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Bill_Oreilly
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zappaisgod said: No flaming in the Pub
Theres a difference between saying someone is acting like a dick and if you are calling someone a dick.
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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: Asante]
#21893606 - 07/03/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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>Look into Majdanek. Small camp, could only house a few guards and inmates and all they did was let the train come in, run them to the gas chamber, process the corpses and burn them before the next train came.
And you know this how? Because you were told that.
>What is little known to you is that there were prison camps, like Stalags, Labor Camps where people were worked to death on 600 calories a day
That makes no sense at all. Why would they give only 600 calories a day when they wanted them for labor? After a few days of working with almost no food, they are too weak to do anymore work. Give them some cheap food and they keep on going. You are just reciting what someone told you.
>and Death Camps where they were preferably immediately put to death.
You believe the stories about gas chambers? How did they burn all those bodies? Millions of bodies according to the story? Bodies are some 90% water and they don't burn very well. It takes tons of coke, coal, or wood to burn a few bodies let alone millions.
Did you know that millions of germans died during that period? Most from disease, starvation and cold? They were burned in the crematoria and the ashes thrown wherever. They were overwhelmed by the deaths of civilians but you say they murdered millions of jews and burned them all somehow when they were desperately short of fuel?
Why are there still today so many survivors of the camps? There must have been millions liberated to have that many today. Do you ever question what you are taught and told or do you just accept it as fact?
>Study up man, and not from rightwing revisionist sources but from actual historic sources.
I've been doing that. You might want to do the same since the history in books today is the revisionist version fed to the gullible.
I see what you are trying to do. You are trying to put me in the group that says nothing happened, no one died, and so on. Sure, lots of people died, millions probably died who went to the camps since disease swept through, there was little food and people died left and right. How were there any prisoners left to liberate? All they would have to do is stop feeding and watering them and in 3 to 5 days they would be dead. They must have shared what little food they had with the prisoners, like we do here or like you do in swamp Germany. I love that term.
I want to examine the record and correct the many errors. But, hysterical people won't have any of it and call anyone names who wants to look at the facts. Why are people so afraid of facts?
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Most of the Jews were buried in huge pits. I don't know where you get the idea that they were all burned.
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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: koods]
#21893884 - 07/03/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why dont you people just convert to Christianity already. For heavens sake I am talking about HITLER, and you some how managed to twist the first 4 pages of this thread into another God Issue.
If you people love talking about him so much, why dont you join his church? The Holy Catholic Church
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That's funny, I wasn't talking about God. There is no such thing. I was talking about that reprehensible Catholic Church.
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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: koods]
#21893910 - 07/03/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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AF, since you're the church's chief propagandist here, why don't you tell us why the church dropped the ball on WWII.
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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: Asante]
#21893931 - 07/03/15 06:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Asante, are you going to sit there and seriously tell me you believe people can do hard labor on 600 calories a day? A well fed European or American might last a week tops before keeling over. Virtually all in Europe those days were not well fed, they were very thin to start with. They would be done in a day or two
Tell me how they kept them going without food? Torture, threat of death? When your body gives out, you would welcome the bullet. If they can force people to do impossible things, why not command them to shit gold bricks?
Explain to me why if their goal was to get rid of as many jews, poles, gypsies, and Russians as possible, why did they gas them in the tiny chambers and then burn them with scarce fuel? Why not simply take them out to sea on a barge, dump them off and come back for another load? No bodies to cremate, not even any expensive cyanide gas. Do you think the germans were too dumb to figure that out.
Since asante is obviously not going to give a straight answer to logical questions like these, can anyone else explain it?
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Expensive cyanide gas? You're just delusional
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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: koods]
#21894212 - 07/03/15 07:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: Expensive cyanide gas? You're just delusional
Last time I picked up some cyanide it cost me a pretty penny.
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Psychonautica said: How did anne frank write a diary if she was deaf, dumb, and blind?
The holocaust never happened.
That's Helen Keller
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$123 for a kilogram of NaCN at sigma Aldrich.
200 mg is more than enough to kill a person, so that is 5000 fatal doses or $.03 each.
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Psychonautica said: How did anne frank write a diary if she was deaf, dumb, and blind?
The holocaust never happened.
That's Helen Keller
exactly. The nazis didn't kill Helen Keller despite what the history books say.
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That is a good one. A little comedy relief.
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that's a good one, too, a little righteous indignation over event's 70 year's past.
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Its no surprise that no one has any answers. But now a few are wondering perhaps "why didn't I think of that?" and perhaps even a few are daring to question the orthodoxy they have been taught?
If you want to get rid of as many people as possible as we are told according to the holocaust story, there are far easier and better ways to do it. Poison gas hidden in showers and truck exhaust are ridiculous methods. A barge can hold hundreds at a time, maybe thousands depending on how big they are. Promise to take them to their own island, dump them 20 miles from land out in the ocean. 10 barges making 3 trips a day will do the job and no need for tons of fuel. Burning 1 million bodies requires hundreds of millions of pounds of fuel which along with everything else was is very short supply. People were freezing to death in winter, they could not spend that much fuel on executions. Did they let their own people die of cold so they could burn jews?
Or, simply line them up near a cliff, push them over with bulldozers into a pit. The fall kills them and when the pit is full, put earth over the top. Minimum cost, and no burning needed.
