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ISIS: What are we waiting for?
#21890467 - 07/02/15 10:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Let's be honest, ISIS isn't going to just disappear or stop causing havoc unless the civilized world stops them. They are going to continue to grow and become stronger. The longer we wait to take action the more lives that will be lost in the current and long run. For instance ISIS just executed 73 children and will continue to kill thousands of innocent people. I don't understand Obama's stance on this situation. He's said that they don't have a plan for like 6 months now. It seems like we could wipe out the majority of ISIS within a month of good air strikes. This would really hurt their recruiting too because people would see just how weak they truly are in the grand scheme of things.
So what's it going to take for us to finally step in and shut these clowns down? I honestly think it's going to take another attack at home. It's sad that we'd have to wait for something like this to happen before we finally say enough is enough. ISIS is literally trying to commit genocide on the entire world.
I'll end this by saying I'm not some fear monger. I'm just pointing out the inevitable. ISIS isn't going to go away without someone making them. I'd rather do it early and save thousands of extra lives than wait until they finally successfully orchestrate an attack on us and the public outcry sends us into battle.
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Magicman69] 1
#21890478 - 07/02/15 10:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Go ahead and type "The US Created" into google and see what the first autofill suggests.
That's why we're "waiting"
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Psychonautica] 2
#21890484 - 07/02/15 10:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm aware the USA had a role in creating ISIS. Are you suggesting that they knew this would end up happening and that was the plan all along?
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Magicman69] 1
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its not like it hasn't happened before, you think they would have learned from bin laden
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Magicman69] 2
#21890511 - 07/02/15 10:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: its not like it hasn't happened before, you think they would have learned from bin laden
Basically.
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Magicman69 said: I'm aware the USA had a role in creating ISIS. Are you suggesting that they knew this would end up happening and that was the plan all along?
How many terror groups do we need to create, fund, and arm before you realize this is them doing it?
9/11 fear mongering is over, and the government needs a new way to pass laws to take away our rights.
Creating isis and a big bad scary middle eastern boogieman is a good way to pass more "patriot acts" and take away our rights.
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I have a hard time believing that is the reason but I'm not really a conspiracy guy. I'm sure it's a nice side effect but honestly what does the government really gain by mass surveillance? It's not like they're in danger of being overthrown by some revolution.
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makaveli8x8 said: its not like it hasn't happened before, you think they would have learned from bin laden
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Magicman69 said: I'm aware the USA had a role in creating ISIS. Are you suggesting that they knew this would end up happening and that was the plan all along?
How many terror groups do we need to create, fund, and arm before you realize this is them doing it?
9/11 fear mongering is over, and the government needs a new way to pass laws to take away our rights.
Creating isis and a big bad scary middle eastern boogieman is a good way to pass more "patriot acts" and take away our rights.
That's assuming that attacks on U.S. soil are imminant. It seems to me that this is only a small portion of genocides occuring and is simply 'not our problem' until further notice. I'm honestly suprised we haven't increased military spending to keep this wildfire from spreading and starting up that good 'ol lucrative business.
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Magicman69] 2
#21890590 - 07/02/15 11:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Magicman69 said: It's not like they're in danger of being overthrown by some revolution.
Look the fuck around you dude. Yes they are. How many people are happy with the way the government is performing recently? Nobody.
We'll see a revolution in our life times, the only question is will it be peaceful, or will it be violent.
My guess is the latter.
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: AGUARES]
#21890596 - 07/02/15 11:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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See that's the wrong attitude in my opinion. "It's not our problem until further notice." It gets to the point of this thread which is that ISIS won't go away until we make it our problem. I'd rather do it now while they are still in somewhat infancy than let them terrorize and kill the region for a couple more years or hit us in one way or another.
Honestly it already is our problem. It's all over the news about a potential attack July 4th. Some people will not go do their usual 4th of July parades and such because of this threat. If it's effecting our sense of security at home it is our problem.
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Magicman69]
#21890605 - 07/02/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Where the heck in america do you live where you have any sense of safety or security?
It's either false, or you own a lot of fucking firearms.
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Psychonautica] 1
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I am quite suspicious that some institution like the FBI/CIA is still running groups like ISIS and al queda. (assuming that either of those groups REALLY exists)
Fear of terrorism has thrust the government into a position of even more power. If I ran the US, I could see staging terrorist action to scare the masses into giving me more power.
Seems like a no brainer actually. Just like how 9/11 was staged for similar reasons.
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Psychonautica] 1
#21890608 - 07/02/15 11:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Any individual or group that poses a 'threat' to US interests are considered a terrorist in Uncle Sam's eyes.
I have lost faith in what the media reports especially after the invasion of Iraq.
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Magicman69 said: It's not like they're in danger of being overthrown by some revolution.
Look the fuck around you dude. Yes they are. How many people are happy with the way the government is performing recently? Nobody.
We'll see a revolution in our life times, the only question is will it be peaceful, or will it be violent.
My guess is the latter.
I think there will be a political revolution or renaissance in our lifetime but not a violent revolution. Honestly were already seeing this with things like gay marriage and weed legalization. I only see this trend continuing. We might be in the renaissance right now and not even know about it.
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Magicman69] 1
#21890615 - 07/02/15 11:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You're flip flopping a lot in this thread man..
Are you a politician?
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Magicman69]
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i understand gay marriage, but why would people start a revolution over weed getting legalized?
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What I meant by my first comment was that it's not like our leadership is going to be overthrown physically. I guess the point your making is that if our values change they're basically overthrown anyways but just not physically.
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The hatred of the current governing systems will propel us toward a new form of governance. Much like how hatred of Europe's governing system propelled us toward 'democracy,' in the 1700's
that is my hope/prediction at least
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Magicman69]
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You don't have to physically mutiny, to mutiny.
If we change the way our government runs and operates, and take away some of their power (which needs to be done)
Then we overthrew them, yeah. It doesn't have to even be a huge change, it could be something small.
