper, you'd see that there were physical reasons for each approximation and adjustment made. The reasons are clearly explained and well founded. You are certainly entitled to believe what you want, but I would hope that you would at least examine contradicting evidence before outright dismissing it. Ignoring data that contradicts your worldview does not make you more right.


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    #21933813 - 07/12/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If you read the paper, you'd see that there were physical reasons for each approximation and adjustment made. The reasons are clearly explained and well founded. You are certainly entitled to believe what you want, but I would hope that you would at least examine contradicting evidence before outright dismissing it. Ignoring data that contradicts your worldview does not make you more right.





They only started to add those AFTER the data started to show cooling.  They added other "adjustments" IN RESPONSE to the cooling trend in order to force the models to align with the political narrative.

they were perfectly happy with the former data sets when they were showing them the data they wanted to see, they only changed the data sets once the data contradicted the political narrative.

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    #21933955 - 07/12/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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What I am is irrelevant. 

What matters is that the data shows a global warming "hiatus" since 1998.

look at the data, fool.  Quit politicizing it.  You were wrong, you invested your ego into and now your ego persists even though the data has changed.

once again libs are just ignoring data that contradicts how they FEEL.




what hiatus? That stupid cooling trend link that gets passed around is confirmed horseshit.

I think I'll side with the vast majority, you can keep parroting the corporate denial narrative if you want. I'm sure history will smile on you.


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    #21934256 - 07/12/15 04:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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What I am is irrelevant. 

What matters is that the data shows a global warming "hiatus" since 1998.

look at the data, fool.  Quit politicizing it.  You were wrong, you invested your ego into and now your ego persists even though the data has changed.

once again libs are just ignoring data that contradicts how they FEEL.




when you put a glass of ice water outside on a hot day, what happens?  if you said:"the ice melts" congratulations, you are correct.  What happens to the water when the ice melts? if you said:"it gets colder" congratulations, you are correct. What happens, when there isn't anymore ice to melt? if you said:"the water begins to warm" congratulations, you are correct.


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    #21935721 - 07/13/15 12:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If you read the paper, you'd see that there were physical reasons for each approximation and adjustment made. The reasons are clearly explained and well founded. You are certainly entitled to believe what you want, but I would hope that you would at least examine contradicting evidence before outright dismissing it. Ignoring data that contradicts your worldview does not make you more right.





They only started to add those AFTER the data started to show cooling.  They added other "adjustments" IN RESPONSE to the cooling trend in order to force the models to align with the political narrative.

they were perfectly happy with the former data sets when they were showing them the data they wanted to see, they only changed the data sets once the data contradicted the political narrative.

those are extremely poor controls for so called scientists.




Again, youre dismissing data without having even read the paper. You are assuming that the data are faulty, but you don't know the first thing about them, and therefore, are in no position to make any sorts of judgements. It's a textbook example of someone ignoring information that doesn't agree with their world view.


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    #21946540 - 07/15/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm not sure what the point is.  Monsanto's products have been used for many years, and there's no indication that they're causing any health problems.  Why wouldn't they be proud of that?  Why wouldn't they want to spread that information?  More importantly, why wouldn't you want to know that information and have it spread?




Agent Orange—or Herbicide Orange (HO)—is one of the herbicides and defoliants used by the U.S. military as part of its herbicidal warfare program, Operation Ranch Hand,[1] during the Vietnam War from 1961 to 1971.[2] It was a mixture of equal parts of two herbicides, 2,4,5-T and 2,4-D.

Investigation of health effects
Serious health symptoms reported in 1977 by veterans of the Vietnam War spurred both the White House and the Veterans Administration (VA) to institute studies to evaluate the possible long-term health effects of herbicides and contaminants.
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The government of Vietnam says that 4 million of its citizens were exposed to Agent Orange, and as many as 3 million have suffered illnesses because of it; these figures include the children of people who were exposed.[57] The Red Cross of Vietnam estimates that up to 1 million people are disabled or have health problems due to contaminated Agent Orange.[58] The United States government has challenged these figures as being unreliable.[59]

Agent Orange was manufactured for the U.S. Department of Defense primarily by Monsanto Corporation and Dow Chemical
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    #21946856 - 07/15/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It amazes me people still say their products are safe when its been proved over and over that they are not.


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    #21946907 - 07/15/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Who is saying that agent orange is safe?


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    #21946938 - 07/15/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Who is saying that agent orange is safe?




Lmao... nobody. This is what we call a 'strawman', in its truest form!


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Speaking of strawman, I said nothing about agent orange. Take a dose of your own medicine, woofed.


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    #21947911 - 07/15/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Speaking of strawman, I said nothing about agent orange. Take a dose of your own medicine, woofed.




You were replying to a post discussing agent orange and its safety. How was anyone to know you meant a completely unrelated product and its safety when you reply to that post?


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Speaking of strawman, I said nothing about agent orange. Take a dose of your own medicine, woofed.




You were replying to a post discussing agent orange and its safety. How was anyone to know you meant a completely unrelated product and its safety when you reply to that post?




Maybe because I said "their products" not agent orange?


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    #21947957 - 07/15/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So, other than agent orange, what products of theirs have been proven not to be safe?


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    #21947969 - 07/15/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Agent orange is one of their products. I had assumed you wouldn't make a sweeping generalization about all their products and not provide any evidence to back it up. My mistake, next time I won't make such assumptions.


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    #21948132 - 07/15/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Agent orange is one of their products. I had assumed you wouldn't make a sweeping generalization about all their products and not provide any evidence to back it up. My mistake, next time I won't make such assumptions.




