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Re: Be Careful With Fireworks This July 4th Americans! [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21892498 - 07/03/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Its a loophole. For all intents and purposes its a high explosive but is exempt from the requirement of permits and licenses for such products.
You can't purchase AN-AL (lol on name) You'd be jailed for decades if they caught you whipping up batches of the stuff. Chemically though, Tannerite is much the same.
Loophole.
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Re: Be Careful With Fireworks This July 4th Americans! [Re: Asante]
#21892613 - 07/03/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Asante said: Its a loophole. For all intents and purposes its a high explosive but is exempt from the requirement of permits and licenses for such products.
You can't purchase AN-AL (lol on name) You'd be jailed for decades if they caught you whipping up batches of the stuff. Chemically though, Tannerite is much the same.
Loophole.
so I can purchase ammonium nitrate, I can purchase alumminum powder, I can purchase them together with instructions on how to combine the two and detonate them as a binary explosive and the only crime I will have committed is that of disturbing the peace but you somehow believe this is a loophole?
http://www.tannerite.com/
once more, there is no loophole, a loophole would be a vague wording in the law that would allow for the possession of the compound but the ATF has explicitly stated how it can be purchased and transported. it falls under the same laws as black powder and other explosives exempted for sporting use
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Legal restrictions
In the United States, ATF regulations allow the two components to be legally purchased, since neither one is an explosive by itself.[5] However, the mixture is an explosive once mixed, and cannot be transported in that form without following strict regulations including insurance, packaging, and signage on the vehicle. Various regulations also govern the storage of unmixed Tannerite.
As oxidizers and combustibles, the unmixed components still have some shipping restrictions in the United States.[1]
A Maryland law intended specifically to ban the sale or ownership of Tannerite became effective on October 1, 2012, and expanded the definition of an explosive to include, in addition to "bombs and destructive devices designed to operate by chemical, mechanical, or explosive action", "two or more components that are advertised and sold together with instructions on how to combine the components to create an explosive".[6][7]
On August 5, 2013, the United States Forest Service (USFS) and the U.S. Attorney's office in Denver announced that the USFS is implementing a closure order to prohibit the use of unpermitted explosives, particularly exploding targets using tannerite, on all USFS lands in the Rocky Mountain Region. This region includes national forests and grasslands in the states of Colorado, Wyoming, Kansas, Nebraska, and South Dakota. According to the USFS, at least 16 wildfires in the Western states had been associated with exploding targets. It cost more than $33 million to extinguish the fires.[8] Such a ban has already been implemented by the USFS in Washington, Oregon and Montana. The Bureau of Land Management has banned the use of all exploding targets on BLM land in Utah.[9] Previously, only the Hasting's Cutoff BLM land was affected, a popular shooting spot an hour outside of Salt Lake City, UT, which had become abused with the regular use of Tannerite and other explosives. The Bureau of Land Management was also reported to be preparing a Fire Prevention Order that would ban exploding targets on BLM-administered land in the state of Colorado.[10][11][12] Notable incidents
A Minnesotan man was fined $2,583 and sentenced to three years' probation[[13] on charges of detonating an explosive device and unlawful possession of components for explosives after he detonated 100 lb (45 kg) of Tannerite inside the bed of a dump truck by shooting it with a rifle chambered in .50 BMG from 300 yards (270 m) away on January 14, 2008, in Red Wing, Minnesota. The man was on probation when he mixed and shot the Tannerite and was not allowed to possess firearms or explosives.[14][15] The blast could be felt at Prairie Island Nuclear Power Plant (roughly 5 miles away).[16]
A 20-year-old man in Busti, New York shot 18 lb (8.2 kg) of Tannerite on January 13, 2013, that sent a particularly "loud boom" through much of southern Chautauqua County, New York and extending as far south as Pennsylvania, at least 3 miles away. Multiple other sounds of explosions were also reported in the incident. The explosive noise caused numerous phone calls to the Chautauqua County Sheriff's Office, the New York State Police, and other law enforcement in the area.[17]
A man was killed by shrapnel at a farm in Fillmore County, Minnesota on June 15, 2013, after Tannerite was shot at a bachelor-bachelorette party after it was placed inside some metal objects. Fillmore County Sheriff Daryl Jensen stated that in this case the Tannerite was “used with other materials” in a manner that was not included in the manufacturer’s recommendations.[3]
Shrapnel killed a boy and injured a man in Sequoyah County, Oklahoma on February 9, 2015, after a reported two pounds of Tannerite was placed in a stove and shot with a high-powered rifle.[18]
A 24-year-old man from Portland, Oregon, used a Tannerite explosion as a means of suicide. Officials indicated that on March 19, 2015, the man parked his car along US Route 26 in a rural area near Mt. Hood and walked into nearby woods, where he detonated a "large quantity" of Tannerite with a .223 caliber rifle. The blast shattered trees and resulted in a crater two feet deep and ten feet wide.[19]
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Re: Be Careful With Fireworks This July 4th Americans! [Re: makaveli8x8]
#21892684 - 07/03/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: wait so people can't buy fertilizer, but they can buy that shit?
