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Shins
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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: The Ecstatic]
#21924791 - 07/10/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shins said: Vote for bernie sanders so we can end up like Greece.
Who are you voting for?
I would vote Rand.
I would say so we could turn into _________, but not even the most backward nations employ libertarian economics.
Turn into what? A more free and prosperous nation?
Maybe if those backwatds nations practiced a little more austrian economics they might not be so backwards.
currently the liberal keynsian economic system is a dismal failure. Even keynes himself said that his own system doesn't work and justified it by saying "in the long run were all dead"
but in fact its his economic theory which is dead in the long run, but socialists are completely blind to the long term anyways, they're all about instant gratification.
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paperbackwriter
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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: The Ecstatic]
#21924842 - 07/10/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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How does libertarian economics address global warming and other environmental concerns?
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The Ecstatic said: Of course, but do the Kochs dump money into Walker AND Rubio? Rubio seems to make the most sense.
I do see your point. Honestly this conversation started off a tongue in cheek response I was giving Stonehenge to his vote third party post. I never meant for it to be taken this seriously.
I live in WI. People here love him. I think he's a lying puppet piece of shit. The thought of him being our next president scares the fuck out of me. I use humour to cope.
-------------------- Why should we strive with cynic frown To knock their fairy castles down? ~ Eliza Cook It's rather embarrassing to have given one's entire life to pondering the human predicament and to find that in the end one has little more to say than, 'Try to be a little kinder.' ~Aldous Huxley
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Stonehenge
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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: paperbackwriter]
#21924847 - 07/10/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Rubio is a fanatic asshole much like graham or McCain. We need someone like that like we need ww3. I would gladly settle for Bernie over such creeps. Rand for the win!
-------------------- “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.” (attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville political philosopher Circa 1835) Trade list http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18047755
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paperbackwriter
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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Stonehenge]
#21924894 - 07/10/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Rand is as anti-EPA as his dad. I love his drug policies but I love drinking water and fresh air quite a bit more.
-------------------- Why should we strive with cynic frown To knock their fairy castles down? ~ Eliza Cook It's rather embarrassing to have given one's entire life to pondering the human predicament and to find that in the end one has little more to say than, 'Try to be a little kinder.' ~Aldous Huxley
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Stonehenge
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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: paperbackwriter]
#21924920 - 07/10/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Rand isn't going to let them pollute the water. He would be 100 times as good as obumble.
-------------------- “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.” (attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville political philosopher Circa 1835) Trade list http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18047755
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SneezingPenis
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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: paperbackwriter]
#21924974 - 07/10/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: Rand is as anti-EPA as his dad. I love his drug policies but I love drinking water and fresh air quite a bit more.
See, this is why people don't understand Libertarianism. Rand could be against the FDA, would you say that he doesn't like food and drugs? Being anti-EPA doesn't mean one is against environmental policies, it just means that he is against a federal entity that is easily corruptible, handing down blanket edicts that affect states differently.
Kentucky has built a large portion of its economy around coal and when the EPA becomes nothing more than a black PR firm trying to create an unfavorable public opinion of coal, it makes you wonder why your tax dollars are going towards something that is damaging your state... its like if PETA were a federal government institution. Plus the EPA just gives wrist slaps to these giant corporations and in effect is like the catholic church selling indulgences.
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paperbackwriter
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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: SneezingPenis]
#21925000 - 07/10/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You're right, I don't understand Libertarianism. I asked earlier how it handles environmental issues when you first mentioned libertarian economics.
Clean air and water is a major concern of mine. I do love some Libertarian policies. I'm honestly interested in hearing how it addresses clean air and water.
-------------------- Why should we strive with cynic frown To knock their fairy castles down? ~ Eliza Cook It's rather embarrassing to have given one's entire life to pondering the human predicament and to find that in the end one has little more to say than, 'Try to be a little kinder.' ~Aldous Huxley
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Bigbadwooof
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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Shins]
#21925261 - 07/10/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shins said: Turn into what? A more free and prosperous nation?
Maybe if those backwatds nations practiced a little more austrian economics they might not be so backwards.
currently the liberal keynsian economic system is a dismal failure. Even keynes himself said that his own system doesn't work and justified it by saying "in the long run were all dead"
but in fact its his economic theory which is dead in the long run, but socialists are completely blind to the long term anyways, they're all about instant gratification.
