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ballsalsa
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Re: Government Trolls [Re: imachavel]
#21926993 - 07/11/15 01:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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in that case i'll write a response in the morning
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Re: Government Trolls [Re: imachavel]
#21932143 - 07/12/15 05:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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imachavel said: I'm amazed at the prospect that killing seals would provide that many jobs. I guess behind every lie, is a little bit of truth. Just like for every broken clock, is a truth that twice a day the time is right. Even trickle down theory, isn't entirely bullshit. Rich people do spend money
Where exactly are "seal products" sold anyway.
There is no need for quotes. I don't understand the question. Seal skin jackets are sold in clothing stores, seal skin wallets in department stores etc. Of course you are ignorant of how many jobs are being lost here, you don't live in the Arctic. Your info comes from Celebs and other over emotional city dwellers. Could you stop acting like your total ignorance is some kind of virtue here though? There was just a story about the issue today.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/rod-stewart-gets-fitted-for-sealskin-coat-in-st-john-s-1.3148213
Scroll down to comments section in that. The people making pro sealing comments, which is of course the majority, are not paid shills. They are regular Canadians. Posting histories will show its just a bunch of people with diverse opinions. The idea we are all shills is idiotic. Plus what kind of government employee gets up at 430 AM and rushes out to comment on a story? They are sleeping now, this isn't some 24 hour a day operation, shills are deployed when it's in the governments interest. Sealing is a joke compared to oil industry or banking. You are far more likely to find shills (government or private industry) on those stories. PS I believe there are government shills online, lots of them. Lots hired by private industry like oil companies too. They are not very effective though. Things like drug legalization are happening no matter what, it can't be stopped via propaganda anymore. IMO planted made up drug stories like the bath salt cannibal are much more effective at shifting opinions. You don't don't need shills you get the population to do it all for you. You just plant a story and it's done. My pot using friends think bath salts can turn you into a zombie and had no problem with them being banned. Kind of scary everyone fell for that crap. Fake planted stories designed to shift opinions are better than shills in my opinion.
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The Ecstatic
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Re: Government Trolls [Re: my3rdeye]
#21932452 - 07/12/15 08:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shilling isn't effective?
Exxon knew about their company's direct role in climate change as early as 1981, then funded denial efforts.
So, how many people in this country accept man's role in climate change 34 years later? Just over half.
It's the same game as cigarettes. Imagine spending some money to convince the public that the negatives associated with your business are simply made up. Then imagine half the fucking people believe you for decades.
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So I was reading Heather Callaghan’s article, “Monsanto Teaching a Health Class In a School Near You?” published earlier today at Activist Post, which begins, “I’m retelling this story not to cause sheer outrage or bring down shame and fire on one school in one instance, but to let you know definitively that Monsanto representatives could visit a school near you to teach a class…”
Scrolling down to see what people thought of this glorious new development in genetically modified propaganda, I noticed a very angry man in the comments section going by the name “Michael Stephens” thought long and hard about Callaghan’s piece and had quite a lot to say:http://www.thedailysheeple.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/mstephens1.jpg http://www.thedailysheeple.com/self-proclaimed-monsanto-employee-trolling-alt-media-gmo-articles-claiming-organic-food-kills-people_062014
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Monsanto has revolutionized farming techniques and the ag field in general. It's good to see that industry leaders are finally involved in educating people. The public needs to stop being afraid of technology.
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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Enlil]
#21932691 - 07/12/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Was the public afraid when Phillip Morris was educating people about their revolutionary safe cigarettes?
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Did Philip Morris make safe cigarettes? I'm not a smoker, so I don't keep up on news about cigarettes. Do you have a link?
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The Ecstatic
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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Enlil]
#21932900 - 07/12/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Did Philip Morris make safe cigarettes? I'm not a smoker, so I don't keep up on news about cigarettes. Do you have a link?
Just get all your information on the safety of cigarettes from the cigarette salesmen, they're the authority.
Don't be afraid.
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While you're at it, base your opinion of the 2nd amendment on the interpretations of gun store owners.
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The Ecstatic said: Just get all your information on the safety of cigarettes from the cigarette salesmen, they're the authority.
Don't be afraid.
I'm not afraid of cigarettes. There is plenty of information about them in peer-reviewed journals, and they appear to be perfectly safe as long as you don't inhale any fumes from them while they're burning.
I don't see how any of this is relevant, though. It's not like Monsanto is out there saying that their product is safe and peer-reviewed articles say otherwise. The scientific consensus is pretty clear that they're safe. Why shouldn't Monsanto be proud of that fact and spread that information. They're doing a great job, apparently.
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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Enlil]
#21933323 - 07/12/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You're missing the point completely.
What we know now about cigarettes isn't what we knew 75 years ago.
What we know now about climate change isn't what we knew 35 years ago.
I think Exxon is a company that's pretty good at making money, I doubt they'd be burning it in a garbage can labelled "disinformation campaign" if it wasn't helping their bottom line.