Even the tiniest spark of revolution is a revolution nonetheless. And a spark can turn into a raging inferno really damn quick.
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Magicman69]
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I say leave the US out of it. I'm tired of the consant war as we try and play referee with the rest of the world.
I also don't know what the hell gives you the impression we could just so simply wipe them out. We've basically been trying to wipe out the Taliban (or that's the story anyways) for at least the last 14 years, look at what a miraculous job we did with that.
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Shroomslip]
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The Taliban live in caves and are widely spread. They're hard to spot for airstrikes and even harder to fight on foot. ISIS is driving around in our hummers with big flags hanging from them. We know exactly where they are and which cities they are staying in.
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Magicman69]
#21890672 - 07/02/15 11:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Turn the whole fucking middle east into glass. Only solution.
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Magicman69]
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And you think they're stupid enough to just keep to the same MO once we start actively engaging them? They're gonna do what works over there and do the same exact thing.
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Magicman69]
#21890714 - 07/02/15 11:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Magicman69 said: I have a hard time believing that is the reason but I'm not really a conspiracy guy. I'm sure it's a nice side effect but honestly what does the government really gain by mass surveillance? It's not like they're in danger of being overthrown by some revolution.
thats exactly what mass data collection is about. To understand, psychologically profile, and control large masses of people so they can stay in power forever. u think they give a fuck about terrorism?
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Shroomslip]
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Maybe Canada will wipe them out!  The U.S. aren't the only ones not doing jack shit.
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Wait, Canada has an army?
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Magicman69]
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Canada's army is just special forces and snipers and they piggy back where ever the US goes for the most part.
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They have an army of insured potheads, but other than that I couldn't agree more.
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Magicman69]
#21890789 - 07/02/15 11:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Magicman69 said: Let's be honest, ISIS isn't going to just disappear or stop causing havoc unless the civilized world stops them.
I remember back in the day, bush was president and we were about to invade iraq, the sentiment was "why are we getting involved in this shit?"
well, why should we get involved with this shit?
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21890890 - 07/03/15 12:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Everyone asks/complains about how the US is always getting into other country's business.
Then when we do nothing, everyone asks 'wheres the US?'
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Magicman69]
#21890900 - 07/03/15 12:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Magicman69 said: Let's be honest, ISIS isn't going to just disappear or stop causing havoc unless the civilized world stops them. They are going to continue to grow and become stronger.
Yes, soon they will grow so large that only me and you and a few other shroomery cats will not be ISIS members.
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Hippocampus]
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Then when we do nothing, everyone asks 'wheres the US?'
We do? i can't really think of that happening except when it involved shit we fucked up like iraq when we withdrew or w/e a few times or talked about it.
plus its usually news networks that talk about it and its the propaganda that gets people. If ISIS showed up in another country and the news did nothing but report, we'd just think of it as an earthquake, a shark attack, nobody would really give a shit, its the other countrys problem. And when shit happens here, thats our problem, and they should be treated as individual events, random attacks don't need linked to other shit like terrorist groups. just because some person with no life, locked in a room for a year can find a link, doesn't mean there actually is a link, there's just so much data out there that its basically impossible to NOT find a link. Some crazy person did some crazy shit, we locked them up case closed.
If people really cared then the national guard would be doubled, or trippled. But that doesn't fund arms dealers, or send money oversea's to be 'lost'. So its pretty clear to me at least, that the media pushes what makes people rich, and the people who ask where the US is, is really just doing what the TV tells them after getting their vaccines that make them stupid
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They say evil prevails when good men fail to act. What they ought to say is: evil prevails. -Lord of war
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Magicman69]
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Love that movie as well. I read 4 words of that and knew where you were going. Have watched it many times over. Pretty damn good quote as well.
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21891293 - 07/03/15 03:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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rbalzer said: I am quite suspicious that some institution like the FBI/CIA is still running groups like ISIS and al queda. (assuming that either of those groups REALLY exists)
Fear of terrorism has thrust the government into a position of even more power. If I ran the US, I could see staging terrorist action to scare the masses into giving me more power.
Seems like a no brainer actually. Just like how 9/11 was staged for similar reasons.

The very first video they released reeked of american influence. It was in english for one, and for a group that so despises the west thats such a misplaced thing for them to do. Then there was the times new roman font they used, and the shitty edited in flickers and reel burnouts. Along with how america basically armed them to the teeth by unloading billions of dollars of arms and equipment onto the already demoralized and severely undisciplined iraqi forces it was almost an open invitation to any extremist group out there to seize power. ISIS seems like a very convenient scapegoat for protracted warfare. Something that only benefits the military industrial complex.
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The US is waiting for someone with a cock and balls to enter the presidency of the US and a few thousand americans to get beheaded before we do anything.
Consider that the only ones having success against ISIL is the Kurds and some other northern syria/iraq ethnic group, and they have been snubbed by Obama, so several Arab states are thinking of going it alone and arming the Kurds in spite of the US.
The problem is, the Kurds have old Russian Equipment and ISIS has lots of modern US equipment. Now there is plenty of US equipment in the middle east, the US has armed most of the Arab states to the teeth.
ISIS has Modern US military equipment that was never used by the Iraqi army and dropped once.
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: starfire_xes]
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What weapons does ISIS have that are so devastating?
I'm asking in a serious manner, because I'm pretty sure they don't have anything remotely close to what's in the US arsenal. Are they flying predator drones or stealth bombers? Do they have ships loaded to the teeth with advanced munitions? Do they have Abrams tanks?
They may have modern US military equipment, but do they have anything that could really pose a threat? Again I'm asking honestly, because I really don't know. So far I've heard they have Humvees.. With those they have the ability to go off road, mount basically anti-personal weapons and withstand light arms fire.
Not that I'm advocating we get involved in yet another game of cat and mouse.. Just, I don't see what threat they pose to us. As far as I'm concerned, let everyone else deal with their own damn countries.
