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Stonehenge said: Here is some info for mr chemist. HCN has a density of 687.00 kg/m³. Air at sea level has a density of 1.225 kg/m³. So it does not just blow away easily even if vented into the air. It comes right back down and collects.
Asante, I accept your surrender.
Are you high?
I'm being serious, is your mind fucked up on a substance cause of the holiday?
HCN has a density of 687.00 kg/m³. Air at sea level has a density of 1.225 kg/m³
Mr chemist doesn't need to consult a single source to know that the number you used of HCN is of LIQUID HCN, not the vapor/gas. Mr chemist can also tell you that HCN gas is a bit less dense than air. How? Because Mr chemist can see at a glance that HCN has a lower molecular weight than even N2.
You are being amoron about this and thats not how I know you so either you are emotionally invested in this topic to the point of not thinking straight or you are intoxicated.
Zappa believe me I'm not for a second confusing the two of you. You make sense on this topic, hes making strange gestures.
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Asante, I don't see your reply about the 600 calories? You must have forgotten.
Maybe you should read up on Extermination Through Labor which consists of working people to death on a starvation diet of 600-1000 calories a day so that peoples bodies were used up at a convenient rate.
Its all in that link. Its all over the internet, not the fringe fascist sites but the respectable Internet.
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If you think there is a gas thats 600 times heavier than air something is seriously glitching in your head, is what I'm saying. That would be a gas as dense as wood.
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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: Asante]
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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: Asante]
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Lets see who is the moron?
Density of air 0.001185 G/ML Density of hcn gas .0687 g/mL
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_cyanide
It also says its highly poisonous and explosive. I guess we found out, didn't we?
You still have forgotten about the 600 calorie thing.
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Stonehenge said: Zappa, do you have anything to back up your lies with? I didn't think so. You are a liar.
other than tens of thousands of photograph, scores of bodies, eye witness accouns and the survivors that were released from these camps then they were taken by the allies? maybe we could look at journals and documents kept by the germans working in these camps but that again is probably insufficient proof
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Asante, I don't see your reply about the 600 calories? You must have forgotten.
I'll address that for you
yes, a person can do labor on a 600 calorie per day diet, we've seen it in korea and viet nam as well the european and pacific theaters in WWII
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zappaisgod said: It never ends with Helmut.
abspritzen
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You think I'm joking?
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I shit you not without skipping a beat she said "Oh! 1942?" 
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Stonehenge said: Lets see who is the moron?
It sure as fuck isn't Asante.
He at least has the intelligence to admit when he's being delusional.
You on the other hand.. Well..
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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: Asante]
#21897195 - 07/04/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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"The death toll remains unknown" from your source. I see nothing about 600 calories per day. Now you have changed it to 600 to 1000? Is that your final revision or will you change it again later? No one can work on 600 calories per day.
If the Nazis controlled all of Europe and could take what they wanted, it follows they had enough food. Why then starve your workers so they just last a few days then you have to train a new batch, etc.
You are making liberals look really bad.
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Pris, zappa lied when he said I was defending the Nazis.
>yes, a person can do labor on a 600 calorie per day diet, we've seen it in korea and viet nam as well the european and pacific theaters in WWII
Got anything to back that with? For how many days?
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Stonehenge said: If the Nazis controlled all of Europe and could take what they wanted, it follows they had enough food. Why then starve your workers so they just last a few days then you have to train a new batch, etc.
You are making liberals look really bad.
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Stonehenge said: Lets see who is the moron?
Density of air 0.001185 G/ML Density of hcn gas .0687 g/mL
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_cyanide
It also says its highly poisonous and explosive. I guess we found out, didn't we?
You still have forgotten about the 600 calorie thing.
I am not saying you are a moron but that you are acting like one, and that this is unusual for you.
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Density 0.687 g mL−1
Sweetie: that's the liquid. Its a liquid that weight 687 grams, or a bit more than 22 ounces, per liter.
