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Re: New Poll 47% would vote for a Socialist [Re: Shins]
    #21942241 - 07/14/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Stone just wants to give billions of healthcare dollars to CEO scum like Rick Scott who then turn around and rip the Gov off.


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Re: New Poll 47% would vote for a Socialist [Re: Shins]
    #21942274 - 07/14/15 02:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Stealing money to give to the poor is not honest,  theft is dishonest. 

Also socialism creates poverty, its a feedbavk loop.




Who steal money exactly?


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Re: New Poll 47% would vote for a Socialist [Re: sweeper54]
    #21942289 - 07/14/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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sweeper54 said:
Stone just wants to give billions of healthcare dollars to CEO scum like Rick Scott who then turn around and rip the Gov off.




Are you insane or merely drunk?


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Re: New Poll 47% would vote for a Socialist [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21942298 - 07/14/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Neither


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Re: New Poll 47% would vote for a Socialist [Re: sweeper54]
    #21942310 - 07/14/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

In 1987, at age 34, he co-founded Columbia Hospital Corporation with two business partners; this merged with Hospital Corporation of America in 1989 to form Columbia/HCA and eventually became the largest private for-profit health care company in the U.S.[citation needed]

He resigned as Chief Executive of Columbia/HCA in 1997 amid a controversy over the company's business and Medicare billing practices; the company ultimately admitted to fourteen felonies and agreed to pay the federal government over $600 million, which was the largest fraud settlement in US history. Scott was not implicated and no charges were raised against him personally.

And the rest of the healthcare CEO scum ripping off the public.


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Re: New Poll 47% would vote for a Socialist [Re: sweeper54]
    #21942410 - 07/14/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Get rid of Medicaid and nobody will be able to rip it off.  Why did the Medicaid administrators and bureaucrats who were supposed to watch this shit get nothing?  What the fuck are we paying them for?  Idiots


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Re: New Poll 47% would vote for a Socialist [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21942438 - 07/14/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Single. Payer.


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Re: New Poll 47% would vote for a Socialist [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21942470 - 07/14/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
Single. Payer.



That is a lie.  There is nothing single payer about the millions and millions of people who will be forced to pay.  How's the VA doing?  Medicaid is stupid and sucks and you want the government to be more in charge?  It is a serious lack of intellect that would lead anybody but a total welfare leech to advocate for government health care.  They suck at it as has been demonstrated time and time again.


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Re: New Poll 47% would vote for a Socialist [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21942533 - 07/14/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I like free things, don't get me wrong, but where will this money to pay for all these things come from?




I'm so tired of this "socialism = free stuff" equivocation.

Read a damn book.




Is it a free book?


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Re: New Poll 47% would vote for a Socialist [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21942547 - 07/14/15 03:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Single. Payer.



That is a lie.  There is nothing single payer about the millions and millions of people who will be forced to pay.  How's the VA doing?  Medicaid is stupid and sucks and you want the government to be more in charge?  It is a serious lack of intellect that would lead anybody but a total welfare leech to advocate for government health care.  They suck at it as has been demonstrated time and time again.




It is worth reiterating that the U.S. spends far more than any other country per capita on healthcare and does very poorly on indicators of overall health. Clearly our system could be much better (to put it mildly), and a successful model that much of the world uses is the single payer system.


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Re: New Poll 47% would vote for a Socialist [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #21942599 - 07/14/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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BoldAsLove said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
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The Ecstatic said:
Single. Payer.



That is a lie.  There is nothing single payer about the millions and millions of people who will be forced to pay.  How's the VA doing?  Medicaid is stupid and sucks and you want the government to be more in charge?  It is a serious lack of intellect that would lead anybody but a total welfare leech to advocate for government health care.  They suck at it as has been demonstrated time and time again.




It is worth reiterating that the U.S. spends far more than any other country per capita on healthcare and does very poorly on indicators of overall health. Clearly our system could be much better (to put it mildly), and a successful model that much of the world uses is the single payer system.





:raisemyglass: It certainly can't be any worst.


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Re: New Poll 47% would vote for a Socialist [Re: Patlal]
    #21942803 - 07/14/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Patlal said:
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Shins said:
Stealing money to give to the poor is not honest,  theft is dishonest. 

