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Re: Government Trolls [Re: my3rdeye]
    #21904985 - 07/06/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have 3 questions for you...


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21904994 - 07/06/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I asked Stonehenge for a link to his information source, and he hasn't provided one. I am pretty sure he said that Snowden leaked this information.


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: my3rdeye]
    #21905007 - 07/06/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If someone you don't know makes comments on facebook group pages supporting whaling or sealing, it is most likely an employee of a government. .




Oh is that fucking so? Now that is some ignorant shit. Someone disagrees with you because they are on the government payroll.
It has nothing to do with the saving the planet. Not culling the overpopulation of seals is bad for the environment as they eat all the fish. I fail to see how depopulation of fish stocks is a good thing. It isn't greenpeace that oppose seal hunt, its PETA. 
People who are anti seal hunt are emotional people from the cities, they have no business trying to stop a sustainable industry that has existed for 10 000 years. What is an Eskimo going to do for a job, to feed their families? Lets make them all dependent on the Canadian taxpayer when they used to be independent when left to their own devices. 
They use all the seal parts with no waste. The only reason anyone can give for being anti seal hunt is seals are cute. That's the sole reason, not one good reason exists. The EU is illegally blocking seal products from their market. I don't expect them to end their colonial racism against natives worldwide but at least act like you care about them.




my previous seal harvesting post was for a joke, but this one is serious.
Why shouldn't seals be harvested?  They breed like crazy.  If you see a seal with a pup, it is highly likely that she is already pregnant with another pup, so if done responsibly, seal harvesting is very sustainable.  The harvest is very labor intensive.  It requires humans to accomplish much, which precludes seal harvesters from losing their job to a computer.  It's pretty humane actually.  Have you ever seen video of a seal hunt?  They don't actually "club" the seals.  they have a device something like a short handled gaff.(a stick with a metal hook on the end) which they swing(like a club) aiming to hook the seals directly through the head.  big metal hook through the brain=instant death.  Its much more sporting than running cows down a chute.  The harvesters have to jump out onto ice floes in freezing conditions to do this job.  It looks at least as dangerous as crab fishing (more so really).  We already can a lot of seal food every year.(fish)  This causes starvation of seal pups due to a lack of available food for the mother seals who then abandon the pups.  There are only 2 ways to solve this problem.  Solution number 1:lower the population numbers of seals. Solution number 2:stop eating fish(especially bait fish like sardine and anchovy)
in conclusion, anyone who claims to be opposed to seal harvesting is actually in favor of a slow cruel death by starvation for many young seal pups. :shrug:


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21905303 - 07/06/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I asked Stonehenge for a link to his information source, and he hasn't provided one. I am pretty sure he said that Snowden leaked this information.




Snowden leaked some.

But the knowledge of shills has been confirmed since people broke into the FBI and liberated a shitload of COINTELPRO files.


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21905404 - 07/06/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Many countries have admitted ot too, namely the USA and Israel right off the top of my head.  I'm sire Russia does it too.


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Shins]
    #21905430 - 07/06/15 02:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Many countries have admitted ot too, namely the USA and Israel right off the top of my head.  I'm sire Russia does it too.




Israel doesn't even try to hide it.

But lucky for them anyone who disagrees with Israel's narrative is literally Hitler.


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Shins]
    #21905566 - 07/06/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Many countries have admitted ot too, namely the USA and Israel right off the top of my head.  I'm sire Russia does it too.




I just asked for some sources. I have never seen sources for this. I know Nazi Germany had a department of propaganda, and I know in America we have Fox News (Though they are not paid by the government).

I never saw anything about this in Snowden's leaks.


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21905609 - 07/06/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I never saw a Chinese stripper before either, they must not exist.


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21905677 - 07/06/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I never saw a Chinese stripper before either, they must not exist.




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Re: Government Trolls [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21905869 - 07/06/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I never saw a Chinese stripper before either, they must not exist.




you've been missing out




Maybe, but the ladyboys kinda freak me out.

I asked for sources, I haven't gotten any, so the claim appears to be a dubious one at best.


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21906277 - 07/06/15 05:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I might have even made a thread about this a while ago where I had an idea to create a business that was just a warehouse of computers manned 24 hrs a day in 3 8 hour shifts. Employees would be given a demographic or sector to focus on and create hundreds of accounts of forums, blogs, chat rooms etc and  basically act as an agenda pushing machine that could be bought and done in such a manner that it subverted a persons awareness of be advertised to.

Imagine if some lawnmower company wanted their product to be pushed like this people would organically work it into unrelated conversations or also give fake testimonials about the product in forums/blogs where it was relevant.


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #21906443 - 07/06/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)


Paying people to cultivate opinions and dictate an agenda is centuries old, the internet is simply the newest medium.


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #21906542 - 07/06/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, you know, I use Jiffy Mix™ as my casing layer for my monotubs. The Jiffy Mix™ casing layer reminds me of the layer of propaganda our government lays over the population. Of course Jiffy Mix™ isn't the same thing as propaganda, but every time I use Jiffy Mix™ I certainly do think of Fox News!


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21906569 - 07/06/15 06:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Many countries have admitted ot too, namely the USA and Israel right off the top of my head.  I'm sire Russia does it too.




I just asked for some sources. I have never seen sources for this. I know Nazi Germany had a department of propaganda, and I know in America we have Fox News (Though they are not paid by the government).

I never saw anything about this in Snowden's leaks.





This is actually old news, its publicly admitted I was talking about this years ago.


http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-23695896

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/08/14/israel-students-social-media/2651715/


Some US military papers came out too that wetetalking about using internet military trolls to use "sock puppets" to assume mutiple, untraceable identities to use to influence social mefia, and even to use the multiple sock puppet accounts to support each other and try to form consensus.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Earnest_Voice

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks

http://techcrunch.com/2011/03/17/u-s-military-program-creates-online-sock-puppets-to-counter-%E2%80%98enemy-propaganda%E2%80%99/


most of this is probably contracted out to private companies as well, I would wager its happening in many more countries. 

Of course military/intelligence would target the internet and employ military hackers and trolls DUH!  This is what they mean when they say "cyber security;" internet propaganda trolls to keep unwanted information secure from the public.


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Shins]
    #21906581 - 07/06/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

From your sources:

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According to the United States Military Central Command (CENTCOM), the US-based Facebook and Twitter networks are not targeted by the program because US laws prohibit US state agencies from spreading propaganda among US citizens as according to the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012




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He said none of the interventions would be in English, as it would be unlawful to "address US audiences" with such technology, and any English-language use of social media by Centcom was always clearly attributed.




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The Pentagon says the program doesn’t have an English language component, and that it merely exists to combat misrepresentations found on Arabic, Farsi, Pashto, and Urdu language Web sites.




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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Enlil]
    #21906587 - 07/06/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Lol you still think the US government respects laws?

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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Shins]
    #21906596 - 07/06/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You can't use the U.S. Government as a source and then cherry pick which part you want to believe and don't want to believe.  All of the sources you linked said the program wasn't in English.  Either those sources are credible or they aren't.  If you want to rely on them, then you have to accept what they actually say and not what you wish they said.


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Shins]
    #21906605 - 07/06/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>Lol you still think the US government respects laws?

Its his job to say that.


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Shins]
    #21906616 - 07/06/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The CIA even manipulates the entertainment industry.


https://www.cia.gov/offices-of-cia/public-affairs/entertainment-industry-liaison


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Re: Government Trolls [Re: Shins]
    #21906630 - 07/06/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I didn't find the word "manipulate" anywhere in your linked webpage.


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