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firstTIMER420
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Dehydrating Mushrooms
#21891897 - 07/03/15 09:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I recently harvested my grow from my BRF cakes, and i was rather disappointed with the potency of the mushrooms. At 4.5g of B+ i didn't really trip that hard, a bit more than mild at best. Maybe im not dosing enough, but last time i dosed that much, i tripped so hard i never wanted to do it again, although it was a different strain that time(fresh Treasure Coast Mushrooms)
My question, is can dehydrating mushrooms cause potency loss? From your experience what do you think? I have seen lots of posts on here discussing it and no definitive answers. I guess what im asking for it your experience, or if someone has scientific fact to back it up. I know that psilocybin doesn't break down or become unstable until far above 165F, which is what my dehydrator runs at(165F, Presto Dehydro)
Any input is appreciated, thanks
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PinPornProducer
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Not the dehydrator, genetics. It happens, some of the strongest trips I've had were from a batch of pe6 and the weakest trip I've ever had was from a batch of pe6. If you work with ms then this will happen from time to time but not very often
Also be sure to eat em on an empty stomach for best effects. Don't eat at least 6-8 hours before ingesting them
Edited by PinPornProducer (07/03/15 10:19 AM)
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Probably just poor genetics. If you used multispore then your just playing shotgun in the dark. If you have decent genetics and grow on a nutrient rich medium i.e. Rye/manure/straw then you will not notice the miniscule potency loss from properly drying the fruit bodies. Many people have success with PF Tek, but it's more designed to be approachable for the beginner and not for optimal yield or alkaloid content. MS PF Tek would not be how I would go about getting potent specimens in an appreciable quantity......
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Psilosopherr
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people boil their teas/extracts. dehydrators would only reduce potency a very small amount I'll bet
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Maxwell smart
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My dehydrator runs at 155°. I try to use it as little as possible. I built a box with two box fans and several window screened pull out shelves. Typically 1 to 2 day will completely dry them. I will use the dehydrator wben in a hury.i dont notice much difference. Genetics is your most likely issue. A+ was an awesome strain, but was very unpredictable with potency with spores. Leaning to isolate substrains or clone would solve the unpredictable. You will also notice a big differences when you switch to manure ( even just store bought cow works, but horse is better). As a tip i find that creeper is a fairly consistent with potency even working with spores
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firstTIMER420
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i was thinking about growing pans or azures or maybe even tampanesis. Ive been reading that these are harder to grow than just cubes. Why and what are the optimal conditions
also, the strongest trip ive had were fresh Treasure coast, im thinking about using the TC syringe i have for my monotub grow, or maybe a mexi-cub clone from my current batch. cloning seems pretty hard unfortunately.
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Psilosopherr
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well, azures need to be outside.
pans need a casing layer. Other than that I never understood why people said pans were harder. (maybe because their mycelium isn't as thick?)
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Mr. Alien
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firstTIMER420 said: I recently harvested my grow from my BRF cakes, and i was rather disappointed with the potency of the mushrooms. At 4.5g of B+ i didn't really trip that hard, a bit more than mild at best. Maybe im not dosing enough, but last time i dosed that much, i tripped so hard i never wanted to do it again, although it was a different strain that time(fresh Treasure Coast Mushrooms)
My question, is can dehydrating mushrooms cause potency loss? From your experience what do you think? I have seen lots of posts on here discussing it and no definitive answers. I guess what im asking for it your experience, or if someone has scientific fact to back it up. I know that psilocybin doesn't break down or become unstable until far above 165F, which is what my dehydrator runs at(165F, Presto Dehydro)
Any input is appreciated, thanks
Dehydrators heat won't reduce the potency to a noticeable level as long as there is a ceaseless air current. The more faster you dry your mushrooms the less they're going to loose potency, exposure to oxygen will degrade faster the active compounds than heat. That's why dehydrators are the best option for drying them yet preserve the actives, because heat and continual air movement dry them faster than just drying them with fans without heat. And from what i know the actives compounds start breaking down far above 250ºF and even more, i haven't seen a dehydrator that reaches those temps and even if there is one i don't think it will degrade the mushrooms noticeably if there is a ceaseless air current.