By that criteria we'd have to eliminate all drug companies too...


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    #21948281 - 07/15/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well we've got roundup which is known to be toxic, just about everything else is too.


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    #21948780 - 07/15/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So, other than agent orange, what products of theirs have been proven not to be safe?



I thought that I had posted a link for all of the products monsanto had covered up to not let the public to know about them.


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    #21948791 - 07/15/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Good post, doug. Let the shills chew on that for a while.


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Was agent orange ever proven to not be safe?

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I never saw a Chinese stripper before either, they must not exist.




you've been missing out




I notice that quite a few male liberals tend to be into darker-skinned females/minority females, like the Asians, the Iranians, Jews..etc etc.  You people's genetics are faulty and you are mentally ill for not being attracted to white girls, who are the most beautiful


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I never saw a Chinese stripper before either, they must not exist.




you've been missing out



white "men" (i use this word very loosely) like you are sexually deviant and must be destroyed so that you dont spread your filthy, defective genes.

I notice that quite a few male liberals tend to be into darker-skinned females/minority females, like the Asians, the Iranians, Jews..etc etc.  You people's genetics are faulty and you are mentally ill for not being attracted to white girls, who are the most beautiful




Mmm, I'll take a tasty piece of middle-eastern ass any day.

You really take racism to a whole new level lmao... you're supposed to be subtle, and deny it, like Stonehenge.


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Mmm, I'll take a tasty piece of middle-eastern ass any day.

You really take racism to a whole new level lmao... you're supposed to be subtle, and deny it, like Stonehenge.




If you breed with a middle-eastern woman, your children will be mongrels, much like your half-Kuwait brother.  Do you want your children to go through the kind of things that he went through?

I still stand by what I say.  White girls are the most beautiful of them all, and for a bona-fide white man to be attracted to dark-skinned women, there must be something wrong with him, if not physically, then mentally.


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    #21949213 - 07/15/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So, following that line, you wouldn't have any interest in dating a white man, would you? Compromising his lineage, and mongrelizing his children? Aside from that, if he were interested in you, he must be defective.


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Quit stirring things up, woofed.


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    #21949229 - 07/15/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So, following that line, you wouldn't have any interest in dating a white man, would you? Compromising his lineage, and mongrelizing his children? Aside from that, if he were interested in you, he must be defective.



I could purchase the eggs of a pure white woman and then fuse them with his sperm.  That way I would be able to produce pure white children for him.  And yes, in a sense, any white man who is interested in me must have something wrong with him.  But all this is not important.  I don't really have that much interest in white men anymore.  I will most likely stay single for the rest of my life.

But let's not get side-tracked.  You still havent answered me whether you intend to breed with a dark-skinned woman.  You don't want to make your children mongrels, do you? Think of your half-Kuwaiti brother's struggles.


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So, following that line, you wouldn't have any interest in dating a white man, would you? Compromising his lineage, and mongrelizing his children? Aside from that, if he were interested in you, he must be defective.



I could purchase the eggs of a pure white woman and then fuse them with his sperm.  That way I would be able to produce pure white children for him.  And yes, in a sense, any white man who is interested in me must have something wrong with him.  But all this is not important.  I don't really have that much interest in white men anymore.  I will most likely stay single for the rest of my life.

But let's not get side-tracked.  You still havent answered me whether you intend to breed with a dark-skinned woman.  You don't want to make your children mongrels, do you? Think of your half-Kuwaiti brother's struggles.




I don't intend to procreate. However, if I did, I would prefer a middle-eastern woman :wink:

They are beatiful!


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    #21949243 - 07/15/15 08:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quit stirring things up, woofed.




This crazy lady is stirring shit up, bro... wtf!?! Lmao


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WAN said:
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So, following that line, you wouldn't have any interest in dating a white man, would you? Compromising his lineage, and mongrelizing his children? Aside from that, if he were interested in you, he must be defective.



I could purchase the eggs of a pure white woman and then fuse them with his sperm.  That way I would be able to produce pure white children for him.  And yes, in a sense, any white man who is interested in me must have something wrong with him.  But all this is not important.  I don't really have that much interest in white men anymore.  I will most likely stay single for the rest of my life.

But let's not get side-tracked.  You still havent answered me whether you intend to breed with a dark-skinned woman.  You don't want to make your children mongrels, do you? Think of your half-Kuwaiti brother's struggles.




I don't intend to procreate. However, if I did, I would prefer a middle-eastern woman :wink:

They are beatiful!




You are mentally ill.


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    #21949251 - 07/15/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That case could certainly be made, but not on the basis of your argument! Lol


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    #21949274 - 07/15/15 08:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I like the looks of some Asian women myself. Beauty is in the eye and mind of the beholder.

Woof, do you believe in equality of opportunity for everyone?


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That case could certainly be made, but not on the basis of your argument! Lol




what am I thinking?  I should really try to encourage you on your decision not to breed.  we don't need more mentally deranged liberals like you.

you can take your dark-meat fetish to your grave with you.  this way, society wins.


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    #21949285 - 07/15/15 08:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Wan, I know you are new here but I think you should know they discourage sharp words like that. I agree with you on many things but lets take a deep breath everyone, ok?


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    #21949306 - 07/15/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Good god you're such a troll!!! Lmao

I'm just going to let this discussion lie. There's no sense in it, really. Also, consider yourself ignored. If the shroomery won't permaban you, I can at least remove you from cluttering up my screen with nonsense.