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Shroomslip]
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I didnt mean they are a threat to us--i meant the kurds have outdated equipment and ISIL has plenty of us equipment abandoned by the Iraq army--including tanks and artillery.
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Magicman69 said: Let's be honest, ISIS isn't going to just disappear or stop causing havoc unless the civilized world stops them.
I remember back in the day, bush was president and we were about to invade iraq, the sentiment was "why are we getting involved in this shit?"
well, why should we get involved with this shit?
Exactly. OP-what the hell do you think Obama is going to do? Send over some troops or something?
Outside of humanitarian aid for the victims, in my opinion there is really nothing the US can do. Any involvement is most likely only going to make the situation worse.
I'm sorry, but people who think the US is capable of "fixing" the middle east are truly delusional. It's like saying "There are all these poor people in Africa and India, when is Obama going to do something?"
The problem is a way, way, way, way, way beyond that point. I mean, the issues in the middle east are just so much bigger than most people in America can possibly imagine.
If you haven't noticed, Afghanistan is still a disaster. Strangely enough, when you invade another country to 'help' them, you often end up making more enemies than friends.
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: starfire_xes]
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Look the fuck around you dude. Yes they are. How many people are happy with the way the government is performing recently? Nobody.
We'll see a revolution in our life times, the only question is will it be peaceful, or will it be violent.
My guess is the latter.
now that would be something, can't wait. may I add that other countries will surely follow
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Its easy to talk about war when its not your kid going to die. Aside from the men and women who did wear the uniform, Americans at large are duplicitous,spineless, degenerate fucking pussies. That's how you lost Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm and GWOT. If you let Army/Marines run the show instead of crybaby talking heads and i guarantee results.
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: starfire_xes]
#21891838 - 07/03/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: The US is waiting for someone with a cock and balls to enter the presidency of the US and a few thousand americans to get beheaded before we do anything.
I think it's more a political move in the fact Obama dooesnt want to be seen directly arming them again like he did when they were merely Syrian rebels
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ISIS has Modern US military equipment that was never used by the Iraqi army and dropped once.
and also arming them this way
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Magicman69]
#21891863 - 07/03/15 09:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think it's about time that people in that part of the world started taking responsibility for their problems instead of us always stepping in and "fixing" things. Over the last decades, every time we've tried to fix things over there, it has only fanned the flames of hatred.
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The Syrian Armed Forces have obliterated thousands of the Takfiri ISIS goons. So have the Kurds.
American boots on the ground are not really needed. What is needed, is for the USA along with Turkey, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Jordan to stop funding, arming and supporting all the Takfiri groups (ISIS included.)
If ISIS lost their foreign support, and stopped getting advanced weapons from the West, they would be toast pretty quickly. ISIS gets pretty much all of its advanced anti-tank weapons (TOW's) from the USA/Turkey.
ISIS was created partially out of a desire to get rid of Assad in Syria, and partially as a useful tool to keep the middle east in a constant state of warfare. Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the USA, Israel, all want to get rid of Assad..
This strategy has failed miserably. The Syrian Armed Forces are some tough mothers. The western backed foreign supported armies of ISIS / Al-Nusra have failed miserably and continue to die in huge numbers. Their ranks are replenished by foreign volunteers (idiots) but eventually cannon fodder will run out.
http://www.syrianperspective.com/2015/07/isis-mangled-in-al-hasaka-al-ghuwayraan-quarter-freed-of-ratsgeneral-al-furayj-flies-in-to-congratulate-our-forces.html
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: nicechrisman]
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nicechrisman said: I think it's about time that people in that part of the world started taking responsibility for their problems instead of us always stepping in and "fixing" things. Over the last decades, every time we've tried to fix things over there, it has only fanned the flames of hatred.
they actually want to take responsibility but america won't LET THEM. Iraq fucking told us to get lost and we refused, said it was part of the deal that we stay or some shit. I mean we didn't have really that many problems till we hung their president. shit seemed pretty peaceful over there considering non of this shit was on the news like it is now, every other weeek there's some shit on iraq or a country close to it.
Back in 2000 the only thing on the news was how we survived the Y2K bug ffs and sean connory did that movie with that hot chick weaving in and our of lazor beams
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: makaveli8x8]
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I agree. I guess that's mostly what I meant was that we should let them solve their problems instead of trying to solve them for them.
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Magicman69 said: Let's be honest, ISIS isn't going to just disappear or stop causing havoc unless the civilized world stops them.
I remember back in the day, bush was president and we were about to invade iraq, the sentiment was "why are we getting involved in this shit?"
well, why should we get involved with this shit?
Actually when Bush was President most of the country was full on in support of us fucking their shit up so I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. That is some strong revisionist history right there.
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: zappaisgod]
#21892237 - 07/03/15 11:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah i suppose thats probably true zappa. I was young at the time, but I did remember seeing an awful lot of anti war protesters.
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Psilosopherr]
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maybe zappa watches alot of news. Most people don't give a shit, so u never hear from them, then you have the rich and media pumping propaganda, then u have the protesters, where exactly were people seeing the "pro war" protesters?
I never seen any holding signs saying go to war? Maybe because even the people who wanted to go to war didn't give enough shits to hold a sign for an hour, maybe because most of the ones who gave a shit were rich and stood to profit off of it. All i seen was propaganda. Military personel im sure alot of them wanted war, and alot didn't because they didn't want to die. Suicides at all time highs, when your military is so affected by what your country has it doing, chances are, you shouldn't be doing it
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#21892576 - 07/03/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The only way the Middle is going to destroy itself is if we stop interfering.
Let them kill each other, they don't need our help to do it, they have proved that for several decades.
Let's stop wasting massive amounts of money and let them fight it out.