Also socialism creates poverty, its a feedbavk loop.




Who steal money exactly?





See, you're not being honest.

where do you think the money comed from for social programs?  A magic box?


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Re: New Poll 47% would vote for a Socialist [Re: Shins]
    #21942817 - 07/14/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No level of healthcare will help fat fucks who binge eat hamburgers and bacon all day.  The US spends a lot on healthcare at least partially because Americans live unhealthy lifestyles.


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Re: New Poll 47% would vote for a Socialist [Re: Shins]
    #21942818 - 07/14/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Reappropriating funds from capitalist thieves though is perfectly honest.

See, it's all about perspective.


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Re: New Poll 47% would vote for a Socialist [Re: Shins]
    #21942831 - 07/14/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Shins said:
Quote:

Patlal said:
Quote:

Shins said:
Stealing money to give to the poor is not honest,  theft is dishonest. 

Also socialism creates poverty, its a feedbavk loop.




Who steal money exactly?





See, you're not being honest.

where do you think the money comed from for social programs?  A magic box?




Oh, you mean the same money used to blow people up thousands of miles away despite public disapproval?
You mean the same money used to pay for the well being of people outside the US?

Cause if money used by the feds toward social programs is theft, than all the money used by government is theft.


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Re: New Poll 47% would vote for a Socialist [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #21942939 - 07/14/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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BoldAsLove said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Single. Payer.



That is a lie.  There is nothing single payer about the millions and millions of people who will be forced to pay.  How's the VA doing?  Medicaid is stupid and sucks and you want the government to be more in charge?  It is a serious lack of intellect that would lead anybody but a total welfare leech to advocate for government health care.  They suck at it as has been demonstrated time and time again.




It is worth reiterating that the U.S. spends far more than any other country per capita on healthcare and does very poorly on indicators of overall health. Clearly our system could be much better (to put it mildly), and a successful model that much of the world uses is the single payer system.



Our cancer survival rates trash Britain's.  Our health care system drives innovation that gets exported to freebooter nations.  Single payer is a complete misnomer and a lie.  Millions of taxpayers support the system and the bums free ride.


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Re: New Poll 47% would vote for a Socialist [Re: Patlal]
    #21942952 - 07/14/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Patlal said:
Quote:

Shins said:
Quote:

Patlal said:
Quote:

Shins said:
Stealing money to give to the poor is not honest,  theft is dishonest. 

Also socialism creates poverty, its a feedbavk loop.




Who steal money exactly?





See, you're not being honest.

where do you think the money comed from for social programs?  A magic box?




Oh, you mean the same money used to blow people up thousands of miles away despite public disapproval?
You mean the same money used to pay for the well being of people outside the US?

Cause if money used by the feds toward social programs is theft, than all the money used by government is theft.




Blowing those fucks up is a social benefit the whole world takes advantage of.  The fact that the cunts in Europe and Canada don't pay their share is a shame on them.  Every fuckng European should suck an American cock that they aren't speaking Russian.


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Re: New Poll 47% would vote for a Socialist [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21943270 - 07/14/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>Blowing those fucks up is a social benefit the whole world takes advantage of

Again revealing your racist hatred toward arabs.


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Re: New Poll 47% would vote for a Socialist [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21943345 - 07/14/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Our cancer survival rates trash Britain's.  Our health care system drives innovation that gets exported to freebooter nations.  Single payer is a complete misnomer and a lie.  Millions of taxpayers support the system and the bums free ride.




And most people can't afford it. Healthcare is the single leading cause for people losing their homes

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/06/05/bankruptcy.medical.bills/


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Re: New Poll 47% would vote for a Socialist [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21943364 - 07/14/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Quote:

Patlal said:
Quote:

Shins said:



See, you're not being honest.

where do you think the money comed from for social programs?  A magic box?




Oh, you mean the same money used to blow people up thousands of miles away despite public disapproval?
You mean the same money used to pay for the well being of people outside the US?

Cause if money used by the feds toward social programs is theft, than all the money used by government is theft.




Blowing those fucks up is a social benefit the whole world takes advantage of.
 



How is it a social benefit?


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