After they are completely dry, cracker dry, just put them in a container with silica gel to avoid mushrooms absorb moisture from the air inside the jar.
Edited by Mr. Alien (07/03/15 11:41 AM)
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Re: Dehydrating Mushrooms [Re: Mr. Alien]
#21892777 - 07/03/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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After they are completely dry, cracker dry, just put them in a container with silica gel to avoid mushrooms absorb moisture from the air inside the jar.
It'll also remove any remaining moisture. Contrary to popular belief cracker dry doesn't mean they contain no moisture, rather it's point in which they can be stored safely. The more moisture they still contain the less potent they will seem.
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Re: Dehydrating Mushrooms [Re: Kizzle]
#21893075 - 07/03/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Kizzle said:
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After they are completely dry, cracker dry, just put them in a container with silica gel to avoid mushrooms absorb moisture from the air inside the jar.
It'll also remove any remaining moisture. Contrary to popular belief cracker dry doesn't mean they contain no moisture, rather it's point in which they can be stored safely. The more moisture they still contain the less potent they will seem.
Correct! What he says.
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spacechildo
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firstTIMER420 said: I have seen lots of posts on here discussing it and no definitive answers.
5 identical threads each week gets definitive answers on exactly this topic. theres just some fresh members who says heat = bad in each of those threads, trust the tc's not the volatile newbs!
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Psilosopherr
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spacechildo said:
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firstTIMER420 said: I have seen lots of posts on here discussing it and no definitive answers.
5 identical threads each week gets definitive answers on exactly this topic. theres just some fresh members who says heat = bad in each of those threads, trust the tc's not the volatile newbs! 
Yeah, I'm thinking this heat/potency debate will never die. Not until some tripster with a lab does a conclusive experiment
Some people get fairly emotional when discussing it too. always amusing
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spacechildo
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rbalzer said: Yeah, I'm thinking this heat/potency debate will never die. Not until some tripster with a lab does a conclusive experiment
Some people get fairly emotional when discussing it too. always amusing
Pretty soon we can all be that tripster with a home lab in our hands http://www.examiner.com/article/new-test-kit-detects-toxins-wild-mushrooms
So many people agreeing on the subject does however confirm to me its not much left to debate. But mushroom myths will live on for generations still, just gotta deal with them and keep educating people out there!
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Psilosopherr
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spacechildo said:
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rbalzer said: Yeah, I'm thinking this heat/potency debate will never die. Not until some tripster with a lab does a conclusive experiment
Some people get fairly emotional when discussing it too. always amusing
Pretty soon we can all be that tripster with a home lab in our hands http://www.examiner.com/article/new-test-kit-detects-toxins-wild-mushrooms
So many people agreeing on the subject does however confirm to me its not much left to debate. But mushroom myths will live on for generations still, just gotta deal with them and keep educating people out there!
examiner.com? Is that by the magazine the examiner? (which is one of those newspaper stlye tabloids with all kinds of ridiculous headlines)
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spacechildo
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IDK what the examiner is but I know you know the buy behind the kits
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Psilosopherr
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spacechildo said: IDK what the examiner is but I know you know the buy behind the kits 
didn't recognize the name listed?
Pretty amusing that psilocybin is one of the 'toxins' it tests for. And muscimol.
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spacechildo
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yup, I dont think its a coincidence
http://www.gofundme.com/n603pk "Smaller kits for specific toxins will also be offered, and at a reduced price because of the smaller amount of solvents, reagents/dyes, and eluents required"
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Psilosopherr
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yesss. this will allow us amateurs to potentially find new psilocybes.
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firstTIMER420
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so i have nothing to be afraid of when growing pans? phew that's a relief. Also, what is the scientific name for pan panaelous cyanaescens? I just wanna make sure i get the right syringe.
also, what do you case them with, i know there are lots of options/mixtures but would 50/50+ be sufficient or would another mix be better?
and in florida, i don't think it would be optimal conditions for growing azures, but itd be cool to try i guess.
I guess the strain i had just sucked, nothing i can do about that. The best trip, as ive said, was off fresh treasure coast mushrooms from the field, amazing!
thanks for the input.
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