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    #21949320 - 07/15/15 08:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You were trolling her too, you know you were. Lol at woof for complaining about being trolled.


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    #21949328 - 07/15/15 08:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hardly.


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    #21949563 - 07/15/15 09:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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ballsalsa said:
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The Ecstatic said:
I never saw a Chinese stripper before either, they must not exist.




you've been missing out




I notice that quite a few male liberals tend to be into darker-skinned females/minority females, like the Asians, the Iranians, Jews..etc etc.  You people's genetics are faulty and you are mentally ill for not being attracted to white girls, who are the most beautiful




who said anything about not being attracted to white girls?  I'm attracted to attractive girls :shrug:
I've dated white girls, asian girls, latin girls, hell, my GF right now has ancestry from all those roots. Her Dad's parents were Norwegian, and her Mom's parents were mexican/japanese and mexican/american white(northern european?)
Our children will be statuesque golden skinned post-humans!
seriously though, if you think think being blonde/white is what makes a person attractive, you have to expand your horizens. Nature is about diversity. Diversity is what allows life to keep on truckin no matter what comes along to fuck things up. why would humans be the exception to that rule?  I'm not gonna link a bunch of longwinded shit right now(because your attention span is too short anyway) but you should google "hybrid vigor" or "heterosis"


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    #21950127 - 07/16/15 12:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, I dated a white girl in my early 20's... she was stunning.. my current gf's lineage is from all over the place, but she's has a year round tan.


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WAN said:
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So, following that line, you wouldn't have any interest in dating a white man, would you? Compromising his lineage, and mongrelizing his children? Aside from that, if he were interested in you, he must be defective.



I could purchase the eggs of a pure white woman and then fuse them with his sperm.  That way I would be able to produce pure white children for him.  And yes, in a sense, any white man who is interested in me must have something wrong with him.  But all this is not important.  I don't really have that much interest in white men anymore.  I will most likely stay single for the rest of my life.

But let's not get side-tracked.  You still havent answered me whether you intend to breed with a dark-skinned woman.  You don't want to make your children mongrels, do you? Think of your half-Kuwaiti brother's struggles.




I don't intend to procreate. However, if I did, I would prefer a middle-eastern woman :wink:

They are beatiful!




You are mentally ill.







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    #21951640 - 07/16/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, like one of those ladies :wink:

WAN is just a race baiting asshole. Of course dark skinned women are sexy!


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    #21954049 - 07/16/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

WAN actually seems like a smart girl that is just terribly misguided.
She's really super obsessed with the whole blonde thing, which leads me to believe that she maybe has some self-esteem issues(maybe a hot blonde fucked her boyfriend or something i dunno). either way, she is at least willing to debate, which means that there is some hope for her yet.  Anyone with intellectual integrity will eventually back off from an opinion if presented with enough evidence to the contrary.  I like to believe that WAN is no different.


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    #21954104 - 07/16/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

exactly how that stupid Rebel flag shit escalated out of no where!



the first time I saw the article about the church and only 9 were killed!
my thoughts were...."this is a set-up!"

reasons, initially, I  figured .... were Gun-Control


but now I it seems like its about Identifying  the Real/Proud American's who will actually(not saying those who don't fly Rebel colors aren't Real or Proud Americans.....before any haters/trolls come out of the wood work )  stand up  against tyranny...

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    #21954130 - 07/16/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The flag isn't being banned. There was no conspiracy. This was a lone racist gun nut.


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Quote:

WAN said:
Quote:

ballsalsa said:
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The Ecstatic said:
I never saw a Chinese stripper before either, they must not exist.




you've been missing out




I notice that quite a few male liberals tend to be into darker-skinned females/minority females, like the Asians, the Iranians, Jews..etc etc.  You people's genetics are faulty and you are mentally ill for not being attracted to white girls, who are the most beautiful




who said anything about not being attracted to white girls?  I'm attracted to attractive girls :shrug:
I've dated white girls, asian girls, latin girls, hell, my GF right now has ancestry from all those roots. Her Dad's parents were Norwegian, and her Mom's parents were mexican/japanese and mexican/american white(northern european?)
Our children will be statuesque golden skinned post-humans!
seriously though, if you think think being blonde/white is what makes a person attractive, you have to expand your horizens. Nature is about diversity. Diversity is what allows life to keep on truckin no matter what comes along to fuck things up. why would humans be the exception to that rule?  I'm not gonna link a bunch of longwinded shit right now(because your attention span is too short anyway) but you should google "hybrid vigor" or "heterosis"



You are free to race-mix your own unique set of DNAs out of existence, just don't go around accusing normal folks (read: WHITE ones, whom I suspect you secretly hate, for some reason) of being "racist" for not doing the same.

Also, none of your mongrelized, dark-skinned, quasi-spic offspring will compare to a pure-blooded Aryan, and I know this kills you.

Also, funny you should mention "diversity".  If all race-mixing demogagues like you have your way and all white people race-mix, there will ironically be LESS diversity.  Genes for blond, red hair, genes are blue or green eyes, these are recessive and will be submerged in a pool of yellow, brown, and black.  Of course for someone who hates white people such as you this is good, for for others, namely normal white folks, this is a fate that should be avoided.


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    #21957225 - 07/17/15 05:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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WAN actually seems like a smart girl that is just terribly misguided.
She's really super obsessed with the whole blonde thing, which leads me to believe that she maybe has some self-esteem issues(maybe a hot blonde fucked her boyfriend or something i dunno). either way, she is at least willing to debate, which means that there is some hope for her yet.  Anyone with intellectual integrity will eventually back off from an opinion if presented with enough evidence to the contrary.  I like to believe that WAN is no different.




