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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21897613 - 07/04/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Do you really think there are giant pools of sharks ready to eat thousands of people at a time? :lol:




What difference would it make if there were thousands or only hundreds of sharks? Are you saying the people would not drown? They probably would die of hypothermia before they drowned. Who cares how long it takes for them to be eaten?

A barge with 500 people on it making 3 trips a day is many many times faster than a gas chamber.






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The standard means of delivery was a 10 metre long cattle freight wagon, although third class passenger carriages were also used when the SS wanted to keep up the "resettlement to work in the East" myth, particularly in the Netherlands and in Belgium. The SS manual covered such trains, suggesting a carrying capacity per each trainset of 2,500 people in 50 cars, each boxcar loaded with 50 prisoners. In reality however, boxcars were crammed with up to 100 persons and routinely loaded from the minimum of 150% to 200% capacity.[38] This resulted in an average of 5,000 people per trainset; 100 persons in each freight car multiplied by 50 cars. Notably, during the mass deportation of Jews from the Warsaw Ghetto to Treblinka in 1942 trains carried up to 7,000 victims each.[39]

In total, over 1,600 trains were organised by the German Transport Ministry, and logged mainly by the Polish state railway company taken over by Germany, due to the majority of death camps being located in occupied Poland.[40] Between 1941 and December 1944, the official date of closing of the Auschwitz-Birkenau complex, the transport/arrival timetable was of 1.5 trains per day: 50 freight cars × 50 prisoners per freight car × 1,066 days = 4,000,000 prisoners in total.[1]

On 20 January 1943, Himmler sent a letter to Reich Minister of Transport, Julius Dorpmüller pledging: "need your help and support. If I am to wind things up quickly, I must have more trains."[41] Of the estimated 6 million Jews exterminated during World War II, 2 million were murdered on the spot by the military, political police, and mobile death squads of the Einsatzgruppen aided by the Orpo battalions and their auxiliaries. The remainder were shipped to their deaths elsewhere.
Payment

Most of the Jews were forced to pay for their own deportations, particularly wherever passenger carriages were used. This payment came in the form of direct money deposit to the SS in light of the "resettlement to work in the East" myth. Charged in the ghettos for accommodation the adult Jews paid full price one-way tickets, while children under 10–12 years of age paid half price. Those who were running out of money in the ghetto were loaded onto trains to the East as first, while those with some remaining supplies of gold and cash were shipped as last.[42]

The SS forwarded part of this money to the German Transport Authority to pay the German Railways for transport of the Jews. The Reichsbahn was paid the equivalent of a third class railway ticket for every prisoner transported to their destination: 8,000,000 passengers 4 Pfennig per track kilometer, times 600 km (average voyage length), equaled 240 million Reichsmarks. Children under four went free.[22]

The Reichsbahn pocketed both this money and their own share of the cash paid by the transported Jews after the SS fees. According to an expert report established on behalf of the German "Train of Commemoration" project, the receipts taken in by the state-owned Deutsche Reichsbahn for mass deportations in the period between 1938 and 1945 reached a sum of US $664,525,820.34.

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Due to delays and cramped conditions, many deportees died in transit. On 18 August 1942, Waffen SS officer Kurt Gerstein had witnessed at Belzec the arrival of "45 wagons with 6,700 people of whom 1,450 were already dead on arrival." That train came with the Jews of the Lwów Ghetto,[25] less than a hundred kilometers away.

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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21897716 - 07/04/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

me
>>They had spies, just like today

Adolph
>Fact not in evidence

Buy a clue since you don't have one

>if we bombed the camps who would the vast majority of the victims have been?

According to you and the rest of the sheep, they were headed right for the gas chambers or being worked to death on 600 calories per day. Still waiting on pris for that part. So you are saying it was good the allies didn't bomb the camps? You obviously are glad so many died so your favorite people could have a racket forever. That is truly vile. Engineer my ass.


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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
    #21897750 - 07/04/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>This isn't 4chan
>please go back there.


