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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Achillita]
    #21937363 - 07/13/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I hope you're not being serious in that statement...

If we were to truly limit the population, it'd have to be completely random. Or some sort of mass apocalypse, with the survivors being the "best" humans.






Doing it randomly would be unwise, we should kill off the weak and defective first, we could use gas chambers!

The Nazis were jut reducing humanity's carbon footprint...


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21937376 - 07/13/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Well if we are going to limit the population,  we would be smart to practice eugenics.  If were going to kill off 6/7 of the population we should start with gypsies and whatnot.




If we continue with that thought process, it will be the wealthy killing off the poor, plain and simple. The top 10% of wealthy people kill off the rest of us.





Bingo.

say hello to agenda 21.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Shins]
    #21937495 - 07/13/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

As automation advances, the rich have less need for our labor. If anybody thinks the rich are just gonna universally adopt socialism in order to help the jobless masses, they're crazy.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Shins]
    #21937515 - 07/13/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Shins said:
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Achillita said:
I hope you're not being serious in that statement...

If we were to truly limit the population, it'd have to be completely random. Or some sort of mass apocalypse, with the survivors being the "best" humans.






Doing it randomly would be unwise, we should kill off the weak and defective first, we could use gas chambers!

The Nazis were jut reducing humanity's carbon footprint...




Lol, that is a forbidden thing to say. Lets hope asante doesn't see it.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21937520 - 07/13/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Lets go green guys.  Gas chambers for all!


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21937540 - 07/13/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If we continue with that thought process, it will be the wealthy killing off the poor, plain and simple. The top 10% of wealthy people kill off the rest of us.




How does one rectify that with so many claiming the poor do all the work and the rich sponge from them? If the rich kill the poor who will tend to the needs of the rich?


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21937614 - 07/13/15 02:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
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Bigbadwooof said:
If we continue with that thought process, it will be the wealthy killing off the poor, plain and simple. The top 10% of wealthy people kill off the rest of us.




How does one rectify that with so many claiming the poor do all the work and the rich sponge from them? If the rich kill the poor who will tend to the needs of the rich?




By somewhere around 2050 we're likely to see significant advancements with robotics and AI... who will have access to these technologies? Labor will be phased out. It's not even terribly far off. If we don't redistribute wealth before that occurs, there will never be a means to restrict the wealthy from a level of power we can't even conceive of, and will never get back.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21937659 - 07/13/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well, your explanation is hogwash but kudos for trying.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21937668 - 07/13/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

For all the future robot proletarians out there.



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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21937779 - 07/13/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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who will have access to these technologies?



the wealthy at first, then everyone else after a short while. Just like every single other technological advancement. Robotics is no different.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21937916 - 07/13/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
Quote:

Bigbadwooof said:
If we continue with that thought process, it will be the wealthy killing off the poor, plain and simple. The top 10% of wealthy people kill off the rest of us.




How does one rectify that with so many claiming the poor do all the work and the rich sponge from them? If the rich kill the poor who will tend to the needs of the rich?




By somewhere around 2050 we're likely to see significant advancements with robotics and AI... who will have access to these technologies? Labor will be phased out. It's not even terribly far off. If we don't redistribute wealth before that occurs, there will never be a means to restrict the wealthy from a level of power we can't even conceive of, and will never get back.




It will happen much earlier than 2050.... at least if you believe Kurzweil.

It looks like it will take 35 years to get to the bottom of that hill on the sled we are on, but that is because you don't realize you are riding a mudslide also (kind of how kurzweil explains the exponential curve of technological discovery).
Kurzweil thinks about 2033 will look like what we think 2100 looks like: implementation of nanotechnology in everyday life, virtual everything, life expectancy doubled etc...


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #21944532 - 07/14/15 11:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Wow, apparently this poll eluded me. The Wisconsin straw poll, Bernie Sanders vs Hillary. Hillary took 49% of the vote, and Sanders took 41%.

I'm quite impressed by his progress, regardless of whether he wins or loses. The left is waking up in this country.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21957300 - 07/17/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
As automation advances, the rich have less need for our labor. If anybody thinks the rich are just gonna universally adopt socialism in order to help the jobless masses, they're crazy.




It isn't just the rich that have no use for your ass.  It is the consumer.  The owners don't much care.  They compete with each other and automation benefits the consumer.  Are you some kind of Luddite?  Should we remove nail guns from construction jobs?  Take away the power saws?


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21957422 - 07/17/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
As automation advances, the rich have less need for our labor. If anybody thinks the rich are just gonna universally adopt socialism in order to help the jobless masses, they're crazy.




It isn't just the rich that have no use for your ass.  It is the consumer.  The owners don't much care.  They compete with each other and automation benefits the consumer.  Are you some kind of Luddite?  Should we remove nail guns from construction jobs?  Take away the power saws?




No, we should take away Capitalism. That's clearly what he is saying.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21957431 - 07/17/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So woof, was the bay of pigs a lie or did it happen?


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21957482 - 07/17/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So woof, was the bay of pigs a lie or did it happen?




I never said it didn't happen, and I answered you on the appropriate thread.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21957491 - 07/17/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
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The Ecstatic said:
As automation advances, the rich have less need for our labor. If anybody thinks the rich are just gonna universally adopt socialism in order to help the jobless masses, they're crazy.




It isn't just the rich that have no use for your ass.  It is the consumer.  The owners don't much care.  They compete with each other and automation benefits the consumer.  Are you some kind of Luddite?  Should we remove nail guns from construction jobs?  Take away the power saws?




No, we should take away Capitalism. That's clearly what he is saying.



how exactly do you take away capitalism? Ban all business?


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: psyconaught]
    #21957499 - 07/17/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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psyconaught said:
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Bigbadwooof said:
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zappaisgod said:
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The Ecstatic said:
As automation advances, the rich have less need for our labor. If anybody thinks the rich are just gonna universally adopt socialism in order to help the jobless masses, they're crazy.




It isn't just the rich that have no use for your ass.  It is the consumer.  The owners don't much care.  They compete with each other and automation benefits the consumer.  Are you some kind of Luddite?  Should we remove nail guns from construction jobs?  Take away the power saws?




No, we should take away Capitalism. That's clearly what he is saying.



how exactly do you take away capitalism? Ban all business?




You implement an alternate economic structure, as much of the world has done.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21957622 - 07/17/15 07:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
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zappaisgod said:
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The Ecstatic said:
As automation advances, the rich have less need for our labor. If anybody thinks the rich are just gonna universally adopt socialism in order to help the jobless masses, they're crazy.




It isn't just the rich that have no use for your ass.  It is the consumer.  The owners don't much care.  They compete with each other and automation benefits the consumer.  Are you some kind of Luddite?  Should we remove nail guns from construction jobs?  Take away the power saws?




No, we should take away Capitalism. That's clearly what he is saying.



how exactly do you take away capitalism? Ban all business?




You implement an alternate economic structure, as much of the world has done.



"how do you take away capitalism"

"you get rid of it duh"

that doesnt answer my question. Though many other countries have more socialistic tendencies they still have a capitalist foundation.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: psyconaught]
    #21958238 - 07/17/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Are you saying that Capitalism can't be replaced? There are many approaches that we could take to phasing out Capitalism. We could use the political process to stimulate the growth of worker cooperatives, community owned utilities, etc and establish a social base that would be fostered by a Socialist macro-economic structure.

We could also use the political process to implement a Social Democracy and slowly phase in a micro-socialist structure. This is most likely what will happen.


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