If they ever try to attack a country that matters, then we should interfere. Until then, let them kill each other
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Patlal]
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i know i'm gonna get bashed because this is a Cracked article, but its worth reading
http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-1780-we-built-their-death-squads-isiss-bizarre-origin-story.html
it was posted only 2 days ago
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Adolin]
#21892704 - 07/03/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh we definitely had no business opposing Assad. That was stupid. He's an asshole but they are all assholes over there and he was a reasonably secular and responsible asshole. These ISIS morons are far worse and it was entirely predictable if you aren't as stupid as Clinton and Obama.
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: chopstick]
#21892844 - 07/03/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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chopstick said: The Syrian Armed Forces have obliterated thousands of the Takfiri ISIS goons. So have the Kurds.
they should keep up the good work
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21893040 - 07/03/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I keep up with most of the videos and now there's that one faction that is making mock ISIS killing videos. They reverse the roles of Jihad johnny where the executioners are in Orange jump suits and the prisoners in that black robe shit. It's well put together and they seem to be good guys but knowing these fuck heads you can't trust any of them. It's like the cartels struggling for power.
The strategy we are using I think is pretty well defined strategically. If you have a bunch of people we could really care less about killing each other why should we go in and do anything else. Many people don't have any strategic thinking and assume you can just fly in and win a war by old conventional civil war means. It won't work when you basically don't have a defined enemy. Anyone can just claim to be a terrorist in the blink of an eye.
When they try to group together we send in a drone and take out the main guy. If you have ever heard of Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) then you know that President Obama basically took all this executive power into his hands and has a mini drone army. So when someone becomes increasingly more frustrating towards the US we send in a drone to blast them the fuck away.
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21893082 - 07/03/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: The US is waiting for someone with a cock and balls to enter the presidency of the US and a few thousand americans to get beheaded before we do anything.
I think it's more a political move in the fact Obama dooesnt want to be seen directly arming them again like he did when they were merely Syrian rebels
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ISIS has Modern US military equipment that was never used by the Iraqi army and dropped once.
and also arming them this way
Thak you for making the syrian rebel connection, people seem to forget what happened a couples years ago as soon as new shit goes down. It's fucking hilarious too because so many people were crying "arm the syrian rebels help them blaah blah my heart is bleeding bla bla bla"
When will we listen to my advise and just get rid of the entire middle east problem once and for all and just glass the fucking place. all sand there... needs to be turned to glass. Let them go see allah.
Then again we need a reason to make bombs and we need oil and natural gas. Any one that passed highschool should be able to research the last 40 years of CIA international incidents and realize the united states government creating or instigating a problem is nothing new at all. We play chess with the world to manipulate shit in our favor. Nothing new. After Isis it will be something else, we will be in that desert for a long long time.
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Mescalean]
#21893959 - 07/03/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cause if you turn the middle east into glass you can't do that because Israel is there, and US is Israel's bitch
That, plus the whole genocide thing is generally frowned upon.
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Psychonautica] 1
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How many terror groups do we need to create, fund, and arm before you realize this is them doing it?
9/11 fear mongering is over, and the government needs a new way to pass laws to take away our rights.
Creating isis and a big bad scary middle eastern boogieman is a good way to pass more "patriot acts" and take away our rights.
Try telling the average joe this.
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism said: Cause if you turn the middle east into glass you can't do that because Israel is there, and US is Israel's bitch
That, plus the whole genocide thing is generally frowned upon.
Fuck Israel too bad you were at the wrong place at the wrong time. Collateral damages are to be expected.
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r00tuuu123 said:
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Shroomism said: Cause if you turn the middle east into glass you can't do that because Israel is there, and US is Israel's bitch
That, plus the whole genocide thing is generally frowned upon.
Fuck Israel too bad you were at the wrong place at the wrong time. Collateral damages are to be expected.
seriously fuck israel. we should have cut aid to them a while ago
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Mescalean]
#21895091 - 07/03/15 11:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I concur
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Magicman69]
#21895093 - 07/03/15 11:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So what's it going to take for us to finally step in and shut these clowns down? I honestly think it's going to take another attack at home. It's sad that we'd have to wait for something like this to happen before we finally say enough is enough. ISIS is literally trying to commit genocide on the entire world. .
They ride camels and wipe their ass with their hand. How the fuck are they going to attack me? If you want to go to war you should sign up. Not that it's America's fucking business nor did anyone ask for their "help".
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: my3rdeye]
#21895349 - 07/04/15 01:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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we tried
i don't even think air bombing is going to help but i said before I don't think guns are going to help
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Magicman69]
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Magicman69 said: The Taliban live in caves and are widely spread. They're hard to spot for airstrikes and even harder to fight on foot. ISIS is driving around in our hummers with big flags hanging from them. We know exactly where they are and which cities they are staying in.
Right. And we've been bombing them for nine months and they are still around. Apparently it's more difficult than air strikes.
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Magicman69]
#21895560 - 07/04/15 03:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pure and simple I think most american hate war regardless of the cause which in my view is misguided.
I don't think ISIS can take over a world superpower with some of the best defensive weaponry in the world . Still sooooooo fucked what ISIS does, War, history,religion and people is what they love to destroy. Any proper education or tolerance bassically.
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Konyap]
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#21896902 - 07/04/15 02:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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A President that has some balls.
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Psychoslut]
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we're still running air strikes against ISIS. another u.s. led ground campaign, even if it were wise, would be politically disastrous due to the unpopularity of our continued military presence in iraq and afghanistan. and while i sympathize with outrage over the brutality ISIS carries out, ultimately, the problem with ISIS is regional, and there are regional powers that are well within their power to stop them. turkey's behavior up to this point seem to put things into the proper perspective. they really haven't done much, and if ISIS really were an existential threat to turkey they would be crushing them (the turkish army is not to be fucked with, from my understanding). and then there's isreal, iran, the uae and russia.
i think we should continue to drone the fuck out of ISIS, arm the kurds and let them establish what will hopefully be another client state for us, and allow turkey do the rest of the dirty work when they inevitably try to get cute on their border.