HCN has a molar mass of 27 grams. A mole of gas at room temperature (25'C) is 24.45 liters. 27 grams divided by 24,450 is 0.0011043 gram per ML. Note that it indeed is lighter than air. See? I can do science me. Cheers, up the bum.
Did you take a lot of benzodiazepines, that you recall?
EDIT: oh and the explosive part? that is at 6% air concentration, 60,000 ppm, while it was used in the gas chambers at concenttrations of about 800 ppm. How the fuck do I know that? I linked it to you in "The Chemistry of Auschwitz".
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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: Asante]
#21897250 - 07/04/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nope, benzos are hard drugs. Stick with your mxe
You actually are right this time around. I have to hand it to you, you won a point on the facts. I looked in the wrong place for density again. Here is the density of the gas vs air
HCN (gas) .00249 g/mL Air .001185 G/ML
So cyanide gas is only just over twice as dense as air. Which means of course that it will sink to the ground rather than rise and blow away quickly. Just as I said.
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Kids these days.... I bet she can probably name all of the members of One Direction but doesn't know about a very influential person in history.
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Stonehenge said: Here is some info for mr chemist. HCN has a density of 687.00 kg/m³. Air at sea level has a density of 1.225 kg/m³. So it does not just blow away easily even if vented into the air. It comes right back down and collects.
Asante, I accept your surrender.
Asante didn't surrender. He gave up on you. The difference is important.
The gas blows away in the wind, much like your argument, and it also diffuses a bit. That works even for heavy gasses. For the third time, look up fume hoods. This principle is sound. And yet again, there are many other ways to safely remove a toxic gas from an enclosed area. Your inability to understand that doesn't make it impossible. Nice catch on that state change he tried to pull off there, Asante. 687 kg/m³ seemed a bit heavy for a gas.
And the prisoners survived until rescue got there. But not before they all teleported to the same place without anybody noticing so they could all organize this massive conspiracy you're talking about. That's the only way those prisoners could possibly have survived with minimal supervision for a short while. The way it happened in reality as corroborated by a huge number of interviews and reports is obviously too ridiculous to have actually happened. It's not like anybody has every survived a couple of days with minimal amounts of water and food. That would obviously be impossible. (facepalm just doesn't capture it )
That wiki quote had links to documents that were recovered from nazis and the links had Nazi testimony to back that stuff up. That's the idea behind citations. They reference information. You have to read them to get the value out of them though, so I see why you don't think it's worth much.
Care to post a link to that research about the lack of HCN gas used in the gas chambers? You haven't referenced a single thing yet except that post WW2 data on HCN gas exposure that I'm supposed to travel back in time to tell the Nazis about. You didn't even offer to let me borrow your hat. It was very inconsiderate of you.
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Stonehenge said: Nope, benzos are hard drugs. Stick with your mxe
You actually are right this time around. I have to hand it to you, you won a point on the facts. I looked in the wrong place for density again. Here is the density of the gas vs air
HCN (gas) .00249 g/mL Air .001185 G/ML
So cyanide gas is only just over twice as dense as air. Which means of course that it will sink to the ground rather than rise and blow away quickly. Just as I said.
Where did you get that figure? LInk meh. I just calculated the density for you, where did your new number come from. Link it.
THE MOLECULE IS TOO LIGHT TO PRODUCE SUCH A HEAVY GAS COMPARED TO AIR.
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Stonehenge said: "The death toll remains unknown" from your source. I see nothing about 600 calories per day. Now you have changed it to 600 to 1000? Is that your final revision or will you change it again later? No one can work on 600 calories per day.
If the Nazis controlled all of Europe and could take what they wanted, it follows they had enough food. Why then starve your workers so they just last a few days then you have to train a new batch, etc.
You are making liberals look really bad.
Dude, you know what?..surprise surprise it probably varied. You know, like a bullet for this dude...this dude we'll just work him till he drops on up to being able to provide a specific purpose then you get a little extra slop cuz we like you...