Taking cheap shots at me like that...are all race-mixing liberals as disgusting as you?


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You are free to race-mix your own unique set of DNAs out of existence, just don't go around accusing normal folks (read: WHITE ones, whom I suspect you secretly hate, for some reason) of being "racist" for not doing the same.

Also, none of your mongrelized, dark-skinned, quasi-spic offspring will compare to a pure-blooded Aryan, and I know this kills you.




first of all, "race-mixing" doesn't remove your DNA from existence. i'm not sure where you got that idea. 

second, i don't hate white folks. I am white, as are my entire family and i love them.  i don't hate anyone based on their genetics. There are some cultures that i am not terribly fond of, but culture and genes are very different things.

Third, i don't think it is racist to have an attraction to a particular archetype, or a lack thereof.  so, i say you are free to reproduce with who you wish, as am i, as is everyone.

Finally, I don't put much stock in the idea of an Aryan Übermensch, after all, if those Supermen were really that great, they wouldn't have failed so miserably at subjugating the Untermenschen(sub-humans)

Look at what happened to those Übermenschen when Attila came to visit.

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    #21957371 - 07/17/15 06:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You are free to race-mix your own unique set of DNAs out of existence, just don't go around accusing normal folks (read: WHITE ones, whom I suspect you secretly hate, for some reason) of being "racist" for not doing the same.

Also, none of your mongrelized, dark-skinned, quasi-spic offspring will compare to a pure-blooded Aryan, and I know this kills you.




first of all, "race-mixing" doesn't remove your DNA from existence. i'm not sure where you got that idea. 




Maybe your genes will still persist, however your unique phenotype will not, because your mestizo would-be wife has genes that are dominant over yours.  Tens of thousands of years of evolution, gone in one generation.  You have forever muddled up your unique genetic legacy with the dirty blood of the sub-human.


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second, i don't hate white folks. I am white, as are my entire family and i love them.  i don't hate anyone based on their genetics. There are some cultures that i am not terribly fond of, but culture and genes are very different things.




Nobody is asking you to "hate" people based on their genetics.  I am just saying that if you want to race-mix and destroy your unique look forever, do so quietly, in the confines of your bedroom.  Just don't go and parade around and encourage other normal white folks to do the same.  Some of us really like the whole blond/red-haired, blue/green-eyed thing.  And yes, people like you are guilty of trying to make people feel bad about wanting to preserve their own unique looks.  It's not enough that your children are mongrels, you want everybody's children to be mongrels, too.

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Third, i don't think it is racist to have an attraction to a particular archetype, or a lack thereof.  so, i say you are free to reproduce with who you wish, as am i, as is everyone.




YOu do more than just "being free to reproduce with who you wish", though.  You act like all other white people should do the same, and if they don't want to, you call them names like "racist", "bigoted"...etc etc.  You people are bullies.

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Finally, I don't put much stock in the idea of an Aryan Übermensch, after all, if those Supermen were really that great, they wouldn't have failed so miserably at subjugating the Untermenschen(sub-humans)

Look at what happened to those Übermenschen when Attila came to visit.

Look at what happened to the Übermenschen when Peter the Great decided to get the cossacks together




I don't consider the ability to subjugate others to be a defining trait of a people (or as you would like to call them, ubermenschen).  In fact, I believe that the Germans'/Aryans' inability to subjugate others shows that they are tender-hearted people, which is the true, defining, most salient trait of a Ubermensch.

funny how you seem to think the ability to terrorize and subjugate is so important.  Tells us a lot about how your mind works.

Also, did you see this:

Also, funny you should mention "diversity".  If all race-mixing demogagues like you have your way and all white people race-mix, there will ironically be LESS diversity.  Genes for blond, red hair, genes are blue or green eyes, these are recessive and will be submerged in a pool of yellow, brown, and black.  Of course for someone who hates white people such as you this is good, for for others, namely normal white folks, this is a fate that should be avoided.


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    #21957387 - 07/17/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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WAN actually seems like a smart girl that is just terribly misguided.
She's really super obsessed with the whole blonde thing, which leads me to believe that she maybe has some self-esteem issues(maybe a hot blonde fucked her boyfriend or something i dunno). either way, she is at least willing to debate, which means that there is some hope for her yet.  Anyone with intellectual integrity will eventually back off from an opinion if presented with enough evidence to the contrary.  I like to believe that WAN is no different.




Taking cheap shots at me like that...are all race-mixing liberals as disgusting as you?




I am sorry if i offended you, but i was just expressing my honest impression.
you have repeatedly mentioned your "raven-black hair" in a negative way for instance.  you called yourself ugly. you use skinny blondes as your only example of what is beautiful, and express disgust at the thought of a white man procreating outside of his race. Yet you claim that you wish you had had more opportunities to date white guys in college.  These are the things that led me to guess(and that's all it was, a guess) that perhaps you have had boyfriend(s) that cheated on you with white girl(s).  This isn't to imply any deficiency on your part, it was simply an attempt to rationalize your point of view from my point of view


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WAN actually seems like a smart girl that is just terribly misguided.
She's really super obsessed with the whole blonde thing, which leads me to believe that she maybe has some self-esteem issues(maybe a hot blonde fucked her boyfriend or something i dunno). either way, she is at least willing to debate, which means that there is some hope for her yet.  Anyone with intellectual integrity will eventually back off from an opinion if presented with enough evidence to the contrary.  I like to believe that WAN is no different.