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: millzy]
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i think we should drop bibles not bombs
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Shroomism]
#21897223 - 07/04/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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there's a reason I am not given access to nukes
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#21897230 - 07/04/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: i think we should drop bibles not bombs
I think we should drop politicians, not bombs and bibles
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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makaveli8x8 said: i think we should drop bibles not bombs
I think we should drop politicians, not bombs and bibles
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: millzy]
#21897244 - 07/04/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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so why arent I the president yet?
because I dont want to be dropped on the middle east
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Magicman69]
#21897301 - 07/04/15 03:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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We absolutely should NOT GET INVOLVED IN THIS MIDDLE EAST SHITFEST. For fuck sake. If some other country like Canada or Australia wants to intervene, then let them try. There is absolutely no reason at all why we should get involved.
Getting involved is just stupid, and there is absolutely no reason why the US of all people should do it.
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: nooneman]
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So by neglect you sanction mass murder. That is what the Vatican is being excoriated for doing in WW2. :shakes head: You can't please everybody. I'd fucking kill them but that's just me because I'm not an idiot. If evil is not opposed it prevails. ISIS is evil.
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: zappaisgod]
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on the other hand everyone could step out of there way, let them destroy whatever it is they are destroying over there, and the sooner its over the better, and then once they are in charge there will be order and not violence
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: makaveli8x8]
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: zappaisgod]
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lol they're not "taking over" anything. their hold on their territories is tenuous at best - ISIS can't handle plumbing and the mail. they're not really a "state" in any real sense. if they aren't eventually destroyed by a regional coalition, they'll be defeated by uprisings. and with their increasing levels of brutality, that seems like more of a possibility than ever. i mean, if you and your family are going to be butchered anyway, you might as well go down fighting.
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: millzy]
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: zappaisgod]
#21897634 - 07/04/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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jus let em kill each other and stop making millions of weapons
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Re: ISIS: What are we waiting for? [Re: Konyap]
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ISIS Created By Israel
ISIS was created to fight Hezbollah.....Anyone guess just who those allies who created ISIS are then......Israel and the Jewish proxy of the Saudi's who themselves are crypto Jews. Working the Muslim front. Washington is also under the grip of Israel as well. As one Israeli politician stated: Jews out of America run the world. This is part of the Jewish plan of Greater Israel, create Islamist proxy forces to topple the Arab nation states for Israel.
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A retired US general has acknowledged that Washington’s allies created the ISIL terrorist group to confront the Lebanese resistance movement Hezbollah.
Retired general Wesley Clark, who was the Supreme Allied Commander Europe of NATO from 1997 to 2000, made the revelation in a recent interview with the CNN.
“ISIS got started through funding from our friends and allies,” Clark admitted on Tuesday, using another acronym for ISIL.
The only group that will fight Hezbollah is ISIL because they are “zealots” and resemble a “Frankenstein,” he said.
General Clark did not specify exactly which US allies were involved the creation of the ISIL. But he said the terrorist group is part of a strategy to destroy Hezbollah with an army of extremists.
Clark is known for his critical comments regarding Washington’s war plans.
In a book published in 2003, he said the US is pursuing a campaign of wars that already started in Iraq and later include Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and finally Iran.
The ISIL terrorists, many of whom were initially trained by the CIA in Jordan in 2012 to destabilize the Syrian government, have seized large parts of territory in Syria and around one-third of the territory of Iraq. They are engaged in crimes against humanity in the areas under their control.
They have been carrying out horrific acts of violence such as public decapitations and crucifixions against all communities, including Shias, Sunnis, Kurds, and Christians.
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"ISIS" and related terrorist groups run by jews- proof.
https://exposingthelieofislam.wordpress.com/isis-and-related-terroroist-groups-created-and-run-by-jews/
Islamic State did largely come out of the Syria conflict and its this conflict that allowed them to rise to where they are now. The majority of the rebel groups fighting in Syria are proxies of Washington, Israel and the Saudi's the trinity of Jewish power. The rebels are mainly foreign fighters and are trained in Jordan and moved across the boarder. Israel has been aiding the rebel proxy forces giving the camps, hospitals in the Golan Heights and arming them. As well as air strikes against Syria forces with their air force. Back in spring of 13 Israel used a small grade, tactical jewculur weapon on Damascus. As part of this effort.
The jooz neocohen's or neocon's. Set a purposeful policy for Iraq that did everything possible to create a corrupt, backwards and weak new Iraq and push it into destabilized state. The polices had people pull their hair out in be wonderment. It was not incompetence it was purposeful. The plan for Iraq was its permanent dissolution as a Nation from the start. The Jews didn't put all that effort into getting two wars against Iraq to rebuild it into a powerful nation that could turn on them. Of course they played a lot of trash talk about liberating Iraq and restricting and rebuilding it. Its all nonsense. Part of this was to put a Shia dominate, corrupt government into power that repressed the Sunni's ever further. This was crucial to the current situation and Islamic State rise to power. This is also a Sunni liberation movement now.
The national lines of Syria and Iraq are also artificial they where created by the British after taking the region from the Ottomans. They never cared to factor in tribal and ethnic regions. Iraq was always Sunni, Shia and Kurds and they never liked each other. So put in a decade of major destabilization, ethnic hostilities and meddling by the Jew controlled Western powers such as proxy wars in Syria and Libya. Its only a matter of time before something like Islamic State happened.
Islamic State is taking on the major organized enemies of Israel in the Middle East. The Shia population. Assad is Shia so is his allies the Party of God in Lebanon that has defeated Israel twice and so is Tehran. Islamic State's mission is to wipe out the entire Shia world. The Jews also want Baathism gone. Its the one ideology that was the realization for creating modern united Arab Nation States that are in the way of Israel. Syria is the last Baathist state left. Libya was also a modernized, progressive state. I read the Green Book of Gaddafi it was a well done book that outlined the social, economic and political paradigm of Libya. I wrote an article in the past on Libya and why the Jews destroyed it. Gaddafi was a good man and moral leader who risked his life to raise his people out of a literal darkage into a new society that was near utopian. He didn't deserve to die the way he did. Thousands of his people died fighting for this Libya against the Jewish proxies who have destroyed the country and put it into barbarianism. Which is the plan for Syria.
