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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Shins]
    #21935775 - 07/13/15 12:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The data shows global cooling for the past 17+ years.  People still think global warming exists because they are gulliable idiots who parrot what other people say.  Even climate scientists no longer use the term "global warming" and  ow say "climate change"  because global warming has been debunked.




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when you put a glass of ice water outside on a hot day, what happens?  if you said:"the ice melts" congratulations, you are correct.  What happens to the water when the ice melts? if you said:"it gets colder" congratulations, you are correct. What happens, when there isn't anymore ice to melt? if you said:"the water begins to warm" congratulations, you are correct.




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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #21935894 - 07/13/15 01:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Your girlfriends sister made two changes that almost anyone can make to have a real impact on the environment: don't drive a car and don't eat meat. Those two relatively simple things can be huge for the environment. If more people did just those two things, we'd see some real differences.




She's an impressive woman. Not everyone lives close enough to work, or is a runner... the vegetarian thing... blech...


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21935904 - 07/13/15 01:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

don't eat meat? fuck off... I an understand an argument against the corporate farms of pigs, chicken and cows, but acting like meat is bad is just stupid. Go shoot a deer and eat for a year.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #21936275 - 07/13/15 07:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Meat is a very inefficient way of feeding people. If we intend to support anywhere close to the current population, it can't be done with a meat based diet.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #21936283 - 07/13/15 07:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That's a big if.  Rather than give up meat, I'd prefer to see a population reduction event that dropped us to a billion or lower.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21936291 - 07/13/15 07:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Your girlfriends sister made two changes that almost anyone can make to have a real impact on the environment: don't drive a car and don't eat meat. Those two relatively simple things can be huge for the environment. If more people did just those two things, we'd see some real differences.




She's an impressive woman. Not everyone lives close enough to work, or is a runner... the vegetarian thing... blech...




My point is that it shouldn't be considered that impressive. If someone actually wants to make a real, recognizable difference in the world (not just talk about it), then it starts with them. And the two easiest things to do are not to eat meat and not to drive, and those are options that nearly all of us have.

I don't want to say the change is easy, but it's really not very difficult. Anyone who wants to help the world can start with these two steps.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Enlil]
    #21936300 - 07/13/15 07:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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That's a big if.  Rather than give up meat, I'd prefer to see a population reduction event that dropped us to a billion or lower.



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That's a big if.  Rather than give up meat, I'd prefer to see a population reduction event that dropped us to a billion or lower.




As great as that may be for most planetary ecosystems, I'd prefer not to see that as I highly suspect I would not be one of the billion to survive. Selfish, I know, but if we're going to have a mass population reduction, it would be much more convinient if it happened after I live quite a while longer.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #21936331 - 07/13/15 08:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Having a 1/7 chance of living vs living without meat is a no-brainer.  Sign me up for those odds any day.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Enlil]
    #21936504 - 07/13/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well we could start with education, especially sex education, and making contraceptives more available, not just in the U.S. but everywhere.

If you can't give up meat eating less or local has quite an impact.

Or just go 12 Monkeys.  Seems a bit heartless though.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21936777 - 07/13/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I find it quite ironic that the pope is coming out against poverty and climate change yet the Vatican is still against contraception.

Contraception is probably the best prevention for both poverty and climate change.

also, if there were no poverty and everyone was wealthy, they woukd pollute a hell of a lot more, so the idea of ending poverty as well as preventing climate change are kind of at odds.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Enlil]
    #21936893 - 07/13/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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That's a big if.  Rather than give up meat, I'd prefer to see a population reduction event that dropped us to a billion or lower.




Any mass population reduction event on that scale would likely destroy most of the planet. The only way I could see it being somewhat less destructive would be some sort of virus. If the US goes to war with China we are also quite likely to see a significat biological reduction, but that would leave disasterous aftermath.

China has really made life, and labor cheap via its explosive population growth. Now they desire to join the rest of the modern world, but it just isn't possible.  I think the colonization of Mars is a good option for the future.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21936940 - 07/13/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

All we have to do is limit the birth rate, silly.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21936974 - 07/13/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I find it quite ironic that the pope is coming out against poverty and climate change yet the Vatican is still against contraception.

Contraception is probably the best prevention for both poverty and climate change.




Indeed.

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All we have to do is limit the birth rate, silly.




In theory sure.  In practice, MY FREEDOMS BITCHES!


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21936993 - 07/13/15 11:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Eugenics is back


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Shins]
    #21937131 - 07/13/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Eugenics is back




How is this eugenics?


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21937247 - 07/13/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Environmentalists talk about limiting the population,  that's a form of eugenics.

Enlil is talking about killing off 6/7 of the world population.

hell maybe the holocaust was good for the environment...


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Shins]
    #21937261 - 07/13/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Environmentalists talk about limiting the population,  that's a form of eugenics.

Enlil is talking about killing off 6/7 of the world population.

hell maybe the holocaust was good for the environment...




Eugenics means intentional breeding of humans for an intended superior outcome. It became a racist ideology, with a heirarchy of races. We're not talking about eugenics at all. China has, or had, a child limitation. They were not practicing eugenics, but rather population control.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21937279 - 07/13/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well if we are going to limit the population,  we would be smart to practice eugenics.  If were going to kill off 6/7 of the population we should start with gypsies and whatnot.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Shins]
    #21937325 - 07/13/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I hope you're not being serious in that statement...

If we were to truly limit the population, it'd have to be completely random. Or some sort of mass apocalypse, with the survivors being the "best" humans.


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Re: Bernie Sanders draws 10,000 people, most of any candidate yet! [Re: Shins]
    #21937359 - 07/13/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Well if we are going to limit the population,  we would be smart to practice eugenics.  If were going to kill off 6/7 of the population we should start with gypsies and whatnot.




If we continue with that thought process, it will be the wealthy killing off the poor, plain and simple. The top 10% of wealthy people kill off the rest of us.


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