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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21922461 - 07/09/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

There are a variety of reasons that someone becomes a heroin addict.  Addiction to opiates from chronic pain leading to unavailability and seeking alternatives, etc. 

Having a child should only be done when people have sufficient income and savings to weather rough times.  The least educated and prepared, however, have the most children.  Those children grow up with that example, and most of them will do the same.  Subsidizing that cycle doesn't help anyone, including those who are subsidized.  Instead, it serves to give just enough help to allow the cycle to continue unabated.

Rewarding the stupid for doing stupid shit is not the way to a better society overall.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Enlil]
    #21922578 - 07/09/15 11:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Having a child should only be done when people have sufficient income and savings to weather rough times.  The least educated and prepared, however, have the most children.  Those children grow up with that example, and most of them will do the same.  Subsidizing that cycle doesn't help anyone, including those who are subsidized.  Instead, it serves to give just enough help to allow the cycle to continue unabated.

Rewarding stupid people for doing stupid shit is not the way to a better society overall.




I have known many couples, single mothers, that proactively plan to have kids because their welfare is about to "run out", its fucking sick... and studies have shown that welfare is "generational" the more it is distributed, the more it grows, children learn it, live it...

***never seen more crybabies in my life...


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #21922586 - 07/09/15 11:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Don't misquote me.  If you don't like what I said, say what you want.  Don't put words in my mouth.

I would never be so stupid as to play the liberal/conservative false dichotomy game. 


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Enlil]
    #21922975 - 07/10/15 02:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I would never be so stupid as to play the liberal/conservative false dichotomy game. 




right, there's no difference between the two...:rolleyes:


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #21923518 - 07/10/15 08:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If you think that most people fall into easily defined categories like that, you've got a very simplistic view of the world.  I have many liberal ideals and many conservative ones.  Most people do.  Only truly devoted followers adhere to one or the other completely.

By turning it into a liberal/conservative battle, you simply raise the flag of your chosen team and cast dispersions on the other team.  Instead, why don't you try arguing YOUR position on a given issue and comparing that to someone else's position on that same issue.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Enlil]
    #21923886 - 07/10/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Vote for bernie sanders so we can end up like Greece.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Shins]
    #21923903 - 07/10/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Much as I don't agree with socialism, I think Bernie is a much better candidate than the eventual dem pick, hitlery. If the media has their way the bitch will be pres. The repubmocrats have had a lock on elections for far too long. Vote third party.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21923914 - 07/10/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

On the bright side four years of a much older Bill running around the White House trying to get his dick wet should be entertaining.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21923974 - 07/10/15 10:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So disregard the blatant corruption going on, the selling of power and access that the Clintons have done, just be entertained by the assholes?

Vote third party and break the duopoly.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Shins]
    #21923985 - 07/10/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Vote for bernie sanders so we can end up like Greece.




Who are you voting for?


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21924018 - 07/10/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So disregard the blatant corruption going on, the selling of power and access that the Clintons have done, just be entertained by the assholes?

Vote third party and break the duopoly.




It was a joke.

I'm fully expecting Bernie to pull just enough of Hillary's votes for Walker to eek out a win.

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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21924022 - 07/10/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So disregard the blatant corruption going on, the selling of power and access that the Clintons have done, just be entertained by the assholes?

Vote third party and break the duopoly.




It was a joke.

I'm fully expecting Bernie to pull just enough of Hillary's votes for Walker to eek out a win.

Koch Industries - 2016.




What?

You realize Bernie can only pull votes from Hillary if he loses the primary, then enters the general election as an independent? Which he already said he wouldn't do?

And Walker isn't even making out of Iowa, fuck outta here.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21924044 - 07/10/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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What?

You realize Bernie can only pull votes from Hillary if he loses the primary, then enters the general election as an independent? Which he already said he wouldn't do?




I didn't realize Bernie said he won't run if he loses the primary.

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And Walker isn't even making out of Iowa, fuck outta here.




Seems like he's doing well to me.  Can you show evidence that he's not?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/07/01/scott_walker_leads_in_tightening_iowa_poll_127200.html

http://thegazette.com/subject/news/polls-confirm-walker-clinton-leading-2016-races-in-iowa-20150708


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21924069 - 07/10/15 11:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If zappo like him he has no chance.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21924303 - 07/10/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Vote for bernie sanders so we can end up like Greece.




Who are you voting for?





I would vote Rand.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Shins]
    #21924401 - 07/10/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

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Shins said:
Vote for bernie sanders so we can end up like Greece.




Who are you voting for?





I would vote Rand.




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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21924415 - 07/10/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

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What?

You realize Bernie can only pull votes from Hillary if he loses the primary, then enters the general election as an independent? Which he already said he wouldn't do?




I didn't realize Bernie said he won't run if he loses the primary.

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And Walker isn't even making out of Iowa, fuck outta here.




Seems like he's doing well to me.  Can you show evidence that he's not?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/07/01/scott_walker_leads_in_tightening_iowa_poll_127200.html

http://thegazette.com/subject/news/polls-confirm-walker-clinton-leading-2016-races-in-iowa-20150708




Walker's only use is Wisconsin, the right is much better off dumping their money into Rubio for Florida.

Not to mention he has an incredible amount of baggage, like the time a reporter called him pretending to be David Koch, and Walker admitted to mulling the idea of planting agent provocateurs in the union protests.

Plus, the guy has no national traction or appeal. Pretty sure the GOP has the white christian male vote locked up.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21924424 - 07/10/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If the GOP nominee isn't Bush or Rubio, I'll change my sig to a penis for the entire general election process.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21924569 - 07/10/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Walker's only use is Wisconsin, the right is much better off dumping their money into Rubio for Florida.

Not to mention he has an incredible amount of baggage, like the time a reporter called him pretending to be David Koch, and Walker admitted to mulling the idea of planting agent provocateurs in the union protests.

Plus, the guy has no national traction or appeal. Pretty sure the GOP has the white christian male vote locked up.




He won twice in WI after that David Koch phone call.  The Koch brother's have also said they plan to dump $900,000,000 into this election cycle.  David also mentioned that Walker is his favorite.

I do think Rubio is a better bet but I wouldn't discount David's political aspirations or influence over the primaries.  He's been gunning for the white house for a long time.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21924603 - 07/10/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

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Walker's only use is Wisconsin, the right is much better off dumping their money into Rubio for Florida.

Not to mention he has an incredible amount of baggage, like the time a reporter called him pretending to be David Koch, and Walker admitted to mulling the idea of planting agent provocateurs in the union protests.

Plus, the guy has no national traction or appeal. Pretty sure the GOP has the white christian male vote locked up.




He won twice in WI after that David Koch phone call.  The Koch brother's have also said they plan to dump $900,000,000 into this election cycle.  David also mentioned that Walker is his favorite.

I do think Rubio is a better bet but I wouldn't discount David's political aspirations or influence over the primaries.  He's been gunning for the white house for a long time.




Of course, but do the Kochs dump money into Walker AND Rubio? Rubio seems to make the most sense.


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