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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Shins]
    #21929748 - 07/11/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

oh come on, you know what i mean when i say Democracy in regards to america. Of course I don't mean pure democracy, but the democratic republic.
We do not have nation wide referendums on anything, so I don't even see how that would be an issue. The constitution was/is not what is keeping the majority from ruling, it is the bicameral legislation. When the half a million people in Wyoming can tell the 38 million people in california to go fuck themselves, it isn't because of the constitution really.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21929752 - 07/11/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You said global waming not climate change you dirty liar!

oh gee look, another liberal with no integrity, I'm so suprised.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Shins]
    #21929758 - 07/11/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Jesus christ man you know the terms are practically interchangeable.  Really just fuck off.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21929779 - 07/11/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Jesus christ man you know the terms are practically interchangeable.  Really just fuck off.





To gulliable idiots who have no integrity and don't care about scientificaccuracy it doesn't make a difference.

It shows that you are not informed at all and simply just parrot what other people say.  Global.warming is a buzzword so you just parrot it like a good brainledd lemmimg lib.

Seriously, why do libs insist on pushing calse narratives that they make up based off of compulsive emotionalism?  How idiotic and dangerous.


how are liberals going to adress global.cooling?


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Shins]
    #21929822 - 07/11/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I wish it would cool down some.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Enlil]
    #21929837 - 07/11/15 05:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The study demonstrated that heroin based treatment programs were beneficial to not only the user, but society on the whole, quite clearly. However, as I have stated, I don't find there to be any equivalency here.




Can you quote the part that says that they were beneficial to society as a whole?




Although this is not the cornerstone of any argument I have made, I suppose I will oblige you.

From the study:

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The trials showed superior retention for MMT (87% MMT vs. 68% coprescribed injectable heroin; 85% oral MMT vs. 72% coprescribed inhalable heroin), yet demonstrated superior therapeutic benefits in the intent-to-treat analysis for both experimental arms (56 vs. 31% and 50 vs. 27%) compared to MMT on the basis of a multidomain response index, consisting of physical health, mental health, and social functioning (including criminal activity) measures.




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The study also included a small (N = 51) RCT in one site (Geneva) comparing HAT to other (mainly MMT) therapies, which found substantial improvements for illicit heroin use, health status, and crime among HAT patients.




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In addition, a cost–benefit analysis found that HAT produced a net savings balance (€5,966) per patient per year, whereas the costs of MMT remained greater than its calculated savings (minus €2,069) because of its inability to substantially reduce crime and criminal justice system costs.




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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Shins]
    #21932370 - 07/12/15 07:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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paperbackwriter said:
Jesus christ man you know the terms are practically interchangeable.  Really just fuck off.





To gulliable idiots who have no integrity and don't care about scientificaccuracy it doesn't make a difference.

It shows that you are not informed at all and simply just parrot what other people say.  Global.warming is a buzzword so you just parrot it like a good brainledd lemmimg lib.

Seriously, why do libs insist on pushing calse narratives that they make up based off of compulsive emotionalism?  How idiotic and dangerous.


how are liberals going to adress global.cooling?




I'll tell you what.  I use global warming with people that aren't in denial.  I switch to climate change so I don't have to try to explain to a denialist that it's an upward trend.

You can put your head in the sand if you want.  That's your business.  What I take issue with is that the thread was having fairly chill vibes and polite conversation, especially for a political forum.  You were having a bad day, month, year, whatever and decided to come in and shit all over everyone.  So I left you a fat 0 for being an asshole.

You can disagree without being such an asshole.  As evidenced by everyone in this thread not agreeing but still being chill to each other.  So really grow up.  If you want to disagree with what the majority of the world has come to believe is true show some fucking evidence.  I'll be happy to debate it with you.  If you just want to name call and fling poo at the 'other side' kindly fuck off.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21932461 - 07/12/15 08:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Shins isn't very eloquent and has a hard time getting putting his thoughts into word form so he often gets frustrated.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21933316 - 07/12/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Shins said:
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paperbackwriter said:
Jesus christ man you know the terms are practically interchangeable.  Really just fuck off.





To gulliable idiots who have no integrity and don't care about scientificaccuracy it doesn't make a difference.

It shows that you are not informed at all and simply just parrot what other people say.  Global.warming is a buzzword so you just parrot it like a good brainledd lemmimg lib.

Seriously, why do libs insist on pushing calse narratives that they make up based off of compulsive emotionalism?  How idiotic and dangerous.


how are liberals going to adress global.cooling?




I'll tell you what.  I use global warming with people that aren't in denial.  I switch to climate change so I don't have to try to explain to a denialist that it's an upward trend.