Islamic State also seems to benefit Israel by destroying Iraq and dividing it into a state where Sunni's, Kurds and Shia will be in constant war. Baghdad was getting too close to Tehran anyway. Its my opinion Islamic State was as stated to be in the last phases of becoming a standing Army and creating a State that will stand. This will put the Middle East into decades of nonstop war within the Islamic world. Of course the Jews might want to help this out by funding and arms. It brings about what they wanted. Islamic State also gives them a propaganda without end and a excuse for further Western military intervention which is the new rhetoric coming out of Washington. Also think false flags like 911. They could pull another one and them blame Islamic State at anytime they want.
So if Islamic State is not created by Israel it benefits Israel's agenda.
But it might be the bringing of the end. Its my musing that the situation in Iraq has pushed Baghdad into the arms of Tehran as they need their fellow Shia nation to defend south Iraq which is Shia from Islamic State. Tehran has already sent troops. If Islamic State gets powerful enough and Assad's Syria is going down and this will result in massive ethnic cleansing of Shia and other non Sunni populations. And leave the Party of God alone between a radical Sunni Caliphate and the Sunni radical's in Lebanon. Which is only a matter of time for them. And this would leave Tehran isolated and tip the balance of power they seem to need to kept Israel thus Western aggression in check against them. Which means Tehran would be finished. By a collection of the economic sanctions on them and constant warfare with Islamic State which would by this point by a large standing Army of fanatics with never ending Jihad on their mind. Who have sworn to conqueror Iran as well. Think of how bloody the Iraq-Iran war was. That war was Judeo West using Iraq as a proxy against Iran. What would another round with Islamic State be like. The previous war is still strong in the popular consciousness of Iranians. It was devastating.
Perhaps looking at the possible end and near extinction event of the Shia world. Maybe Damascus, Tehran and the Party of God might just decide to unleash everything they have on Saudi Arabia and Israel the two major bases of the war against them in the Middle East. I believe the situation in the Middle East might have finally gone into point of no return. If this happens Israel will use its Sampson option as well maybe not just at Middle Eastern targets but as their leaders brag European targets as well. The Jews are already abandoning Europe on mass. Their already criminally insane leadership might view the end of Israel as the final end and decided to scorched earth policy on the hated Goyim in general.
The big factor is the Abrahamic world all believe there has to be global war in this region to bring about the end of the world and the return of their god. The power of the collective unconscious of hundreds of millions of people the psychic energy of centuries poured into this and the amount of people tried into this program in the highest levels of control and international power might bring this into reality.
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The joo is in the mix where McInsane goes Israeli dollars and interests flows.
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John McCain, Conductor of the "Arab Spring" and the Caliph
by Thierry Meyssan
Everyone has noticed the contradiction of those who recently characterized the Islamic Emirate as "freedom fighters" in Syria and who are indignant today faced with its abuses in Iraq. But if that speech is incoherent in itself, it makes perfect sense in the strategic plan: the same individuals were to be presented as allies yesterday and must be as enemies today, even if they are still on orders from Washington. Thierry Meyssan reveals below US policy through the particular case of Senator John McCain, conductor of the "Arab Spring" and longtime partner of Caliph Ibrahim.
Voltaire Network | Damascus (Syria) | 18 August 2014 italiano Português Türkçe Deutsch فارسى Español français polski русский ελληνικά

JPEG - 21.9 kbAre Barack Obama and John McCain political opponents as they claim, or are they working together on the imperialist strategy of their country? John McCain is known as the leader of the Republicans and unhappy 2008 US presidential candidate. This is, we will see, only the real part of his biography, which serves as a cover to conduct covert actions on behalf of his government.
When I was in Libya during the "Western"attack, I was able to view a report of the foreign intelligence services. It stated that, on February 4, 2011 in Cairo, NATO organized a meeting to launch the "Arab Spring" in Libya and Syria. According to this document, the meeting was chaired by John McCain. The report detailed the list of Libyan participants, whose delegation was led by the No. 2 man of the government of the day, Mahmoud Jibril, who abruptly switched sides at the entrance of the meeting to become the opposition leader in exile. I remember that, among the French delegates present, the report quoted Bernard-Henry Lévy, although officially he had never exercised functions within the French government. Many other personalities attended the symposium, including a large delegation of Syrians living abroad.
Emerging from the meeting, the mysterious Syrian Revolution 2011 Facebook account called for demonstrations outside the People’s Council (National Assembly) in Damascus on February 11. Although this Facebook account at the time claimed to have more than 40,000 followers, only a dozen people responded to its call before the flashes of photographers and hundreds of police. The demonstration dispersed peacefully and clashes only began more than a month later in Deraa. [1]
On February 16, 2011, a demonstration underway in Benghazi, in memory of members of the Islamic Fighting Group in Libya [2] massacred in 1996 in the Abu Selim prison, degenerated into shooting. The next day, a second event, this time in memory of those who died by attacking the Danish consulate during the Muhammad cartoons affair, also degenerated into shooting. At the same time, members of the Islamic Fighting Group in Libya ,coming from Egypt and coordinated by unidentified, hooded individuals, simultaneously attacked four military bases in four different cities. After three days of fighting and atrocities, the rebels launched the uprising of Cyrenaica against Tripolitania [3]; a terrorist attack that the western press falsely presented as a "democratic revolution" against "the regime" of Muammar el-Qaddafi.
On February 22nd, John McCain was in Lebanon. He met members of the Future Movement (the party of Saad Hariri) whom he charged to oversee the transfer of arms to Syria around the MP Okab Sakr [4]. Then, leaving Beirut, he inspected the Syrian border and the selected villages including Ersal, which were used as a basis to back mercenaries in the war to come.