Taking cheap shots at me like that...are all race-mixing liberals as disgusting as you?




I am sorry if i offended you, but i was just expressing my honest impression.
you have repeatedly mentioned your "raven-black hair" in a negative way for instance.  you called yourself ugly. you use skinny blondes as your only example of what is beautiful, and express disgust at the thought of a white man procreating outside of his race. Yet you claim that you wish you had had more opportunities to date white guys in college.  These are the things that led me to guess(and that's all it was, a guess) that perhaps you have had boyfriend(s) that cheated on you with white girl(s).  This isn't to imply any deficiency on your part, it was simply an attempt to rationalize your point of view from my point of view




Ok.  Well then to satisfy your curiosity, no, I have not had any boyfriend "stolen" from me by blond girls.  Now will you drop the whole psychoanalysis thing?  Its very annoying.


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She's a troll, just block her. I did, and it's working wonderfully! :smile:


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    #21957530 - 07/17/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Maybe your genes will still persist, however your unique phenotype will not, because your mestizo would-be wife has genes that are dominant over yours.  Tens of thousands of years of evolution, gone in one generation.  You have forever muddled up your unique genetic legacy with the dirty blood of the sub-human.




your logic is flawed. dominance doesn't imply a total suppression of recessive genes, only a statistical one.  Many traits are expressed through several genes.  I'm not consigning my hazel eyes to the ages, i'm just lowering the odds of hazel or blue eyes in my offspring, while simultaneously drastically increasing the odds of  violet eyes in my offspring from 0% to some tiny%. Furthermore, my families originated in england/ireland/scotland, and Italy.  So if anything, my GF's Father's Norwegian genes should be giving my kids a dose of some of that Aryan superiority you think exists.



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Third, i don't think it is racist to have an attraction to a particular archetype, or a lack thereof.  so, i say you are free to reproduce with who you wish, as am i, as is everyone.




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YOu do more than just "being free to reproduce with who you wish", though.  You act like all other white people should do the same, and if they don't want to, you call them names like "racist", "bigoted"...etc etc.  You people are bullies.







I should just let my statement stand, but i will clarify with an example.
example:I am not particularly attracted to black women.  I'm not disgusted by them or anything like that, i simply don't generally feel physical attraction for black girls.(notice i said generally)  I don't think that this makes me racist, just like i don't think it would make you racist to say that you don't find _____ people attractive. 


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funny how you seem to think the ability to terrorize and subjugate is so important.  Tells us a lot about how your mind works.




unfortunately, the ability to conquer and maintain dominance is the metric historically used to measure the worth of nations. Though i personally give more credit to those who can conquer with words and ideas, than to those who can only conquer through strength of arms.  Unfortunately for the Ubermenschen, their ideas were so bereft of value, their only hope was to try to conquer through force.

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Also, funny you should mention "diversity".  If all race-mixing demogagues like you have your way and all white people race-mix, there will ironically be LESS diversity.  Genes for blond, red hair, genes are blue or green eyes, these are recessive and will be submerged in a pool of yellow, brown, and black.  Of course for someone who hates white people such as you this is good, for for others, namely normal white folks, this is a fate that should be avoided.




I covered this already, but you are incorrect.  none of those genes will be "submerged" they will all still be there, sharing room with the others. the only thing affected will be the per person percentage chances of expressing a given gene.


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    #21957583 - 07/17/15 07:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Maybe your genes will still persist, however your unique phenotype will not, because your mestizo would-be wife has genes that are dominant over yours.  Tens of thousands of years of evolution, gone in one generation.  You have forever muddled up your unique genetic legacy with the dirty blood of the sub-human.




your logic is flawed. dominance doesn't imply a total suppression of recessive genes, only a statistical one.  Many traits are expressed through several genes.  I'm not consigning my hazel eyes to the ages, i'm just lowering the odds of hazel or blue eyes in my offspring, while simultaniously drastically increasing the odds of  violet eyes in my offspring from 0% to some tiny%. Furthermore, my families originated in england/ireland/scotland, and Italy.  So if anything, my GF's Father's Norwegian genes should be giving my kids a dose of some of that Aryan superiority you think exists.




That's only because your current GFs got some white ancestry.  But in our increasingly multi-cultural world, we get more and more PURE-BLOODED blacks, asians, and hispanics (whatever the fuck this group is called.  I don't give a shit), and these people all have overwhelmingly dominant genes, with black-haired, dark-browned eyes.  If race-mixing demogagues like you have your way and enough white peopel procreate with them, there will be increasingly fewer and fewer white people.  If this process is done "thoroughly" enough, there will be no more people with blond-haired, blue-eyed looks.  Even though there might be some throwback ones with the occasional blond-haired, blue-eyed look, the frequency of this happening is so low that it will be safe to say that white people have been erased.

I am also not sure what you were trying to say with this whole "statistical" nonsense.  My point stands.  Enough pure-blooded non-whites breeding with whites means there will be no more whites.

also, lol you got hazel eyes.  Gross.



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Third, i don't think it is racist to have an attraction to a particular archetype, or a lack thereof.  so, i say you are free to reproduce with who you wish, as am i, as is everyone.




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YOu do more than just "being free to reproduce with who you wish", though.  You act like all other white people should do the same, and if they don't want to, you call them names like "racist", "bigoted"...etc etc.  You people are bullies.




