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Sclerotia Growing Question
    #21888931 - 07/02/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If I follow Stonesun's directions with prepping rye berries in a grow bag, inoculate with clean Galindoi LC and wait until I get some stones, can I then take the leftover rye berries after removing the stones and split that bag into two bags with a substrate like coir/verm/coffee grinds seal up those bags and expect a whole new flush of stones or is the stone production "spent" after one stone "flush" so to speak?  I really have no interest in fruiting the mushies just keeping the stone production going as long as possible?

Any thoughts on this or anyone tried this?  What would be the best substrate to mix the rye berries with after the stones are removed?


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Re: Sclerotia Growing Question [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #21888974 - 07/02/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Just g2g or water suspension transfer to more rye berries. I have never seen an attempt with coir and verm, and thats probably because no one in their right mind would want to eat verm. The sclerotia will not consume the verm and I doubt it will completely push it out of the stones either. You have to remember that your substrate becomes the stones to some extent so it better be something that is consumed by the mushies or something that you don't mind consuming.


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Re: Sclerotia Growing Question [Re: OPB]
    #21889047 - 07/02/15 04:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Just g2g or water suspension transfer to more rye berries. I have never seen an attempt with coir and verm, and thats probably because no one in their right mind would want to eat verm. The sclerotia will not consume the verm and I doubt it will completely push it out of the stones either. You have to remember that your substrate becomes the stones to some extent so it better be something that is consumed by the mushies or something that you don't mind consuming.




Yea try just plain coir if u want more stones. If u want fruits mix it with whatever u wish. Manure and coir works well. Apply a thin casing layer upon full colonization


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Re: Sclerotia Growing Question [Re: Aero]
    #21889346 - 07/02/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You could pull a li out before harvest if you have a ship then transfer to new grain

Or clone a large stone on agar and make a master slant.

I wouldn't rule out fruiting a batch and taking prints,  I print everything

For stones I personally wouldn't use anything except grain


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Re: Sclerotia Growing Question [Re: mush madness]
    #21890080 - 07/02/15 09:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

After harvesting stones you can return the grains back to a container and it will produce more stones. Just make sure there is no obvious contamination and try to be as clean as possible when harvesting.


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Re: Sclerotia Growing Question [Re: Ncogneato]
    #21890447 - 07/02/15 10:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for all the replies.  Nice things about the grow bags Is I think I can kinda massage the stones out of the grain and then quickly remove them from the bag and just seal it back up with little or no contamination at all, maybe even pour in a quart of new grains and just seal it back up.  I wonder how long you could keep that game going on?


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Re: Sclerotia Growing Question [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #21890629 - 07/02/15 11:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well try it and let us know. I am truffling too and would certainly be interested in your results. I will be harvesting my first run in 4 weeks and plan to return my grains to some Glad container for a second harvest and may try for a third if possible. When thats all done I will try to fruit out of whatever is left. No sense in wasting anything.


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Re: Sclerotia Growing Question [Re: Ncogneato]
    #21946212 - 07/15/15 07:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

After harvesting the stones, would the Muda bottles" tek work in terms of mixing the colonized rye berries that are left with his substrate formula and fruiting them the same way he does?  Anyone tried that?


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Re: Sclerotia Growing Question [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #21946341 - 07/15/15 08:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I spawned galindoi to coir and verm. Got massive stone harvests and the verm comes off with ease. Big stones and fruits as well. Now spawning stone spawn to manure is something i wouldn't want to eat stones from. A little verm just gives you some sparkly poo.


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Re: Sclerotia Growing Question [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21946416 - 07/15/15 08:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I spawned galindoi to coir and verm. Got massive stone harvests and the verm comes off with ease. Big stones and fruits as well. Now spawning stone spawn to manure is something i wouldn't want to eat stones from. A little verm just gives you some sparkly poo.




Pastywhyte - Can't tell you how much I appreciate your advice.  It's helped a ton!  Just so I'm super clear here:

1. I have a big bag of rye berries going now … stones are growing nicely … probably another 5 weeks or so until I harvest stones and have plenty of spawn after removing stones
2. I'd prefer to use the PP5 (quart sized) bottles, if at all possible as it fits my growing system and stealth/space preferences
3. Do you think I'd get decent results mixing my remaining colonized rye berries with a 50/50 Coir/Verm mix in those bottles or would it need a bigger tray/monotub situation to work? 
4. If I mixed my colonized rye berries (after stone harvest) with the coir/verm mix, would I then let it all colonize and then case and fruit and if cased, what would you use?
5. Do you think I'd get another (2nd) harvest of Stones in the fruiting substrate too?

Again, thanks a million for your help and advice!


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Re: Sclerotia Growing Question [Re: Aero]
    #21946882 - 07/15/15 11:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Just g2g or water suspension transfer to more rye berries. I have never seen an attempt with coir and verm, and thats probably because no one in their right mind would want to eat verm. The sclerotia will not consume the verm and I doubt it will completely push it out of the stones either. You have to remember that your substrate becomes the stones to some extent so it better be something that is consumed by the mushies or something that you don't mind consuming.




Yea try just plain coir if u want more stones. If u want fruits mix it with whatever u wish. Manure and coir works well. Apply a thin casing layer upon full colonization




I've mixed coir/verm b4 with tampanensis spawn and ended up getting a large amount of truffles and no fruits what so ever I assumed they were safe to eat because I didn't see any contams. The verm made eating them almost unbearable I was going to eat 17-20g fresh but ended up eating just about 9g or more. The truffles had a kinda bland taste until hit hits the back of your throat then it had a particular kind of taste that made me feel as if I just drank some weird alcohol


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