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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: Lucis]
    #21898415 - 07/04/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

that shit was a terrible apologia.  what i got from that 15 min was that hitler was brave. hitler was always a bit fanatical. hitler thought that violence was a great method of persuasion. hitler needed a scapegoat for Germany's failure to win the war.


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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21898426 - 07/04/15 08:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Life is too short to spend it being an ignorant, oblivious asshole.




if I didn't like my sig so much



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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21898436 - 07/04/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

you should watch the whole thing, my jaw was on the floor after watching it.

it's basically a documentary about how the whole nazi party was against communism and that is why they did all the gnarly things they did, there is some truth to that, but that does not justify the way they handled a great many situations.


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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #21898494 - 07/04/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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The Ecstatic said:
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zappaisgod said:
Life is too short to spend it being an ignorant, oblivious asshole.




if I didn't like my sig so much



I can turn a phrase on occasion, can't I?




:yeahthatsright:


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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21898547 - 07/04/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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that shit was a terrible apologia.  what i got from that 15 min was that hitler was brave. hitler was always a bit fanatical. hitler thought that violence was a great method of persuasion. hitler needed a scapegoat for Germany's failure to win the war.





violence does get shit done


also, since when is this any more courageous than hitler



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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21898638 - 07/04/15 09:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Oh...I get it.  So you can't deal with my "racist garbage", and now you want the mods to ban me.  Very convenient way of getting rid of intellectual opponents who you disagree with but cannot properly defeat in a debate.

I gotcha









Disturbing as it may or may not be, I believe Stonehenge is sincere in what he says and contributes on many levels on the site. You however don't come across as sincere and your appeal to being considered naive is failing completely because of what you say in this and other threads. There is an agenda here and its not in the Shroomery's best interest.



Oopsie.

Permaban might be a bit much though




Ya, I second this. The dude ought to get a stern warning at least before the perma ban. He's such a young poster. He could still learn a lesson from a temp ban or a solid warning. I don't know what's up in the other threads, but he seemed to be making an effort to try to be polite in this thread.


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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #21898654 - 07/04/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think it's a she and I think the powers that be tend to adjust these things.  If necessary I will make a case for reinstatement in the complaints forum because she is generally OK


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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21898766 - 07/04/15 09:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Reinstate WAN 2015 YOU decide

i vote for reinstatement. she's an admitted (asian)white supremicist, but she's also fun to chat with:shrug:


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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21898780 - 07/04/15 10:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Doesn't seem like she deserves capital punishment for that shit.  And it was shit but if the ban goes on I will lobby for her


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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21899092 - 07/04/15 11:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Looks to like she basically just got banned because of Asante's own personal feelings on the matter. I normally don't involve myself in the ban-drama but I'm doing it this time. I've seen (and continue to see) people post much worse stuff, and admit to being trolls, and they don't even get a slap on the wrist. At worst they get their thread locked/deleted. If she really was banned for the community's best interest as he claims, then he's got his work cut out for him. There is a lot banning that needs to be done.

And yes I even looked at some of the other posts he referenced, and I still stand by what I said. Seems more like a personal vendetta than "for the good of the community".  They have an opinion, not a very well received one, but it is still their opinion and they have the right to give it IMO.

Don't like their opinion? Attack it, debate it or ignore it. Silencing it is just a cop out.


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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #21899520 - 07/05/15 02:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Easy guys, I dialed it back to a week and hope this wake up call will have the desired effect.


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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #21899536 - 07/05/15 02:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Can you guys believe this shit? Who is Hitler? That is the answer to a question I asked a young family member of mine.....a young teen......and that was her response. Who is Hitler?

Are you fucking serious? Granted she was a freshman in high school at the time, but what kind of bullshit is this? Are our schools and the liberal media so desperate to erase history or anything unpleasant that our children dont even know of histories greatest monster! The Ledgend himself.....Satan incarnate!

WHAT THE FUCK!