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I should just let my statement stand, but i will clarify with an example.
example:I am not particualrly attracted to black women.  I'm not disgusted by them or anything like that, i simply don't generally feel physical attraction for black girls.(notice i said generally)  I don't think that this makes me racist, just like i don't think it would make you racist to say that you don't find _____ people attractive. 




I will have to take your word for it.  So far the garbage coming from your crowd seems to me that you are making this whole race-mixing thing "cool", or "hip", and that you and your ilk are very ready to pounce on any resistant white folks by calling them racist.

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funny how you seem to think the ability to terrorize and subjugate is so important.  Tells us a lot about how your mind works.




unfortunately, the ability to conquer and maintain dominance is the metric historically used to measure the worth of nations. Though i personally give more credit to those who can conquer with words and ideas, than to those who can only conquer through strength of arms.  Unfortunately for the Ubermenschen, their ideas were so bereft of value, their only hope was to try to conquer through force.




Other people can use whatever metric they want.  They don't own me.  I make my own decision.  So far I have seen with my eyes that the almighty Aryans/Germans are pretty bad at subjugating people.  This says to me that they are tender-hearted.  Very noble indeed.

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Also, funny you should mention "diversity".  If all race-mixing demogagues like you have your way and all white people race-mix, there will ironically be LESS diversity.  Genes for blond, red hair, genes are blue or green eyes, these are recessive and will be submerged in a pool of yellow, brown, and black.  Of course for someone who hates white people such as you this is good, for for others, namely normal white folks, this is a fate that should be avoided.




I covered this already, but you are incorrect.  none of those genes will be "submerged" they will all still be there, sharing room with the others. the only thing affected will be the per person percentage chances of expressing a given gene.




I really don't know why you cling so hard to the whole statistical, "per person percentage chance" of whatever you are trying to sell/say.  Do you agree with me that enough whites breeding with pure-blooded blacks, yellows, browns means there will be no more phenotypically distinct white people left, or not?

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I don't know what you are trying to show with these pictures.  All I see are people who could have been pure-blooded blond/red-haired, and blue/green-eyed.  In fact, these pictures of mongrels that you are showing me strengthen my resolve to fight your genocidal ways.


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    #21957847 - 07/17/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So far I have seen with my eyes that the almighty Aryans/Germans are pretty bad at subjugating people.  This says to me that they are tender-hearted.  Very noble indeed.




I'm terrible at building watches.  does that mean i have a soft spot for sun-dials?


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I will have to take your word for it.  So far the garbage coming from your crowd seems to me that you are making this whole race-mixing thing "cool", or "hip", and that you and your ilk are very ready to pounce on any resistant white folks by calling them racist.




i don't know about cool or hip, but there are definitely more people unconcerned with race mixing than there once was.

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also, lol you got hazel eyes.  Gross.




Most of my dad's siblings have hazel or blue eyes. Most of my mother's siblings have hazel or brown eyes. i have hazel eyes, but nobody has ever called them gross before. they are actually the one thing that i'm (almost?) universally complimented on.(i think everybody gets one thing)


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    #21957866 - 07/17/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So far I have seen with my eyes that the almighty Aryans/Germans are pretty bad at subjugating people.  This says to me that they are tender-hearted.  Very noble indeed.




I'm terrible at building watches.  does that mean i have a soft spot for sun-dials?




huh?

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I will have to take your word for it.  So far the garbage coming from your crowd seems to me that you are making this whole race-mixing thing "cool", or "hip", and that you and your ilk are very ready to pounce on any resistant white folks by calling them racist.




i don't know about cool or hip, but there are definitely more people unconcerned with race mixing than there once was.




That's due to the intense brain-washing from you guys.


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    #21957927 - 07/17/15 08:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

also, I see that you have no response to my claim that if there are increasingly more and more pure-blooded blacks, browns and yellows breeding with whites, that means there will be no more white people.

where is your precious little, "statistical" counter-argument?


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So far I have seen with my eyes that the almighty Aryans/Germans are pretty bad at subjugating people.  This says to me that they are tender-hearted.  Very noble indeed.




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huh?





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    #21957948 - 07/17/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you view it my way then it makes sense.


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    #21957997 - 07/17/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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also, I see that you have no response to my claim that if there are increasingly more and more pure-blooded blacks, browns and yellows breeding with whites, that means there will be no more white people.

where is your precious little, "statistical" counter-argument?




I stand by my answer. the genes carried by those white people will be present in their offspring.  What difference should it make to me if one day there are no extremely pale people? or very dark brown people?  why would it bother me to see a dark complected person with light eyes or hair?  or a light complected person with dark hair or eyes? Breeding for specific phenotype is an endeavour of novelty, like dog breeding.  Yet, a pure bred labrador retriever will be much more likely to end up with degenerating hips and fatty tumors all over than a mixed breed from the pound.  did you google heterosis yet?


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    #21958021 - 07/17/15 08:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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also, I see that you have no response to my claim that if there are increasingly more and more pure-blooded blacks, browns and yellows breeding with whites, that means there will be no more white people.

where is your precious little, "statistical" counter-argument?




I stand by my answer. the genes carried by those white people will be present in their offspring.  What difference should it make to me if one day there are no extremely pale people? or very dark brown people?  why would it bother me to see a dark complected person with light eyes or hair?  or a light complected person with dark hair or eyes? Breeding for specific phenotype is an endeavour of novelty, like dog breeding.  Yet, a pure bred labrador retriever will be much more likely to end up with degenerating hips and fatty tumors all over than a mixed breed from the pound.  did you google heterosis yet?