The meetings chaired by John McCain were clearly the trigger point for a long-prepared Washington plan; the plan that would have the UK and France attack Libya and Syria simultaneously, following the doctrine of "leadership from behind" and the annex of the Treaty of Lancaster House of November 2010. [5]
The Illegal Trip to Syria, April 2013
In May 2013, Senator John McCain made his way illegally to near Idleb in Syria via Turkey to meet with leaders of the "armed opposition". His trip was not made public until his return to Washington. [6]
This movement was organized by the Syrian Emergency Task Force, which, contrary to its title, is a Zionist Organization led by a Palestinian employee of AIPAC [7]

JPEG - 26.1 kbJohn McCain in Syria. In the foreground at right is the director of the Syrian Emergency Task Force. In the doorway, center, Mohammad Nour. In photographs released at that time, one noticed the presence of Mohammad Nour, a spokesman for the Northern Storm Brigade (of the Al-Nosra Front, that is to say, al-Qaeda in Syria), who kidnapped and held 11 Lebanese Shiite pilgrims in Azaz. [8] Asked about his proximity to al-Qaeda kidnappers, the Senator claimed not to know Mohammad Nour who would have invited himself into this photo.
The affair made a great noise and the families of the abducted pilgrims lodged a complaint before the Lebanese judiciary against Senator McCain for complicity in kidnapping. Ultimately, an agreement was reached and the pilgrims were released.
Let’s suppose that Senator McCain had told the truth and that he was abused by Mohammad Nour. The object of his illegal trip to Syria was to meet the chiefs of staff of the Free Syrian Army. According to him, the organization was composed "exclusively of Syrians" fighting for "their freedom" against the "Alouite dictatorship” (sic). The tour organizers published this photograph to attest to the meeting.

JPEG - 26.5 kbJohn McCain and the heads of the Free Syrian Army. In the left foreground, Ibrahim al-Badri, with which the Senator is talking. Next, Brigadier General Salim Idris (with glasses). If we can see Brigadier General Idriss Salem, head of the Free Syrian Army, one can also see Ibrahim al-Badri (foreground on the left) with whom the senator is talking. Back from the surprise trip, John McCain claimed that all those responsible for the Free Syrian Army were "moderates who can be trusted" (sic). Image However, since October 4, 2011, Ibrahim al-Badri (also known as Abu Du’a) was on the list of the five terrorists most wanted by the United States (Rewards for Justice). A premium of up to $ 10 million was offered to anyone who would assist in his capture. [9] The next day, October 5, 2011, Ibrahim al-Badri was included in the list of the Sanctions Committee of the UN as a member of Al Qaeda. [10]
In addition, a month before receiving Senator McCain, Ibrahim al-Badri, known under his nom de guerre as Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, created the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ÉIIL) – all the while still belonging to the staff of the very "moderate" Free Syrian Army. He claimed as his own the attack on the Taj and Abu Ghraib prisons in Iraq, from which he helped between 500 and 1,000 jihadists escape who then joined his organization. This attack was coordinated with other almost simultaneous operations in eight other countries. Each time, the escapees joined the jihadist organizations fighting in Syria. This case is so strange that Interpol issued a note and requested the assistance of the 190 member countries. [11]
For my part, I have always said that there was no difference on the ground between the Free Syrian Army, Al-Nosra Front, the Islamic Emirate etc ... All these organizations are composed of the same individuals who continuously change flag. When they pose as the Free Syrian Army, they fly the flag of French colonization and speak only of overthrowing the "dog Bashar." When they say they belong to Al-Nosra Front, they carry the flag of al Qaeda and declare their intention to spread Islam in the world. Finally when they say they are the Islamic Emirate, they brandish the flag of the Caliphate and announce that they will clean the area of all infidels. But whatever the label, they proceed to the same abuses: rape, torture, beheadings, crucifixions.
Yet neither Senator McCain nor his companions of the Syrian Emergency Task Force provided the information in their possession on Ibrahim al-Badri to the State Department, nor have they asked for the reward. Nor have they informed the anti-terrorism Committee of the UN.
In no country in the world, regardless of their political system, would one accept that the opposition leader be in direct contact, and publicly friendly, with a very dangerous wanted terrorist.
Who Then is Senator McCain?
But John McCain is not just the leader of the political opposition to President Obama, he is also one of his senior officials!
He is in fact President of the International Republican Institute (IRI), the republican branch of NED / CIA [12], since January 1993. This so-called "NGO" was officially established by President Ronald Reagan to extend certain activities of the CIA, in connection with the British, Canadian and Australian secret services. Contrary to its claims, it is indeed an inter-governmental agency. Its budget is approved by Congress in a budget line dependent of the Secretary of State.
It is also because it is a joint agency of the Anglo-Saxon secret services that several states in the world prohibit it from any activity on their territory.

JPEG - 21.8 kbAccused of plotting the overthrow of President Hosni Mubarak for the Muslim Brotherhood, the two employees of the International Republican Institute (IRI) in Cairo, John Tomlaszewski (second right) and Sam LaHood (son of US-Lebanese, Ray LaHood, a democratic government Transportation Secretary) (second left) took refuge at the embassy of the United States. Here they are along with Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham at the preparatory meeting of the "Arab Spring" in Libya and Syria. They would be released by Brother Mohamed Morsi when he became President. The list of interventions by John McCain on behalf of the State Department is impressive. He participated in all the color revolutions of the last twenty years.
To take only a few examples, ever in the name of "democracy", he prepared the failed coup against constitutional president Hugo Chávez in Venezuela, [13] the overthrow of constitutionally elected president Jean-Bertrand Aristide in Haiti [14], the attempt to overthrow the constitutional President Mwai Kibaki in Kenya [15] and, more recently, the ousting of the constitutional president of Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych.