Whos Hitler? I want all of you supreme court worshiping, confederate flag hating (simply because its now trendy to hate), yerba mate drinking, SCRUBS to fucking Meditate on that shit.

Who is Hitler? :pokerawe: Thats the fucking future we are giving our kids. Sending them out into the world, with that question on their minds when confronted about a pivotal point in our human history :suicide:




You sound like a Hitler worshiper.


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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21899539 - 07/05/15 02:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Also, I'm late to this particular Pube conflagration but I would like to point out that WAN is on record as thinking it's okay to joke about rape


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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21899543 - 07/05/15 02:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

They're hardly alone in that. Even Paltal has done it.

Bassfreak has done it, but he and "his kind" (no offense Bass) you kinda expect it from them. You don't really expect something like that from Paltal. They aren't the only ones either. :shrug: If that's worthy of a ban or something, then again, there needs to be a mass banning.

Also


:evil:


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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #21899553 - 07/05/15 02:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I would say that rape jokes are an aggravating factor when weighing the merits of an existing ban


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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #21899569 - 07/05/15 02:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

And I file that under "you shouldn't ban someone just because you disagree with what they say". Is it tasteless and tacky? Sure. But I learned something when I was a kid that I carry with me to this day. Words are only words. They only bother you if you let them bother you. There should be less emphasis on censoring people and more emphasis on people ignoring what offends them. The world these days is way too damn sensitive. Every time I turn around now we're talking about banning something else because it's "offensive".

And I mean FFS we have a feature here that we don't have in real life. We can actually selectively and completely ignore what someone says. If you find a person only says shit you find offensive, block them. Never have to see it again. If you can't even get over what someone says on the internet, on a site where you have the option to completely block it out, how do you even exist in real life where you can only choose to not let something get to you?


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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #21899577 - 07/05/15 02:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

germans did what they did because they were catholic Lutherans and pissed off about the conclusion of WW1


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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #21899578 - 07/05/15 02:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

According to that logic, we shouldn't have bans at all. I disagree with this. The Shroomery is a very large community that tends to be very influential among its regular users, and it has a distinct culture that is influenced by the relative tolerance of the staff toward certain speech and behavior. The success or failure of the staff to deal with certain social problems as they are manifested by this community has real-world implications that go beyond "sticks and stones". The most salient example of this is of harm reduction with regards to illegal drugs, especially psychedelics, but this is only one possible example. In fact, the staff has a responsibility to limit the expression of racism and sexism within this community.

IMO the staff has failed miserably in this regard, and it seems that bigotry is growing within this community faster than it can be contained by the moderators. Asante is high at the wheel and while most of the mods are good, there aren't enough of them, and the few lackadaisical ones do more harm than the rest do good. The Shroomery is going to the dogs, IMO.


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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #21899581 - 07/05/15 02:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Holocaust denial is a much bigger and more important issue in Europe than it is in America. That sounds weird to say, but it's absolutely true.

Germans and Germany still experience a lot of hate and anger from people all over Europe on a day to day basis. And those germans haven't even done anything wrong.

Holocaust denial takes those feelings to the next level. I can understand where Asante is coming from, and how important this issue is for him. It's a very different culture when it comes to just how seriously they take World War 2.

Of course he has strong feelings about this. The Nazis came into his country, and nearly killed his family. They killed his family's friends, raped and murdered his neighbors indiscriminately, of course he has strong feelings.

The only thing that I can even compare it to in America would be talking about the civil war in an all black community in the south.


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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21899585 - 07/05/15 02:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I disagree that the logic leads to the conclusion of no bans at all. There's a fine line between hate speech and expressing an unpopular opinion. Yet the line is clearly visible and does exist. I can't give examples and illustrate my point, because I'm not risking a ban over doing so however. I'm not advocating for the freedom to come here and troll via racism or some other antagonist "viewpoint". Seashrooms is a pretty good example. Was he banned for expressing his views? His opinions were pretty much opposed by every single member on this site, yet he remains.


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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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