If you have no problems with seeing a dark complected person with light eyes or hair or a light complected person with dark hair or eyes, that's fine by me.  Just don't push your race-mixing agenda on the rest of the (normal) white folks.  Also, you seem to be implying that pure-bred white people are sicker than the mongrels.  I don't know if this is true or not (most likely not), but this can be overcome with future genetic upgrade.  In other words, you can cry "lol look at my mongrelized children!  Hybrid vigor for LYYYFE" all you want, but white people will still be around, and we will have true diversity.

seriously, why can't you fucks ever fuck off?  Just let people do their own thing and dont try to steer them in your direction.  Is this so difficult to do?


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    #21958155 - 07/17/15 09:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

by all means, do your own thing, but i like debating shit, and i especially enjoy it if it results in steering people in my direction.
besides, i never said that it is racist to marry within your race or whatever.
never said it. In fact, all other white guys should just stick to white girls. More for me!(j/k, one is enough)


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I saw a picture of a black Australian aboriginee girl with bright blonde hair once. It was quite curly too.


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    Finally, I don't put much stock in the idea of an Aryan Übermensch, after all, if those Supermen were really that great, they wouldn't have failed so miserably at subjugating the Untermenschen(sub-humans)

    Look at what happened to those Übermenschen when Attila came to visit.

    Look at what happened to the Übermenschen when Peter the Great decided to get the cossacks together



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I don't consider the ability to subjugate others to be a defining trait of a people (or as you would like to call them, ubermenschen).  In fact, I believe that the Germans'/Aryans' inability to subjugate others shows that they are tender-hearted people, which is the true, defining, most salient trait of a Ubermensch.

funny how you seem to think the ability to terrorize and subjugate is so important.  Tells us a lot about how your mind works.







this post made me want to re-read this:
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/4061/4061-h/4061-h.htm

its a good text, even though the author is a clear white supremacist.  it was written 160 years ago or so, so i can overlook that.  The author, like you, had a very high opinion of Germans/Germanic peoples. i thought i would post here an excerpt from the preface.

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It is an honourable characteristic of the Spirit of this Age, that projects of violence and warfare are regarded among civilized states with gradually increasing aversion. The Universal Peace Society certainly does not, and probably never will, enrol the majority of statesmen among its members. But even those who look upon the Appeal of Battle as occasionally unavoidable in international controversies, concur in thinking it a deplorable necessity, only to be resorted to when all peaceful modes of arrangement have been vainly tried; and when the law of self-defence justifies a State, like an individual, in using force to protect itself from imminent and serious injury. For a writer, therefore, of the present day to choose battles for his favourite topic, merely because they were battles, merely because so many myriads of troops were arrayed in them, and so many hundreds or thousands of human beings stabbed, hewed, or shot each other to death during them, would argue strange weakness or depravity of mind. Yet it cannot be denied that a fearful and wonderful interest is attached to these scenes of carnage. There is undeniable greatness in the disciplined courage, and in the love of honour, which make the combatants confront agony and destruction. And the powers of the human intellect are rarely more strongly displayed than they are in the Commander, who regulates, arrays, and wields at his will these masses of armed disputants; who, cool yet daring, in the midst of peril reflects on all, and provides for all, ever ready with fresh resources and designs, as the vicissitudes of the storm of slaughter require. But these qualities, however high they may appear, are to be found in the basest as well as in the noblest of mankind.




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    #21959436 - 07/18/15 06:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Back on topic, we need to clarify something:

1. A troll is someone who does what they do, essentially, for shits and gigs.

2. A shill is someone who gets paid to bend the narrative, spread disinformation, etc.


A troll is the guy who pokes you really hard in the arm until you get pissed off at scream at him.

A shill is the guy who told you Coke causes cancer because he has a side job with Pepsi that you don't know about.

The former may be just as devious as the latter, but for much less devious reasons.


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21960641 - 07/18/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

In other words:

WAN is a troll.
Enlil is a shill.
And Stonehenge is just a misinformed heckler.

Now, let's get down to what this thread is really about (outting Enlil on his side job for weed money). We need concrete evidence folks. He's quite lawyerly, so we'll have to build a compelling case if we plan to win over the court of public opinion! Get to it.


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: WAN]
    #21961810 - 07/18/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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also, I see that you have no response to my claim that if there are increasingly more and more pure-blooded blacks, browns and yellows breeding with whites, that means there will be no more white people.

where is your precious little, "statistical" counter-argument?




And then there will not be any more black people or any other race, but one race of people.


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    #21961821 - 07/18/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Or they will all be black


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    #21963905 - 07/19/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So?


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Turtletotem]
    #21966401 - 07/19/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So?



so?  Some of us want there to be blond-haired, blue-eyed people. I am sorry that you hate white people so much that you wish genocide on them.


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: WAN]
    #21966809 - 07/19/15 07:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Do you want solid proof that paid government shills are targeting websites, blogs, forums and social media accounts?  For years, many have suspected that government trolls have been systematically causing havoc all over the Internet, but proving it has been difficult.

image: http://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/february2014/270214keyboard.jpg

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But now thanks to documents leaked by Edward Snowden and revealed by Glenn Greenwald, we finally have hard evidence that western governments have been doing this.  As you will see below, a UK intelligence outfit known as the Government Communications Headquarters, through a previously secret unit known as the Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group, has been systematically attempting “to control, infiltrate, manipulate, and warp online discourse”.  This should be deeply disturbing to anyone that values free speech on the Internet.