Youre making it seem like its real black and white here. Im sure different people would report various accounts of what they were fed. I do think I remember an account of someone eating a boot sole, and they would eat their clothes... I may be confusing that with somewhere else though.
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Here is some scientific evidence for you to sneer at. How do I know you will? Its the liberal pattern, name calling and then sneering.
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v11/v11p207_Staff.html
An Official Polish Report on the Auschwitz 'Gas Chambers'
Krakow Forensic Institute Confirms Leuchter's Findings
A recent investigation by a Polish government agency has authoritatively corroborated the findings of Fred Leuchter from his detailed 1988 on-site forensic examination of supposed German wartime extermination gas chambers. The American execution expert concluded that the "gas chambers" in the former concentration camps of Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek were never used to kill people. (On Leuchter's findings and the resulting international controversy, see his detailed Report, as well as The Journal of Historical Review, Summer 1989 and Winter 1990-91, and the IHR Newsletter, October 1990 and January 1991.)
Concerned at the impact of Leuchter's widely-circulated Report, the Auschwitz State Museum, a Polish government agency, commissioned the Institute of Forensic Research (Instytut Ekspertyz Sadowych) of Krakow to carry out its own investigation. The result: In a carefully worded six-page internal forensic report, the Institute's experts essentially replicated Leuchter's findings and implicitly corroborated his conclusions.
Consistent with Leuchter's investigation, the Institute's specialists detected absolutely no traces of cyanide (or ferro-ferri-cyanide compound) in most of the plaster and brick samples taken from the alleged extermination gas chambers. Traces of cyanides were detected in eight samples, seven of which were rooms in Block 3 of Auschwitz main camp where -as the Institute's experts acknowledge - inmate clothing was disinfected by "gassing" with Zyklon.
A barely detectable trace of cyanide compound was found in the eighth remaining "positive" sample, which was sample No. 15 from the alleged homicidal "gas chamber" in Krema building II in Birkenau. Significantly, this is the only sample taken from any of the supposed extermination gas chambers that showed any trace of cyanide. The presence of an almost indetectable trace in this sample is entirely in keeping with Leuchter's conclusion that the room from which it was taken must have been deloused with Zyklon at one time or another.
In an apparent attempt at "damage control," the authors of the Institute's report sought to play down or negate the significance of their own findings by asserting that any cyanide traces would have disappeared long ago under the impact of the weather and the elements. This assertion is simply not true, as Leuchter and other specialists have pointed out: •Precisely speaking, it is not hydrogen cyanide itself that leaves a trace, but rather the compounds that result from the interaction of hydrogen cyanide with iron and other heavy metal ions. The resulting ferro-ferri-cyanide compounds are very stable as James Roth, chief chemist of Alpha Analytical Labs in Massachusetts, testified in the 1988 "Holocaust" trial of Ernst Zündel. Even after 45 years, the compounds would not have "weathered away." •It is not true that all of the alleged gas chambers were exposed to the elements, as the Institute's experts contend. Specifically, the entire crematory facility (Krema) I in the Auschwitz main camp, including the alleged homicidal "gas chamber" there, has been completely intact since the camp was liberated by Soviet forces in January 1945. The authors of the Krakow Institute report make no effort to explain the absence of cyanide traces in this "gas chamber." Similarly, the alleged extermination gas chamber of crematory facility (Krema) II in Birkenau is protected by the collapsed concrete ceiling, and is otherwise in its original condition.
It is worth noting that the Krakow Institute's report did not respond at all to other compelling reasons given by Leuchter for doubting the orthodox extermination story. As he points out, for example, the alleged homicidal gas chambers he examined were not properly sealed or vented for use as killing facilities.
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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: Asante]
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Never fucking mind 
I decided to pre emptively dig for a quote you can trust
cdc.gov/niosh/docs/2003-154/pdfs/7904.pdf\
states loud and clear:
HCN vapor density 0.94 (air = 1)
See that? Even your friggin Government backs up what I just saw at a glance looking at the formula HCN. I'm not kidding, I can do science, me.
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