But according to the fable, they could not come up with simple methods like this, they had to trick them into going into showers and used poison gas. What happens to the gas after its used? It gets released into the air. You want cyanide gas released near your city? Neither did they. Sorry, but the story simply does not add up, makes no sense.
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Whatever you say Helmut.
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where do you live that the schools don't teach about the holocaust? in my area, kids start reading at least one piece of literature per school year on the subject starting in grade 3 or 4.
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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: koods] 2
#21896266 - 07/04/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: I wonder if he confessed before his death so he could get into heaven like the rules say. Confess he genocide and get into heaven. Great philosophy.
what the rules actually say:
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“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. 38 Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”
something tells me that hitler isn't hanging out with jesus in heaven lol
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Stonehenge said: Its no surprise that no one has any answers. But now a few are wondering perhaps "why didn't I think of that?" and perhaps even a few are daring to question the orthodoxy they have been taught?
If you want to get rid of as many people as possible as we are told according to the holocaust story, there are far easier and better ways to do it. Poison gas hidden in showers and truck exhaust are ridiculous methods. A barge can hold hundreds at a time, maybe thousands depending on how big they are. Promise to take them to their own island, dump them 20 miles from land out in the ocean. 10 barges making 3 trips a day will do the job and no need for tons of fuel. Burning 1 million bodies requires hundreds of millions of pounds of fuel which along with everything else was is very short supply. People were freezing to death in winter, they could not spend that much fuel on executions. Did they let their own people die of cold so they could burn jews?
Or, simply line them up near a cliff, push them over with bulldozers into a pit. The fall kills them and when the pit is full, put earth over the top. Minimum cost, and no burning needed.
But according to the fable, they could not come up with simple methods like this, they had to trick them into going into showers and used poison gas. What happens to the gas after its used? It gets released into the air. You want cyanide gas released near your city? Neither did they. Sorry, but the story simply does not add up, makes no sense.
I went to see the ruins of Auschwitz when I was in Poland. Every guard tower around the perimeter had two other guard towers in view. The dirt was so compacted from all the people walking on it over fifty years ago that there wasn't much grass growing on it. There were shabby foundations left over from all the buildings as far as I could see. In the few standing buildings there were bunk beds (more like straw covered boards in the wall), and the wooden walls had writing carved on top of writing carved on top of writing. There were two crematoriums there that ran 24-7, and I'm sure a lot more people died of starvation, heat stoke, and exhaustion. They had the healthier ones work in a nearby munitions factory to support the war effort. That whole camp was engineered by people who knew what they were doing. Some serious thought and effort was put into it's development. I was proud as hell when I read that some the people who were forced to work in the munitions factory had the will to smuggle enough gun powder into the camp to blow up one of the crematoriums. One of those crematoriums was left in ruins and the other was left standing.
Bullets would have been a hell of a lot cheaper than a barge, but all those things were being used in combat, and resources like steel were tight in WW2 Germany. Nobody was tricked into getting into a chamber, they were tactically and strategically forced into those camps and those chambers, and the costs were put on Germany's people (or the conquered countries when possible). They could have used that fuel to heat houses, but burning people alive was more important to them. After all what use is a warm home when the jewish vermin are still infesting your neighborhood. It's better to be could and safe than to let vermin spoil the whole country/world. And I doubt anybody even bitched about the cyanide in the air. Those people would have been branded as deviants. What was important was that the jews and the weak were ruining the world, and the vermin needed to be eradicated. One of the most amazing things about the Nazis was how they got the general population to believe their brand of bullshit. It worked.
I looked for a way to break out of that camp, and there wasn't one. You'd need a sizable and well equip army to get out from the inside, and those people were starving civilians. Like I said, those camps were well engineered, and cowboy bullshit wasn't going to help anybody. You can say the story doesn't make any sense, and that is absolutely true, but it did happen, and it turns out that humanity is not above that kind of wasteful insanity on a massive scale. I thought we were above that shit as a species, and I didn't realize how wrong I was until I saw that camp. I was just plain wrong, and it was a fairy tale to think otherwise. There's nothing like that in the first world today that you can relate to, which is why you can call it a fable. The Nazis could have built something great, but they built something unbelievably vile instead. That seems ridiculous, but go look at the ruins if you can't believe it. That's what we made the Nazis do to get them to see how real the atrocity was.
Saying the holocaust was a fable is like calling the pyramids a fable. The holocaust left giant monuments behind.
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How about we do the timewarp and swap you out with a Jew on transport to.. mm lets see.. Belzec?
Yes Belzec would be perfect for you to verify your labor camp theory. 430,000-500,000 were brought there, 7 survived. Yes seven. They spread the ashes and tore down the camp, mission accomplished.
Belzec was never liberated, it served its purpose and was dismantled before the war ended. Locals had to tell the allies there even was a camp.
Belzec Extermination Camp
Or how about the Holocaust By Bullet? Marauding Einsatzgruppen went from village to village in eastern europe, rounded up all the Jews, dug a trench and shot them all, stacking them in rows atop each other. Bit of sand on top and, on to the next village.
Logic =/= Nazis
Nazis exterminated because they hated. It doesnt make any sense except that it was based on hate. Don't try to make sense of it in your peculiar way because you are pissing on the graves of millions including those of the Allied soldiers who gave life and limb to rid the world of the evil of its time.
Its not about Liberal vs Conservative, Zappaisgod is the least liberal of any of us, its about informed vs misinformed.
You are spreading harmful misinformation.
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