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MGW, would you mind showing us where I was disproved? Just saying it does not make it happen except in the minds of day dream believers. Tell me one point you disproved and show me the evidence? Just one thing.
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The only reason no one is "Dismantling HEAVY AIR QUOTES HERE "facts" is because we've all seen enough delusional people to know that arguing with them is pointless.
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So you have nothing but continue to sneer and insult in hopes that it will cover the fact you have no argument to counter mine?
The only reason no one is dismantling my arguments and points is because you can't. I may be wrong about some things I said but the logical holes in the fable simply won't go away by pretending they don't exist. Any sources given by me will instantly be attacked as being biased or for being linked to by a group you hate. Standard liberal strategy.
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Go read a book.
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You people are strange.. It's safe to say those Nazi boys did just about everything. They weren't particular, they did that shit for fun. I've seen enough footage, read enough books, and talked to enough vets to know it wasn't a one off...they fucking did just about everything thinkable. Im by no means an "expert" but I know what Ive seen and been told isn't some fabrication....
This has become kind of redundant at this point..
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Stonehenge said: I see mgw is back for another beating
>PC crowd? What the hell are you raving on about? You're suggesting that all those people were secretly killed by other methods even though gas chambers and crematoriums were built all over the place
They were not all over the place and the crematoriums could scarcely keep up with civilian deaths. The gas chambers were examined and no traces of cyanide were found. Sorry.
>It's obviously toxic enough to rapidly kill a bunch of people in an enclosed area at relatively low concentrations. When you vent it, you vent it somewhere were there aren't any people (like a few hundred feet up in the air) and by the time it gets to where people are, it's too dilute to be significantly toxic
It doesn't have to be enclosed, if you read the info I posted it says its deadly outside too. No trace of those several hundred feet tall vents you imagined. Would you work at a job where they vented cyanide all day every day? Tell me again why they didn't build that out in the woods where poisoning would not be a problem? You also dodged the fact is is very flammable and explosive and in many cases the showers were right next to the ovens.
Why were so many prisoners liberated? Cutting off food and water for a few days would have killed them. Seems like the germans weren't good at all at killing people yet we are never supposed to question the 6 million jews figure.
Lets not examine facts, lets call names. Oh, I see you folks are using that exact "strategy" I wonder why?
Wan, they can't do it. They have tried and failed so they fall back on standard liberal tactics.
So first, HCN is pretty volatile, meaning it wouldn't stick around for long and it'd be REALLY hard to find traces of it on the walls years later. I'd like to see that study if you can find it. Second, Asante already addressed that point. CO is a gas, and it's also pretty deadly. See how they found that tank engine connected to the gas chamber. That's a hint about what those chambers did. The actual gas used is pretty unimportant though, and they may have switched gases at some point for whatever reason.
I was using the several hundred foot tall vent as an example, there are many other ways to safely dispose of a toxic gas. I don't know what method they used, and I'm starting to strongly suspect that your chemistry background isn't the strongest, so I won't attempt to guess. If the gas is well enclosed in a room, which HCN would be, then you can risk a small leak without fear of an explosion (the gas isn't concentrated enough to explode). You probably wouldn't want an open flame inside the chamber however. It's the same deal for CO gas. The toxicity of HCN depends on it's concentration. It's only deadly if it's adequately concentrated. It not about being inside or outside. It's just way easier to control the concentration in an airtight room. Any way you look at it, it's was an easy engineering problem for the times. Now, lets do a sanity check again just to make sure you're still crazy. What where those gas chambers used for? Any ideas?
The prisoners were liberated for obvious reasons. But I'll state an easy one for you. There were no Nazis left to run the camps. The prisoners were freed so they could be helped. Why would you want to leave them in the camps when it was unnecessary to do so?
Why don't you succinctly state your point again for the purposes of clarity. I'm having trouble discerning it from your posts.
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Stonehenge said: MGW, would you mind showing us where I was disproved? Just saying it does not make it happen except in the minds of day dream believers. Tell me one point you disproved and show me the evidence? Just one thing.
You initially made a point that the holocaust couldn't have happened the way it is commonly believed to have happened because it didn't make sense from an efficiency or feasibility standpoint (paraphrasing). Then you added a bunch of stuff to your argument and it lost it's coherency. Restate your point in a clear and succinct manner, and I, and possibly some others, will do our best to address this question.