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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: Asante]
    #21897754 - 07/04/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, ho hum. Up to 5000 in a train, they have to take them to a camp, then according to the story, straight to the showers then find enough fuel to burn them all. They couldn't find enough food to feed the laborers but they had all the fuel they needed? In your dreams.

http://www.heartlandbarge.com/barge-weight-capacities-chart/

A barge of 250' x 54' has 13,500 square feet of space. Since you are talking about cramming in as many as would fit, that's well over 13,000 people they could get onboard. One barge trip is over twice as effective as your train scenario and no bodies to burn. Try again.


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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
    #21897770 - 07/04/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Wheres your heart in all of this? These are human lives you are talking about.


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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: Asante]
    #21897771 - 07/04/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Can you read German?


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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: Amanita86]
    #21897773 - 07/04/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I can yes! Not the handwriting, I tried, but the print, just fine.


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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21897780 - 07/04/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I don't care how this debate turns out, but I will ALWAYS find stone to be cute.  even if he loses (though not likely)


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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: WAN]
    #21897788 - 07/04/15 05:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Stonehenge won't lose because he disregards all facts and instead relies on neo nazi conspiracy theories.


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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: Asante]
    #21897798 - 07/04/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I can yes! Not the handwriting, I tried, but the print, just fine.



Dayum.. I wanted know who signed that and what they wrote..


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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #21897808 - 07/04/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Forgot? I commended you on it. Asante will never let you forget the one time he was right about something. He will also never answer when he knows he is wrong. 600 calories a day and they did hard labor? Pris, where is your back up to that?

A scientist tests the walls, gets the predicable attack from the left wing media and jewish groups. They don't want their gravy train derailed. Then the country of Poland does an official report, repeats the tests and comes to the same conclusion. Attack them too?




Pff. The country of Poland did not do that report. It was done by a group of scientists in Poland at IRFC. Leuchter was a fraud, dude (he was american by the way). He only had a bachelors degree and his methodology was bogus. And why do you keep talking about liberals? We're talking about fascism for fucks sake. This isn't american politics, though I suppose pris is a liberal by Nazi facsist standards.

Here's a link to another follow-up study conducted at IRFC with more refined methodology:

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/orgs/polish/institute-for-forensic-research/post-leuchter.report

with the finishing comments:
"
Final Remarks

The  present study shows that in spite of the passage  of  a
considerable period of time (over 45 years) in the walls  of
the  facilities  which  once were in contact  with  hydrogen
cyanide  the vestigial amounts of the combinations  of  this
constituent  of Zyklon B have been preserved. This  is  also
true  of  the ruins of the former gas chambers. The  cyanide
compounds  occur in the building materials only locally,  in
the  places  where the conditions arose for their  formation
and persistence for such a long time.

In  his  reasoning  Leuchter (2) claims that  the  vestigial
amounts  of  cyanide combinations detected  by  him  in  the
materials  from  the chamber ruins are residues  left  after
fumigations  carried out in the Camp "once,  long  ago"(Item
14.004  of  the  Report). This is refuted  by  the  negative
results  of  the  examination of the  control  samples  from
living quarters, which are said to have been subjected to  a
single  gassing,  and  the  fact  that  in  the  period  of
fumigation of the Camp in connection with a typhoid epidemic
in  mid-1942 there were still no crematoria in the  Birkenau
Camp. The first crematorium (Crematorium II) was put to  use
as  late  as  15  March 1943 and the others  several  months
later.
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Nice. Do you think he's still hysterical, or should we slap him around some more?



Why must you act in a such a sneering, jeering, smug way?  Don't you know that this is a very annoying trait?




It's the American way of arguing. You've got to hold your own on an emotional level otherwise the more intellectual level of the argument gets dismissed because the arguer looks weak. Listen to some political talk radio from Boston sometime to get a feel for how disrespectful it can be. If I recall Asian rhetoric is generally more polite and respectful and less direct. American rhetoric has a much more emotional aspect to it. I'd have cut back on the sneering jeering smugness if he was being more polite and reasonable in return though. I started out with a polite couple of posts, and then I accepted that I would have to use a harsher tone. You see he argues in stone hedge argues in a similar way, with slights and that kind of stuff. Nobody takes any of it personally for very long, and we're all still having fun with the argument as far as I can tell.


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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: Mr.GuessWork] * 1
    #21897810 - 07/04/15 05:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Not to himmler


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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: Asante]
    #21897850 - 07/04/15 05:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So there were traces of cyanide in the camp? And the camp was deloused at one time because of a typhoid outbreak which would leave traces? Ho hum, the tobacco crowd can show you a stack of "studies" indicating that tobacco is totally harmless and good for you.