I don't think Monsanto is any dumber than Exxon.
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I'm not sure what the point is. Monsanto's products have been used for many years, and there's no indication that they're causing any health problems. Why wouldn't they be proud of that? Why wouldn't they want to spread that information? More importantly, why wouldn't you want to know that information and have it spread?
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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Enlil]
#21933478 - 07/12/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You're assuming all PR is benevolent, and you know better.
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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Enlil]
#21933521 - 07/12/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said:
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The Ecstatic said: Just get all your information on the safety of cigarettes from the cigarette salesmen, they're the authority.
Don't be afraid.
I'm not afraid of cigarettes. There is plenty of information about them in peer-reviewed journals, and they appear to be perfectly safe as long as you don't inhale any fumes from them while they're burning.
I don't see how any of this is relevant, though. It's not like Monsanto is out there saying that their product is safe and peer-reviewed articles say otherwise. The scientific consensus is pretty clear that they're safe. Why shouldn't Monsanto be proud of that fact and spread that information. They're doing a great job, apparently.
You know, GMO's are one area where I believe liberals get it wrong. While I certainly believe we should monitor their products and ensure safety, once that safety has been established, I think we should head the evidence.
We cannot laugh at conservative folks for denying the overwhelming evidence for climate change, and proclaiming some enormous conspiracy on behalf of the scientific community, while simultaneously doing the same for GMO's.
Just my 2 cents.
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Woofy, that is because liberals believe everything the media tells them therefore they accept the safety of gmo's which has not been established. Conservatives and moderates (like me) know the media is a bunch of lying assholes and want proof. I'd say climate change is already upon us and the hotter weather in recent years, more extreme storms and even more extreme cold all testify to that. The jury is still out on long term trends.
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The Ecstatic said: Shilling isn't effective?
Exxon knew about their company's direct role in climate change as early as 1981, then funded denial efforts.
So, how many people in this country accept man's role in climate change 34 years later? Just over half.
It's the same game as cigarettes. Imagine spending some money to convince the public that the negatives associated with your business are simply made up. Then imagine half the fucking people believe you for decades.
Ok TYT.
the article and emails do not say all that bullshit you just parrotes from the young turks.
What They say is that exxon did an environmental impact assessment, which is completely normal.
The field they were assessing contained a lot of co2.
the idiot libs are twisting it to mean that since it was co2 and they were doing a routine environmental assessment then somehow THEREFORE they knew about CO2 induced climate change.
this is a massive leap in logic, typical of those lobs make, in order to push the lib agenda, but the emIls don't say anything close to that.
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Stonehenge said: Woofy, that is because liberals believe everything the media tells them therefore they accept the safety of gmo's which has not been established. Conservatives and moderates (like me) know the media is a bunch of lying assholes and want proof. I'd say climate change is already upon us and the hotter weather in recent years, more extreme storms and even more extreme cold all testify to that. The jury is still out on long term trends.
I'm pretty sure you have this backwards. Liberals tend to be anti-GMO and believe that global warming exists. The scientific consensus is that GMOs are safe and that global warming is at least partially anthropogenic. The dichotomy is that liberals believe the scientific community in the latter case, but reject scientific consensus in the former.
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Shins
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Jesus christ, the globe has not warmed in 17+ years. Global warming was debunked. "Climate change" is the new thing now because global warming doesn't exist anymore. Why do you guys insist on pushing an imaginary narrative? The 90's are over and the warming trend of the 70's-90's reversed. The globe has slghtly cooled ever since the 90's!
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Stonehenge said: Woofy, that is because liberals believe everything the media tells them therefore they accept the safety of gmo's which has not been established. Conservatives and moderates (like me) know the media is a bunch of lying assholes and want proof. I'd say climate change is already upon us and the hotter weather in recent years, more extreme storms and even more extreme cold all testify to that. The jury is still out on long term trends.
I'm pretty sure you have this backwards. Liberals tend to be anti-GMO and believe that global warming exists. The scientific consensus is that GMOs are safe and that global warming is at least partially anthropogenic. The dichotomy is that liberals believe the scientific community in the latter case, but reject scientific consensus in the former.
That's exactly what I was thinking lol. As I said, I believe the GMO issue is one area where Liberals get things wrong. However, I understand their desire to have GMO's labeled, but I think that is a separate issue. I am really not trying to get into that discussion in this thread, regardless. It's already been beaten to death on this forum.
I think Stoney completely misunderstood what I was saying.
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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Shins]
#21933695 - 07/12/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shins said: Jesus christ, the globe has not warmed in 17+ years. Global warming was debunked. "Climate change" is the new thing now because global warming doesn't exist anymore. Why do you guys insist on pushing an imaginary narrative? The 90's are over and the warming trend of the 70's-90's reversed. The globe has slghtly cooled ever since the 90's!
You're a funny guy. You're almost like a caricature of conservativism! lol
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