In any state in the world, when a citizen takes initiative to topple the regime of another State, he may be appreciated if successful and the new regime proves an ally, but he will be severely condemned when his initiatives have negative consequences for his own country. Now, Senator McCain never was harassed because of his anti-democratic actions in states where it has failed and who have turned against Washington. In Venezuela, for example. That is because, for the United States, John McCain is not a traitor, but an agent.
And an agent that has the best coverage imaginable: he is the official opponent of Barack Obama. As such, he can travel anywhere in the world (he is the most traveled US senator) and meet whoever he wants without fear. If his interlocutors approve Washington policy, he promised them to continue it, if they fight it, he hands over the responsibility to President Obama.
John McCain is known to have been a prisoner of war in Vietnam for five years, where he was tortured. He was involved in a program designed not to extract information but to instill speech. This was to transform his personality in order that he make statements against his own country. This program, studied based on the Korean experience for the Rand Corporation by Professor Albert D. Biderman, served as the basis for research at Guantánamo and elsewhere by Dr. Martin Seligman [16]. Applied under George W. Bush to more than 80,000 prisoners, it has transformed many of them into real fighters serving Washington. John McCain, who had cracked in Vietnam, therefore understands. He knows how to unscrupulously manipulate jihadists.
What is the US strategy with the jihadists in the Levant?
In 1990, the United States decided to destroy its former Iraqi ally. Having suggested to President Saddam Hussein that they would consider the attack of Kuwait as an Iraqi internal affair, they used this attack as an excuse to mobilize a broad coalition against Iraq. However, because of the opposition of the USSR, they did not overthrow the regime, but were content to administer a no-fly zone.
In 2003, France’s opposition was not enough to offset the influence of the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq. The United States attacked the country again and this time overthrew President Hussein. Of course, John McCain was a major contributor to the Committee. After handing to a private company the care of plundering the country for a year [17], they tried to partition Iraq into three separate states, but had to give it up due to the resistance of the population. They tried again in 2007, around the Biden-Brownback resolution, but again failed. [18] Hence the current strategy that attempts to achieve this by means of a non-state actor: the Islamic Emirate. Image
The operation was planned well in advance, even before the meeting between John McCain and Ibrahim al-Badri. For example, internal correspondence from the Qatari Ministry of Foreign Affairs, published by my friends James and Joanne Moriarty [19], shows that 5,000 jihadis were trained at the expense of Qatar in NATO’s Libya in 2012, and 2,5 million dollars was paid at the same time to the future Caliph.
In January of 2014, the Congress of the United States held a secret meeting at which it voted, in violation of international law, to approve funding for the Al-Nosra Front (Al-Qaeda) and the Islamic emirate in Iraq and the Levant until September 2014. [20] Although it is unclear precisely what was really agreed to during this meeting revealed by the British Reuters news agency [21], and no media US media dared bypass censorship, it is highly probable that the law includes a section on arming and training jihadists.
Proud of this US funding, Saudi Arabia has claimed on its public television channel, Al-Arabiya, that the Islamic Emirate was headed by Prince Abdul Rahman al-Faisal, brother of Prince Saud al Faisal (Foreign Minister) and Prince Turki al-Faisal (Saudi ambassador to the United States and the United Kingdom) [22].
The Islamic Emirate represents a new step in the world of mercenaries. Unlike jihadi groups who fought in Afghanistan, Bosnia-Herzegovina and Chechnya around Osama bin Laden, it does not constitute a residual force but actually an army in itself. Unlike previous groups in Iraq, Libya and Syria, around Prince Bandar bin Sultan, they have sophisticated communication services at their disposal for recruitment and civilian officials trained in large western schools capable of instantly taking over the administration of a territory.
Brand new Ukrainian weapons were purchased by Saudi Arabia and conveyed by the Turkish secret services who gave them to the Islamic Emirate. Final details were coordinated with the Barzani family at a meeting of jihadist groups in Amman on 1 June 2014. [23] The joint attack on Iraq by the Islamic Emirate and the Kurdistan Regional Government began four days later. The Islamic Emirate seized the Sunni part of the country, while the Kurdistan Regional Government increased its territory by over 40%. Fleeing the atrocities of jihadists, religious minorities left the Sunni area, paving the way for the three-way partition of the country.
Violating the Iraqi-US Defense agreement, the Pentagon did not intervene and allowed the Islamic Emirate to continue its conquest and massacres. A month later, while the Kurdish Peshmerga Regional Government had retreated without a fight, and when the emotions of world public opinion became too strong, President Obama gave the order to bomb some positions of the Islamic Emirate. However, according to General William Mayville, director of operations at the headquarters, "These bombings are unlikely to affect the overall capacity of the Islamic Emirate and its activities in other areas of Iraq or Syria ". [24] Obviously, they are not meant to destroy the jihadist army, but only to ensure that each player does not overlap the territory that has been assigned. Moreover, for the moment, they are symbolic and have destroyed only a handful of vehicles. It was ultimately the intervention of the Kurds of the Turkish and Syrian Kurdish PKK which halted the progress of the Islamic Emirate and opened a corridor to allow civilians to escape the massacre.
Much disinformation is circulating about the Islamic Emirate and its caliph. The Gulf Daily News newspaper claimed that Edward Snowden had made revelations about it. [25] However, after verification, the former US spy published nothing about it. Gulf Daily News is published in Bahrain, a state occupied by Saudi troops. The article aims to clear only Saudi Arabia and Prince Abdul Rahman al-Faisal of their responsibilities.
The Islamic Emirate is comparable to the mercenary armies of the European sixteenth century. They were conducting religious wars on behalf of the lords who paid them, sometimes in one camp, sometimes in another. Caliph Ibrahim is a modern condottiere. Although he is under the orders of Prince Abdul Rahman (Member of Sudeiris clan), it would not be surprising if he continued his epic in Saudi Arabia (after a brief detour in Lebanon or Kuwait) and determine the Royal succession favoring the Sudeiris clan over Prince Mithab (son, not brother of King Abdullah).
John McCain and the Caliph

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