Even the Libertarian hero Adam Smith advocated regulation on behalf of labor. You people have gone beyond the scope of reasonable discussion.
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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: paperbackwriter]
#21925270 - 07/10/15 04:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: You're right, I don't understand Libertarianism. I asked earlier how it handles environmental issues when you first mentioned libertarian economics.
Clean air and water is a major concern of mine. I do love some Libertarian policies. I'm honestly interested in hearing how it addresses clean air and water.
Libertarians say that the market will dictate whether clean air and water are valuable enough for people to vote on their behalf with their dollars. We all know that's not the way of things.
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Stonehenge
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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21925302 - 07/10/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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>Libertarians say that the market will dictate whether clean air and water are valuable enough for people to vote on their behalf with their dollars. We all know that's not the way of things.
First of all, not all libertarians say that. Secondly, people can vote all they want now days but the big money still calls the shots.
-------------------- “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.” (attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville political philosopher Circa 1835) Trade list http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18047755
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Bigbadwooof
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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Stonehenge]
#21925377 - 07/10/15 04:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: >Libertarians say that the market will dictate whether clean air and water are valuable enough for people to vote on their behalf with their dollars. We all know that's not the way of things.
First of all, not all libertarians say that. Secondly, people can vote all they want now days but the big money still calls the shots.
Libertarianism has been pushed by the Koch brothers for years, because they are the type of people who would benefit from a Libertarian model, exclusively.
There actually is a philosophy behind Libertarianism, which I have just expressed. The fact that Libertarians don't even know what the fuck they stand for isn't my problem.
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paperbackwriter
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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21925382 - 07/10/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Koch brothers and weed addicts!
-------------------- Why should we strive with cynic frown To knock their fairy castles down? ~ Eliza Cook It's rather embarrassing to have given one's entire life to pondering the human predicament and to find that in the end one has little more to say than, 'Try to be a little kinder.' ~Aldous Huxley
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psyconaught
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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: paperbackwriter]
#21925418 - 07/10/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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because they are the type of people who would benefit from a Libertarian model, exclusively.
this statement right here proves you know next to nothing about libertarian philosophy.
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Stonehenge
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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: psyconaught]
#21925441 - 07/10/15 05:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, woofed thinks libertarians don't know what libertarianism is but he does.
-------------------- “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.” (attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville political philosopher Circa 1835) Trade list http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18047755
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Le_Canard
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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Enlil]
#21925650 - 07/10/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: If you think that most people fall into easily defined categories like that, you've got a very simplistic view of the world. I have many liberal ideals and many conservative ones. Most people do. Only truly devoted followers adhere to one or the other completely.
As do I. But considering what's running on the Rep side next year, I'll probably vote Dem.
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Bigbadwooof
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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Stonehenge]
#21926275 - 07/10/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Yeah, woofed thinks libertarians don't know what libertarianism is but he does. 
Libertarianism has become a new fad, which is why there are so many assholes running around identifying as Libertarians who have a very rough understanding of what it even is. I am very well aware of what it means to be a Libertarian, and I used to identify as one myself. I don't have to be a Libertarian to know what the term means.
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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21926655 - 07/10/15 11:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Libertarianism is basically constitutionalism, if it's not in the there, they don't do it, simple as that...
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Bigbadwooof
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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: hostileuniverse]
#21926704 - 07/10/15 11:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Libertarianism is basically constitutionalism, if it's not in the there, they don't do it, simple as that...
Wrong.
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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21926911 - 07/11/15 01:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Libertarianism is basically constitutionalism, if it's not in the there, they don't do it, simple as that...
Wrong.
Care to explain the fallacy?
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Bigbadwooof
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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: hostileuniverse]
#21927032 - 07/11/15 01:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Libertarianism is basically constitutionalism, if it's not in the there, they don't do it, simple as that...
Wrong.
Care to explain the fallacy?
Libertarianism is a political philosophy. It is not exclusive to America. In fact, the only country to have ever implemented Libertarianism is not American.
-------------------- "It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti FARTS "There is no need for conspiracy where interests converge" - George Carlin Every one of you should see this video. "If you bombard the earth with photons for a while, it can emit a roadster" - Andrej Kerpathy
 
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