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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Enlil]
    #21920587 - 07/09/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So, you think that people are starving in the U.S. because they can't afford food, but you want to take 1/3 of the ag land in the nation and divert it to produce biofuel?

You either haven't thought this through or you're blinded by some idealistic fairytale that has no basis in reality.




1 in 3 US farm acres is planted for export.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21920657 - 07/09/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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1 in 3 US farm acres is planted for export.



It should be much more than that.  The rest of the world is starving, after all.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21920732 - 07/09/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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sorry, been working out of town, really long hours, not demanding to get paid more...




Really long hours. Hmm, interesting, considering in the other thread you stated that you don't even work 40 hours a week.




I don't work 40 hours a week. usually. but I will work 16 hour days back to back occasionally, or three 12s in a row. Nature of my job.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #21920801 - 07/09/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You work 12 hour shifts but still can't manage a 40 hour work week?

Christ.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #21920934 - 07/09/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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sorry, been working out of town, really long hours, not demanding to get paid more...




Really long hours. Hmm, interesting, considering in the other thread you stated that you don't even work 40 hours a week.




I don't work 40 hours a week. usually. but I will work 16 hour days back to back occasionally, or three 12s in a row. Nature of my job.




16 Hour days are rough, I'll give you that. That said, I would have traded my left nut for your work schedule once upon a time.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Enlil]
    #21920951 - 07/09/15 05:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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1 in 3 US farm acres is planted for export.



It should be much more than that.  The rest of the world is starving, after all.




In the context of this conversation, the rest of the world isn't a concern. We're talking about what would be good or bad for America.

Aside from that, if we stopped exporting as much food, but also stopped using oil, oil prices would plummet for the rest of the world. Cheap energy would be more beneficial to them than dependence on America.

We could expand free trade with America worldwide too. That would be to their benefit, and our detriment. It would only serve to close the gap between American wages and foreign wages.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21921061 - 07/09/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think in terms of what's good or bad for America without at least considering it in the context of the rest of the world.  What we have now is unsustainable, and I'm not really big on the idea of making it more so.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Enlil]
    #21921135 - 07/09/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't think in terms of what's good or bad for America without at least considering it in the context of the rest of the world.  What we have now is unsustainable, and I'm not really big on the idea of making it more so.




I honestly don't find coal and oil to be the 'sustainable' option. Regardless, you wouldn't even need to replace oil with biofuel exclusively. There are many different ways to create energy without fossil fuels. If we invested in nuclear fusion if would be beneficial for everyone in the world.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21921166 - 07/09/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Of course coal and oil aren't sustainable.  Nuclear fusion, if we can make it work, is the only hope for replacing fossil fuel.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Enlil]
    #21921194 - 07/09/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Of course coal and oil aren't sustainable.  Nuclear fusion, if we can make it work, is the only hope for replacing fossil fuel.




I think that if this were a priority we'd already have nuclear fusion. I agree though, it is a prerequisite for humanity to fill its energy needs indefinitely.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Enlil]
    #21921200 - 07/09/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Are you speaking of highschool students. I don't find them to be a priority in this discussion whatsoever. I don't care about Jimmy's extra spending money.




so now we're robbing peter to pay paul. It isn't just about extra spending money. If you prevent new labor from entering the market eventually no one will have any job experience because its too expensive to hire inexperienced people.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: psyconaught]
    #21921992 - 07/09/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Minimum wage should support a minimum lifestyle...not a life of luxury and comfort.  Once someone works his/her way out of minimum wage, he/she can start adding luxuries.





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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: psyconaught]
    #21922019 - 07/09/15 09:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Are you speaking of highschool students. I don't find them to be a priority in this discussion whatsoever. I don't care about Jimmy's extra spending money.




so now we're robbing peter to pay paul. It isn't just about extra spending money. If you prevent new labor from entering the market eventually no one will have any job experience because its too expensive to hire inexperienced people.




i believe raising the minimum wage would cause roughly a 2% increase in youth unemployment? I believe it's around there. Overall employment would remain unchanged. It's clearly a worthy sacrifice. I don't care if 1/50 less highschool kids have jobs, if more single mothers are able to feed their children.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21922125 - 07/09/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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if more single mothers are able to feed their children.



More than what?  Are there a lot of single mothers who are letting their kids starve to death in the U.S.?


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Enlil]
    #21922158 - 07/09/15 09:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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if more single mothers are able to feed their children.



More than what?  Are there a lot of single mothers who are letting their kids starve to death in the U.S.?




there's not, that's straw man argument liberals use to keep the money flowing and to demonize them mean ol conservatives...

if anything, the children of the US are overfed, lots of obesity, according to Mooooochelle Obama...


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Enlil]
    #21922331 - 07/09/15 10:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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if more single mothers are able to feed their children.



More than what?  Are there a lot of single mothers who are letting their kids starve to death in the U.S.?




Let me put that in a more adequate phrasing then: If single mothers are more equipped to care for their children.

Single parenting is a struggle, especially on minimum wage.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #21922337 - 07/09/15 10:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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if more single mothers are able to feed their children.



More than what?  Are there a lot of single mothers who are letting their kids starve to death in the U.S.?




there's not, that's straw man argument liberals use to keep the money flowing and to demonize them mean ol conservatives...

if anything, the children of the US are overfed, lots of obesity, according to Mooooochelle Obama...




I don't think all Republicans are mean. I certainly don't think all Liberals are nice. Am I not allowed to criticize the policies they endorse? I think you're the one strawmanning.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21922397 - 07/09/15 10:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Single parenting is a struggle, especially on minimum wage.



Being a heroin addict is a struggle, too.  Should minimum wage be increased to a level that can feed the addiction more adequately?

Having a child is a choice, and I see no reason that society should subsidize imprudent choices.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21922407 - 07/09/15 10:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

oh please, anytime there is any talk about cutting the rates of growth in these bloated programs, liberals start screaming "they want children to starve"

conservatives have even given up even trying to cut these programs at all, only slow their growth, instead of the automatic 5% increase every year, maybe lets try only increasing it 3.5%, nope, not good enough, "THEYRE TRYING TO STARVE THE CHILDREN"

and the funny thing is, this shit works on the sheeple, those who don't even have the wherewithall to follow politics, too dumb to understand what is going on, and who runs the education system? but thats another topic...


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Enlil]
    #21922430 - 07/09/15 10:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Single parenting is a struggle, especially on minimum wage.



Being a heroin addict is a struggle, too.  Should minimum wage be increased to a level that can feed the addiction more adequately?

Having a child is a choice, and I see no reason that society should subsidize imprudent choices.




Poor argument. There are a variety of reasons someone becomes a single parent. Husband/Wife leaves for their secretary, Husband/Wife dies in a car accident, etc. Poor decision making is one of those reasons. However, I believe it is a moral prerogative of any modern society to attempt to mitigate the cost paid by the child or their parents' miscalculation or misfortune.

I'm not suggesting what is currently on the table in Switzerland ($2,800 guaranteed income, paid by the government). An increase in the minimum wage isn't some whacky idea; it used to be higher than it is now!


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