It isn’t just that the British government is trying to influence what people are thinking.  The reality is that this is far bigger than a mere propaganda campaign.  As Greenwald recently noted on his new website, the “integrity of the Internet itself” is at stake…

By publishing these stories one by one, our NBC reporting highlighted some of the key, discrete revelations: themonitoring of YouTube and Blogger, the targeting of Anonymous with the very same DDoS attacks they accuse “hacktivists” of using, the use of “honey traps” (luring people into compromising situations using sex) and destructive viruses. But, here, I want to focus and elaborate on the overarching point revealed by all of these documents: namely, that these agencies are attempting to control, infiltrate, manipulate, and warp online discourse, and in doing so, are compromising the integrity of the internet itself.

Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/yes-paid-government-trolls-social-media-blogs-forums-websites/#ljRzsCkgqH7MY4LG.99


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    #21966820 - 07/19/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I’ve personally been affected by the vitriolic and absurd comments of paid shills on the Internet, as have many individuals trying to report ‘truth’ as they see it. I’ve always suspected there were people being paid by mega-companies like Monsanto to try to defame my words. Now I have proof.

In documents released by Edward Snowden and Glen Greenwald, there is now proof that Western governments have been trying to wreak havoc on the lives of people who dare to expose corporate crimes and government infiltration by Big Biotech, Big Banks, Big Pharma, and the ‘unseen hand’ that is ruining the world.



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    #21966954 - 07/19/15 07:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Perhaps we have a Monsanto shill on this forum?


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    #21967040 - 07/19/15 08:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Lol, I seriously doubt it.  Monsanto doesn't give a rats ass what people on a drug forum think about them.


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    #21968944 - 07/20/15 02:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

WAN said:
Quote:

Turtletotem said:
So?



so?  Some of us want there to be blond-haired, blue-eyed people. I am sorry that you hate white people so much that you wish genocide on them.




That is not genocide.


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    #21968994 - 07/20/15 02:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

What do these government trolls want anyway? How can we recgonize them?
What kind of tactics do they use?
Does anybody know?

Edit: sorry for the double post. I thought these where two seperate threads. :shrug:

Someone quite expertly diverted the topic at hand... hm...
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    #21969451 - 07/20/15 06:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Turtletotem said:
What do these government trolls want anyway? How can we recgonize them?
What kind of tactics do they use?
Does anybody know?

Edit: sorry for the double post. I thought these where two seperate threads. :shrug:

Someone quite expertly diverted the topic at hand... hm...
:mad2:




https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/


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    #21969615 - 07/20/15 07:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Turtletotem said:
What do these government trolls want anyway? How can we recgonize them?
What kind of tactics do they use?
Does anybody know?

Edit: sorry for the double post. I thought these where two seperate threads. :shrug:

Someone quite expertly diverted the topic at hand... hm...
:mad2:




They normally tries to get the audiences to not listen to the truth by saying that the evidences isn't true at all, and to create fake websites to confirm their ideas. Some pretends that they are scientist and have others trolls to back them up, by claiming that they had saw them receiving the Nobel Peace Prize last weekend, for the work on the space shuttle; but anyone that has experienced it all can see right through their act. Back in the days I had went to night clubs and saw all sort of world leaders, and doctors there and even a man that claimed that he is the Batman, and he has friends with him to back his story up. But you sound as a intelligent person and I know you can see some of their mistakes but I wouldn't want to unveil them mistakes or else they will go back and correct them so that they will become more better at their trolling. Bringing in confusion causes a person to wonder whom is telling the truth and the ones that are spreading lies. They are paid to divert the minds of the listeners, because if everyone knows about what they are trying to keep from the public, then the whole body will know what to avoid. So basically they are trying to put doubt in the minds to leave the listeners to be confuse.


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    #21969664 - 07/20/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So a bit like how scientific debate about environmental issues has been polluted (heh) since the 20th century by corporate shills?

I feel like a fool for not being aware of this sooner. Maybe it is because I have a pretty low internet presence... but I like to read comments on things and... I should have known earlier, you know?

And now to see the difference between somebody who personally disagrees with me and people who are paid to do so... damn. Fuck this mad shit.

If there are any corporate shills on this website, reading this... kill yourself. Seriously.
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    #21969681 - 07/20/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Just goes to show how much public opinion matters


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    #21983402 - 07/23/15 07:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well, we cannot let that happen. I need you to read this shocking new report and tell everyone you know. The non-profit group U.S. Right To Know‘s report “Seedy Business: What Big Food is Hiding with Its Slick PR Campaign on GMOs” couldn’t have come out at a better time! This is an expose (with lots of details, evidence and facts) on the shady public relations tactics that the biotech industry has been employing. After reading their report, everything is starting to make sense to me now. I have personally experienced these tactics and finally can pinpoint what’s happening to me and other activists.

The big players in the industry – Monsanto, Dow, Syngenta, DuPont, Bayer – are engaging in an extensive public relations, advertising, lobbying and political campaign to make sure that genetically engineered crops (GMOs), and the pesticides they require, continue to proliferate in the U.S.

To improve their public image, they are attempting to manipulate everything we see and hear about GMO crops in the media and on TV, the internet and print articles – using propaganda-laden commercials, “mommy-blogger” articles, farmer endorsements, and front group websites. The biotech industry is feeling threatened, and their profits hang in the balance. This is their last stand.  http://foodbabe.com/2015/02/12/dirty-pr-campaign/


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