You can put your head in the sand if you want.  That's your business.  What I take issue with is that the thread was having fairly chill vibes and polite conversation, especially for a political forum.  You were having a bad day, month, year, whatever and decided to come in and shit all over everyone.  So I left you a fat 0 for being an asshole.

You can disagree without being such an asshole.  As evidenced by everyone in this thread not agreeing but still being chill to each other.  So really grow up.  If you want to disagree with what the majority of the world has come to believe is true show some fucking evidence.  I'll be happy to debate it with you.  If you just want to name call and fling poo at the 'other side' kindly fuck off.





The data shows global cooling for the past 17+ years.  People still think global warming exists because they are gulliable idiots who parrot what other people say.  Even climate scientists no longer use the term "global warming" and  ow say "climate change"  because global warming has been debunked.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Shins]
    #21933334 - 07/12/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So they changed the term to better reflect the science?

Sounds evil.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21933371 - 07/12/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I ask again, hiw are liberals going to address global cooling?  we could be entering another ice age!  ALARM ALARM!

did you know that during the roman times, the globe was much warmer than it is today?  Its true.

"climate change is also a redundant term because the climate has always, and will always experience changes.

are humans effecting climate? Most likely, is there global warming? the data does not support that.


if you weren't a faith-based religous environmentalist you could look at the data and agree, but since environmentalism is like a religion to you, you will deny the facts that disprove your faith and personal identity.  You obviously have a lot of personal investment in global warming and are experiencing cognitive dissonance when faced with data that is contrarty to your close held beliefs.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21933378 - 07/12/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So they changed the term to better reflect the science?

Sounds evil.





Not evil at all.  All the people still thinking global warming exists just need to get with the times.  It shows that they are uninformed when they say "global warming"


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Shins]
    #21933696 - 07/12/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The data shows global cooling for the past 17+ years.




Not if you look at the most recently published data.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/no-pause-in-global-warming/

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"There is no slowdown in global warming,” Russell Vose, the head of the climate science division at the National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI), said. “Or stated differently, the trend over the past decade and half is in line with the trend since 1950.”




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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Shins]
    #21933725 - 07/12/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
So they changed the term to better reflect the science?

Sounds evil.





Not evil at all.  All the people still thinking global warming exists just need to get with the times.  It shows that they are uninformed when they say "global warming"




As uninformed as someone who calls the Willis Tower the Sears Tower.

Again, the term changed. Not the science.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21933796 - 07/12/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The term changed to reflect the change in data.  It is no longer called "global warming" because the data started to show thst the globe is no longer warming. 

We can discuss climate change,  there's not much doubt that humans are affecting the climate, but please just let global warming go LET IT GO!  I know your personas are invested heavily and all, its super trendy to be an envoronmentalist, but you need to keep it real.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Shins]
    #21933967 - 07/12/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The term changed to reflect the change in data.  It is no longer called "global warming" because the data started to show thst the globe is no longer warming. 

We can discuss climate change,  there's not much doubt that humans are affecting the climate, but please just let global warming go LET IT GO!  I know your personas are invested heavily and all, its super trendy to be an envoronmentalist, but you need to keep it real.




I don't use the term so I have let it go, can you?

The earth is still warming. Has been. Will continue to do so if we keep applying the same factors.

Seems to me you completely acknowledge man-made climate change, so now to be the cool contrarian you just rail against a term nobody even uses anymore. Ok, knock yourself out.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Shins]
    #21934035 - 07/12/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Shins said:
The term changed to reflect the change in data.  It is no longer called "global warming" because the data started to show thst the globe is no longer warming. 

We can discuss climate change,  there's not much doubt that humans are affecting the climate, but please just let global warming go LET IT GO!  I know your personas are invested heavily and all, its super trendy to be an envoronmentalist, but you need to keep it real.




What's wrong with being an environmentalist?


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21934738 - 07/12/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

being an environmentalist is fine, but todays "environmentalists" are no better than vegans that wear suede shoes. If all you do is rail against big companies while never once looking at your own ecological impact then shut the fuck up about it.
I truly do applaud those people who take real measures to decrease their impact, but they are quite rare... and I don't just mean, "i bought a hybrid" people, or i brought my canvas bags to the store in my yukon... real salt of the earth granola hippies... not a trustafarian with a compost pile.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #21935290 - 07/12/15 09:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, I agree, I don't like hypocrites. My gf's sister rides her bike or runs everywhere she goes. She's a vegetarian too, and grows her own food. I personally don't have it in me to live like that, and my lungs have taken too much abuse over the years to do so if I tried!


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21935739 - 07/13/15 12:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Your girlfriends sister made two changes that almost anyone can make to have a real impact on the environment: don't drive a car and don't eat meat. Those two relatively simple things can be huge for the environment. If more people did just those two things, we'd see some real differences.


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