how much is that crap and how hard is it to find?
Who can't buy fertilizer? Is that why that fertilizer company was storing 100 tons of ammonium nitrate in the middle of a town when it blew up?
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Re: Be Careful With Fireworks This July 4th Americans! [Re: Asante]
#21892715 - 07/03/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I can only imagine the amount of fires that are going to start in this drought.
Some kids living near me have already been buying fireworks, turning them into explosives, and blowing them up. I'm amazed that not only have no fires resulted from this so far, but that these kids haven't gotten hurt, and the police haven't come out (That I know of. If they have, these kids don't give a fuck).
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Re: Be Careful With Fireworks This July 4th Americans! [Re: nooneman]
#21892723 - 07/03/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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nooneman said: I can only imagine the amount of fires that are going to start in this drought.
what drought, it's rained every day
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Re: Be Careful With Fireworks This July 4th Americans! [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21892725 - 07/03/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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In California.
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Re: Be Careful With Fireworks This July 4th Americans! [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21892729 - 07/03/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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#21892771 - 07/03/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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nooneman said: In California.
didnt god already destroy the land of sodom and all the sodomites once before
you were warned and you still didnt listen
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Re: Be Careful With Fireworks This July 4th Americans! [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21892788 - 07/03/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Be Careful With Fireworks This July 4th Americans! [Re: nooneman]
#21892826 - 07/03/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Don't you fucking tell me what to do, you're not my mom.
If I wanna blow my finger off that's my business not yours you silly canucks.
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Re: Be Careful With Fireworks This July 4th Americans! [Re: Psychonautica]
#21893135 - 07/03/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ammonium nitrate will explode all by itself. But it does have extra oxygen so including something to burn gives it more energy. You can use carbon powder instead of aluminum but the al has a bit more energy I think.
Sodium nitrate too will work, most nitrates will work.
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Re: Be Careful With Fireworks This July 4th Americans! [Re: Stonehenge]
#21893939 - 07/03/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ammonium nitrate will not explode by itself. It is extremely difficult to detonate.
Sodium nitrate will not explode no matter his hard you try.
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Re: Be Careful With Fireworks This July 4th Americans! [Re: Asante]
#21893943 - 07/03/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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i'm going to plug firecrackers
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Re: Be Careful With Fireworks This July 4th Americans! [Re: Shroomopotamus]
#21893947 - 07/03/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Be Careful With Fireworks This July 4th Americans! [Re: koods]
#21893961 - 07/03/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Be Careful With Fireworks This July 4th Americans! [Re: Stonehenge]
#21894224 - 07/03/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Ammonium nitrate will explode all by itself. But it does have extra oxygen so including something to burn gives it more energy. You can use carbon powder instead of aluminum but the al has a bit more energy I think.
Sodium nitrate too will work, most nitrates will work.
there's a reason that the ATF allows the shipping of ammonium nitrate without permits, because in it's self, it's very difficult to make it explode
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Re: Be Careful With Fireworks This July 4th Americans! [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21894263 - 07/03/15 07:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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True. I can tell you how to make the mixture very sensitive to impact. But if I told you I'd have to kill you and I'd rather not do that, so...
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Re: Be Careful With Fireworks This July 4th Americans! [Re: Stonehenge]
#21894325 - 07/03/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I dont think you'll tell me much of anything but you sound like you're talking about ammonium perchlorate
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Re: Be Careful With Fireworks This July 4th Americans! [Re: Shroomopotamus]
#28382353 - 07/02/23 09:56 AM (6 months, 25 days ago) |
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see the first post
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Re: Be Careful With Fireworks This July 4th Americans! [Re: Asante]
#28382371 - 07/02/23 10:08 AM (6 months, 25 days ago) |
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I did and was confused because tomorrow is the 3rd
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