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WAN said: You guys should deal with (and dismantle, if possible) Stone's points and arguments, instead of jeering at him on the sideline.
We have. Repeatedly over many years
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I wouldn't call him elaborate. He is an illiterate bore who continues to flog a fantasy into oblivion.
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A semi-coherent post, you are getting a little better.
>HCN is pretty volatile, meaning it wouldn't stick around for long and it'd be REALLY hard to find traces of it on the walls years later.
Wrong, it forms a compound with the wall material which is blue.
>The toxicity of HCN depends on it's concentration. It's only deadly if it's adequately concentrated
Your chemistry knowledge is obviously lacking. Here is a link to ignore showing it starts to be toxic at 8 parts per billion and chronic exposure builds up over time.
http://oehha.ca.gov/air/chronic_rels/pdf/74908.pdf
You repeatedly run away from the question of would you work at a place that vented cyanide?
>The prisoners were liberated for obvious reasons. But I'll state an easy one for you. There were no Nazis left to run the camps.
Then who fed them and gave them water? All they had to do was leave them without both, locked up and in a few days its all over.
>Why don't you succinctly state your point again for the purposes of clarity.
My point is we need to examine the so called facts of history using science and logic instead of just believing what someone wrote or said. Why are you and the others so against examining facts? What are you afraid you will find?
Instead of facts you constantly make insults and dodge the tough questions.
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Stonehenge said: Standard liberal strategy.
You are so stuck in a conservative delusion that you are sucking the dick of Hitler just to strike at the "liberals". This isnt about liberal or conservative, this is about getting your facts straight.
Nobody is addressing your "points" because the way you go about this is nonsensical.
Did you actually watch the video that showed the film reels that were presented as evidence of the concentration camps at the Nuremberg trials? Nuuu, your mind is made up.
Did you read "The Chemistry of Auschwitz" I posted in reply to your post? Probably not and if you did you skimmed it looking to find a oneliner to refute with your white power website bullshit rhetoric. I know where your "points" come from, they come from neonazi sites and revisionist historians who are either holocaust apologists or deniers.
"diesel engines produce little carbon monoxide"
You obviously nreed some reading up on internal combustion engines. Firstly, they use up oxygen which is lethal even without carbon monoxide. Secondly, if you increase the fuel to oxygen ratio they pump out high concentrations of carbon monoxide.
Want proof of that?
Here You Go
Will you read it? I doubt it.
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Why were so many prisoners liberated? Cutting off food and water for a few days would have killed them.
That would have rendered the entire camp unusable. And since you are so concerned that so many got away: maybe a hundred thousand survivors and millions killed. The Germans sure put up an effort.
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What you're doing is a disgrace to true Conservatism, you are defending Nazism, the ultimate Big Government regime.
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Almond Flour said: Can you guys believe this shit? Who is Hitler? That is the answer to a question I asked a young family member of mine.....a young teen......and that was her response. Who is Hitler?
Are you fucking serious? Granted she was a freshman in high school at the time, but what kind of bullshit is this? Are our schools and the liberal media so desperate to erase history or anything unpleasant that our children dont even know of histories greatest monster! The Ledgend himself.....Satan incarnate!
WHAT THE FUCK!
Whos Hitler? I want all of you supreme court worshiping, confederate flag hating (simply because its now trendy to hate), yerba mate drinking, SCRUBS to fucking Meditate on that shit.
Who is Hitler? Thats the fucking future we are giving our kids. Sending them out into the world, with that question on their minds when confronted about a pivotal point in our human history 
Stonehenge isnt a liberal and hes the only one here turning history upside down.
Who is Hitler? Educate that kid before people like Stonehenge get at her.
...and yes Stonehenge you really are the big bad wolf in this topic.
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Putting aside your delusional understanding of military culture, you're mixing your time line all up with that toxicology stuff. When were those studies on HCN toxicity done? Because I'm not willing to smuggle science through time to inform the Nazis about potential dangers that they probably wouldn't care about anyway. It would be a dick move on your part, but you can do that yourself. Don't forget your tinfoil hat though.
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My point is we need to examine the so called facts of history using science and logic instead of just believing what someone wrote or said. Why are you and the others so against examining facts? What are you afraid you will find?
