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kyu
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Y sclerotia not myc?
#21891132 - 07/03/15 01:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hello people! How much sclerotia one needs to reach a good level 2 trip? I eat a tablespoon of cubensis mycelium for that purpose. And it works.
Yes, the concentration of active compounds in mycelium can be high enough.
Yes, it seems to become higher in some conditions (low humidity, low temperature, a bit of FAE, fruiting, nutritional value and texture of the substrate, quality of the spores used).
Yes, I eat the substrate (or make tea) and it might be stupid. But you know what? I inoculate that stupid grain, wait for three weeks (shaking the bags from time to time), and then I trip. Sometimes I fruit it just to collect spores.
Maybe I'm an idiot. But then I'm a happy idiot. And soooooooo incredibly lazy... Yes, lazy idiots can trip too!
Here are some facts to take into consideration: - Myc doesn't need much space to grow (unlike sclerotia), so it's best for stealth - Myc is less demanding - Myc grows faster - Psilocybe Cubensis is cheaper and more accessible
So, why not? And why eating sclerotia is ok and consuming mycelium is not ok?
PS: please, Shroomery gods, don't close the thread immediately, lets discuss this.
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Sys
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Re: Y sclerotia not myc? [Re: kyu]
#21891158 - 07/03/15 02:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think I have a few answers to your question: 1. Mycelium is not as easy to measure out, as the moisture levels/substrate weight/growth level/etc can be all over the fucking place, whereas with mushrooms or sclerotia, you can put it up on a scale and have a -pretty good- idea of how heavy you're about to trip. 2. Mycelium is a pain in the ass to store, it'd be virtually impossible to store fresh as the moisture content would guarantee that you'd get some sort of bacterial contaminant, unless you pressure cook your myc, which could very well fuck up your psilocybin content by forcing rapid oxidization, and pockets of heat possibly destroying other stabilizing elements in the myc that keep your beautiful psi-ins from breaking down. 3. A lot of substrates taste like ass, coir or h/poo are things I'm nowhere near down to guzzle up. WBS or Rye, maybe Brown rice, yeh sure. 4. You'd have to add an extra step in order to get more spores, which wouldn't be a huge problem, but it kinda blows your stealth a tiny bit. 5. CONTAMS: Mycelium can be intertwined with possible contaminants that you might not even see, imagine woofing down a ton of pre-color green mold and dealing with the aftermath of that.
On the other hand you do have a good point, right. You can grow a bag of mycelium VERY quickly, and have it last quite a bit if you're the only consumer, and if you're very careful with your sterile procedure, problems with eating contaminated myc wouldn't be too common. If you've got friends that are down to munch on some white puffy grains, good on you as well.
I'm interested in your tea method though, please make some sort of tek or pm me your method of preparation, I'd love to try it with some of my myc!
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Re: Y sclerotia not myc? [Re: kyu]
#21891164 - 07/03/15 02:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sys those were some excellent points.
OP Glad that eating mycelium is working for you.
The short answer is that for the majority of us, eating a tablespoon of mycelium would get us as high as eating a doughnut. We can grow sclerotia that are by weight many many times more potent than your mycelium and if you do a little bit of planning you can literally harvest a jar every single week for years. Sclerotia occupy EXACTLY THE SAME amount of space as growing mycelium because they form inside the jar and never need to be touched after inoculation. So for me it's not even a question.
Also, when fruiting P. Cubensis I get a biological efficiency of 200% or more if I don't fuck things up. Which means I can pull a much larger amount of active compounds off the substrate you are eating before allowing it to fruit. It's simply a much greater return on my investment of time, energy, and money. Fruit bodies can be stored for a very long time after they are dried. Mycelium will not last 1/10th as long.
Interested to hear if anyone else on here enjoys eating mycelium instead of actual fruit bodies......
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Edited by SteveRogers (07/03/15 02:19 AM)
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kyu
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Re: Y sclerotia not myc? [Re: Sys]
#21891197 - 07/03/15 02:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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2. I just dry it like fruits. It doesn't lose much potency with time and can be stored for months
1. Indeed, it's unpredictable. Every time I harvest mycelium, I need to try some to know how potent it is. 5. I need to admit that. Hopefully, low humidity and temperature decrease this risk.
About the tea: just add hot water and wait until it cools down. Previously crumble the myc to separate grains. It may look more like a strange soup than a mushroom tea (due to substrate brewing too), but it's ok.
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kyu
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Quote:
SteveRogers said: Fruit bodies can be stored for a very long time after they are dried. Mycelium will not last 1/10th as long.
I used to have such impression too, but recently I ate some magic grains that were more than 1 year old, and they were still potent. However, that's just one single case. Looks like myc can last long too if in proper conditions.
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kyu
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Re: Y sclerotia not myc? [Re: kyu]
#21891213 - 07/03/15 02:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Actually, I'm a very amateur grower and don't claim to have discovered the best or the easiest way to do it.
Just hey, there is such option.
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Re: Y sclerotia not myc? [Re: kyu]
#21891233 - 07/03/15 03:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I stand by my statement.
Glad it's working for you.
Anyone else have experience eating year old mycelium?
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I have read about this a few times. However, most of the debate concluded that mycelium was inactive with the exception of hyphal knots. This sparks my interest. I would think that the biggest reason that this is not a common practice is because (a.) you can't identify mycelium in nature and (b.) there is no commercial value. If a street dealer handed me a bag of colonized grains, I would slap him with it. I imagine that this practice is limited to very few home mycologists.
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Re: Y sclerotia not myc? [Re: Ncogneato]
#21891707 - 07/03/15 08:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You are correct. The hyphal knots contains active compounds while it appears the amount of actives in the mycelium is so small it is undetectable. Here in an excerpt from an FBI study to train police.
DETECTING PSYCHOACTIVE DRUGS IN THE DEVELOPMENTAL STAGES OF MUSHROOMS
Susan T Gross, B.A. Forensic Scientist, Minnesota Forensic Science Laboratory, 1246 University Ave. St. Paul, Minnesota. This project was supported by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). Minneapolis Field Office. Received 26 Feb. 1999: and in revised form 12 May 1999: accepted 23 Aug. 1999.
"The original spore solutions were analyzed by TLC and by GC/MS. No psilocyn or psilocybin were detected in any of the spore solutions.
Mycelium growth was observed from 4 to 6 days. Fruiting bodies were observed from 24 to 48 days. The average amount of time for the primordia to appear was 32 days. Samples of mycelium were taken after 13 days of growth, 20 days of growth, and at various other days of growth. A total of 29 samples of the white mycelium growth were analyzed. No psilocyn or psilocybin was detected in any of these 29 samples. Nine of the 29 samples were confirmed by GCIMS, and again no psilocyn was detected.
Samples were analyzed after the first sign of growth of mycelium knots. A total of 22 mycelium knot samples were analyzed by TLC. Samples were considered to be consistent with a standard if their relative Rr value and their color matched the standard also spotted on the plate. Samples were considered to indicate a standard if their relative Rr value matched the standard but the color was not as dark as the standard spotted. Of the 22 mycelium knot samples, 17 were consistent with psilocyn. Of these 17 samples, 8 were also consistent with psilocybin and I indicated there was psilocybin in the sample. Four samples were consistent with the psilocybin standard spotted on the TLC plate, and one of these samples also indicated there was psilocyn in the sample. There was no psychoactive drugs detected in one of the samples."
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Re: Y sclerotia not myc? [Re: kyu]
#21892672 - 07/03/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would take 10g fresh for level 2
doesn't sound like the smartest thing eating subs.. lol
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