Why is everyone so hysterical about examining the facts? That's all I want to do but it seems to be taboo. All asante and most of the rest can do is call names and sneer. Is that all you've got?

what about the 600 calorie a day statement and they were doing hard labor?

What about the barges that could haul 13,000 at a time? No bodies to burn.


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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #21897852 - 07/04/15 05:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Nice. Do you think he's still hysterical, or should we slap him around some more?



Why must you act in a such a sneering, jeering, smug way?  Don't you know that this is a very annoying trait?




It's the American way of arguing. You've got to hold your own on an emotional level otherwise the more intellectual level of the argument gets dismissed because the arguer looks weak. Listen to some political talk radio from Boston sometime to get a feel for how disrespectful it can be. If I recall Asian rhetoric is generally more polite and respectful and less direct. American rhetoric has a much more emotional aspect to it. I'd have cut back on the sneering jeering smugness if he was being more polite and reasonable in return though. I started out with a polite couple of posts, and then I accepted that I would have to use a harsher tone. You see he argues in stone hedge argues in a similar way, with slights and that kind of stuff. Nobody takes any of it personally for very long, and we're all still having fun with the argument as far as I can tell.




I see.  Sorry that I used such a harsh language towards you.  Apologies.

I think that if everybody is more polite towards each other even during heated discussions, it will be better.


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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: Amanita86]
    #21897862 - 07/04/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Its an order confirmation by Tesch & Stabenow (the company that delivered the Zyklon B to the camps, Bruno Tesch was hanged for this after the war because he deliberately supplied Zyklon B without the warning chemical that was to prevent people accidentally being exposed to dangerous concentrations, a grade of the product used for killing humans) and they co0nfirm the order of Oberscharführer (SS rank) Perschon (surname)

Items ordered were:

3 special forceps to punch a big hole in the lids of the cans
5 spare blades for these forceps
10 gas masks
200 filters for these gasmasks
1 gas residue indication device
20 rubber lids (placed over the cans between opening and deployment to prevcent gas evaporation)
6,000 cans of 1.5kg Zyklon CN (meaning pure HCN weight not including the inert carrier) for a total of 9,000 kg.


Stonehenge is probably jerking off to this like most holocaust deniers, they just get a kick out of hearing how the Jews got killed over and over again :awedisgust:


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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: Asante]
    #21897877 - 07/04/15 05:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Stonehenge is probably jerking off to this like most holocaust deniers, they just get a kick out of hearing how the Jews got killed over and over again :awedisgust:




If this is true, then maybe you should wonder why Jews are so universally hated.  Maybe...just maybe...its because their behaviors DO make others hate them?  Could this be a possibility?


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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
    #21897882 - 07/04/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You're very strangely obsessed with this barge idea...:awenuhuh:


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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: WAN] * 1
    #21897903 - 07/04/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Stonehenge is probably jerking off to this like most holocaust deniers, they just get a kick out of hearing how the Jews got killed over and over again :awedisgust:




If this is true, then maybe you should wonder why Jews are so universally hated.  Maybe...just maybe...its because their behaviors DO make others hate them?  Could this be a possibility?




What behaviors?  I realize that they are often insular and arrogant but so am I.  No.  It is just religious persecution


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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: Asante] * 2
    #21897907 - 07/04/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Are we done doing the liberal sneer yet?




Are you accusing Prisoner#1 of "the liberal sneer"? Rich!






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Re: Who is Hitler? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21897912 - 07/04/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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WAN said:
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Asante said:

Stonehenge is probably jerking off to this like most holocaust deniers, they just get a kick out of hearing how the Jews got killed over and over again :awedisgust:




If this is true, then maybe you should wonder why Jews are so universally hated.  Maybe...just maybe...its because their behaviors DO make others hate them?  Could this be a possibility?




What behaviors?  I realize that they are often insular and arrogant but so am I.  No.  It is just religious persecution




No.  Notice what the Nazis did to them (the Jews) is called genocide?  If Jews were merely a religious group then what the Nazis did would be called a religious persecution.  But instead, it's called genocide.  Therefore, Jews are a race.


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