Ya, that's what all those historians who wrote those books and came up with those facts did. What you're doing is leaping to conclusions that aren't supported by any evidence and failing to make a coherent point that unifies all the little claims you've made. Why are you fighting against your own point?
What I meant to ask is what specific point were you trying to make about the holocaust?
The Nazis fed them and gave them water, then the Nazis left, then the allies came in and liberated the prisoners? What's the problem with that?
Here's a wiki quote about the use of HCN gas in some of the gas chambers. You'll notice that it has citations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_chamber
"The Nazi concentration and extermination camps including Auschwitz and Majdanek used hydrogen cyanide in the form of Zyklon B. The first experimental gassing with Zyklon B took place at Auschwitz I on September 3, 1941 in the cellar of Block 11 using 600 Soviet POWs and 250 other prisoners who were sick and no longer able to work.[17][18] The gas chosen by the command of Operation Reinhard was exhaust gas from internal combustion engines (detailed in the Gerstein Report among others).[19] In order to process the victims delivered in Holocaust trains each day, the killing centres at Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor during the most deadly phase of the Holocaust in Poland utilized the cheapest available killing agent for the barracks with the gas chambers in them. Along with the Nazi cross-European policy of genocide against the Jews, the SS "processed" there thousands of Romani people, homosexuals, physically and mentally disabled, intellectuals and the clergy from all occupied territories.[17]"
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Sigh... more baloney
>Nobody is addressing your "points" because the way you go about this is nonsensical.
You and the others can't refute anything, I think that's what you meant to say.
>Did you actually watch the video that showed the film reels that were presented as evidence of the concentration camps at the Nuremberg trials? Nuuu, your mind is made up.
I've seen them before. As I've said umpteen times, I agree there were camps and that people died. Why cant you get that through your head?
Neither did I say it was impossible to kill someone with diesel fumes. I said it was incredibly inefficient and if the Nazis were supposed to be anything, it was efficient. You simply can not kill millions of people that way. I'm sure a few were killed like that and by various methods. As I've said over and over and over, the Nazis were bad and I'm not defending them.
me >>Why were so many prisoners liberated? Cutting off food and water for a few days would have killed them.
you >That would have rendered the entire camp unusable
mgw said they weren't killed because there were no more Nazis, they all fled. If they were fleeing they care nothing about that. I ask again, who fed and watered the prisoners so that there were lots to liberate, millions apparently.?
Have you abandoned your statement about 600 calories a day? When a liberal sees he is wrong, he changes the subject.
>What you're doing is a disgrace to true Conservatism
I'm not a conservative, never said I was. Are we doing a lot of mxe today?
>you are defending Nazism
Never did, show me one place I defend it? I simply want to examine the historical record which you and others hysterically insist must not be questioned. Its like mocking the Koran, they want to kill you. The liberals have their own Koran and no one may question or mock it.
mgw, you are a sad case. A Wikipedia quote, that's what you've got?
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You and the others can't refute anything, I think that's what you meant to say.
I have refuted things in the post you react to but you brushed them away and dont even recognize them as such.
Nothing short of brain surgery can get the point across to you man, I'll stop arguing with you because you are obviously going nuts over this.
Fourth of July man, go light some fireworks.
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Here is some info for mr chemist. HCN has a density of 687.00 kg/m³. Air at sea level has a density of 1.225 kg/m³. So it does not just blow away easily even if vented into the air. It comes right back down and collects.
Asante, I accept your surrender.
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The amount of stupid in this thread is making my balls recede back into my stomach.
And it's all coming from one single person.
I'll let everyone guess who it is.
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He is not conservative. He is a lunatic bigot who wishes that the Nazis had been more efficient. I'm a conservative. Do you think I'm the same? Nazi = National SOCIALIST Party
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You and the others can't refute anything, I think that's what you meant to say.
I have refuted things in the post you react to but you brushed them away and dont even recognize them as such.
Nothing short of brain surgery can get the point across to you man, I'll stop arguing with you because you are obviously going nuts over this.
Fourth of July man, go light some fireworks.
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Zappa, do you have anything to back up your lies with? I didn't think so. You are a liar.
Asante, I don't see your reply about the 600 calories? You must have forgotten.
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I have pretty much every history book not written by an antisemitic whackjob.
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