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Jsneeb
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Will be gone 4th july weekend. Harvest early or late?
#21888475 - 07/02/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So, I have a monotub doing well right now. Saw pins on Monday morning, and steady growth for the past 4 days. Judging on my past grows pins to broken veil is about 5 days right on the dot.
Problem is I will be gone from my home tomorrow, thru late sunday evening.
Should I harvest my shrooms now? They clearly aren't fully matured. Or leave them be for the weekend and see what develops.
My plan was to harvest the most grown ones tonight in about 6 hours right before i leave. The smaller ones should be ok and not go ripe and dump spores.
What are the consequences of leaving them for an extra 2 days after they start dumping spores?
What are consequences of harvesting them now?
Pics below,

The most matures ones look like this...

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Re: Will be gone 4th july weekend. Harvest early or late? [Re: Jsneeb]
#21888629 - 07/02/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Harvest the big ones and take a chance and leave the smaller pins if you think they won't have time to open up and drop spores everywhere. That would be the only concern probably
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Re: Will be gone 4th july weekend. Harvest early or late? [Re: thebitterbuffalo26]
#21888689 - 07/02/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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you won't be gone long, any fruits that mature and drop spores will just get a little bigger.
There's nothing wrong with harvesting early. some even prefer it due to smaller, more concentrated (alkaloid wise) fruits.
Personally I'd just harvest any that are close to maturing and leave the rest. But this is only because I hate spores getting everywhere.
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Re: Will be gone 4th july weekend. Harvest early or late? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21888770 - 07/02/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sounds good.
Thats what I will do.
I wouldnt mind the spores everywhere but this is the first flush and I'd like the substrate to not look like shit for a potential 2 or more flushes.
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Re: Will be gone 4th july weekend. Harvest early or late? [Re: Jsneeb]
#21888988 - 07/02/15 04:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Jsneeb said: I wouldnt mind the spores everywhere.
You say that...
Ever seen a cat get sand in its mouth?
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Re: Will be gone 4th july weekend. Harvest early or late? [Re: TravelAgency]
#21889030 - 07/02/15 04:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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TravelAgency said:
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Jsneeb said: I wouldnt mind the spores everywhere.
You say that...
Ever seen a cat get sand in its mouth?
and you have? How do they react?
(I've seen a trusted cultivator say that spores on the substrate can lead to bacterial contamination. But when I PM'd him requesting an explanation he never replied. So don't quote me on that)
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Re: Will be gone 4th july weekend. Harvest early or late? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21889110 - 07/02/15 05:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Tastes awful and feels grainy- I let a sporesplosion happen one time and never again will I let that happen. I'd rather take'm young.
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Re: Will be gone 4th july weekend. Harvest early or late? [Re: TravelAgency]
#21889391 - 07/02/15 06:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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sporesplosion , sounds kinky 
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Personally I'd just harvest any that are close to maturing and leave the rest. But this is only because I hate spores getting everywhere.
Ditto, then you can take a few with you when you go watch fireworks 
And when you get back, more beautiful fruits will be waiting to welcome you home.
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Re: Will be gone 4th july weekend. Harvest early or late? [Re: TravelAgency]
#21889596 - 07/02/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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TravelAgency said: Tastes awful and feels grainy- I let a sporesplosion happen one time and never again will I let that happen. I'd rather take'm young.
Same here, i like a clean looking cap attached harvest. and like albalzer said, their saidto be more concentrated alkaloidwise
RR said in a post
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RogerRabbit said: lol. As we know, when mushrooms grow, they don't grow by cell division. The cells expand as they engorge with water. A small pin has all the cells it will have as a large mushroom. That's why a small fruit has nearly as much actives as a much larger fruit. The larger fruit is engorged with water, thus it's less potent by weight. That's a fact....
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Re: Will be gone 4th july weekend. Harvest early or late? [Re: CarlosDanger]
#21889694 - 07/02/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The larger fruit is engorged with water, thus it's less potent by weight. That's a fact....
Wouldnt it be just as potent by weight once dried? If they have the same biomass and psilocybin then once you remove the water there should be no difference other than cell elongation?
Unless you plan on dosing with wet shrooms based on weight it shouldnt matter in my opinion. 
Either way its still advisabe to pick early if need be or if you simply want to.
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Re: Will be gone 4th july weekend. Harvest early or late? [Re: Toadstool5]
#21889908 - 07/02/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Toadstool5 said:
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The larger fruit is engorged with water, thus it's less potent by weight. That's a fact....
Wouldnt it be just as potent by weight once dried? If they have the same biomass and psilocybin then once you remove the water there should be no difference other than cell elongation?
Unless you plan on dosing with wet shrooms based on weight it shouldnt matter in my opinion. 
Either way its still advisabe to pick early if need be or if you simply want to. 
thats a good point..I mean how does the mushroom get heavier if its only water thats making it bigger supposedly? We know that a small mushroom weighs less than it will after it grows. (dry weight)
But, if RR said it, its probably true.
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Re: Will be gone 4th july weekend. Harvest early or late? [Re: Toadstool5]
#21889935 - 07/02/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Toadstool5 said: Ditto, then you can take a few with you when you go watch fireworks 
And when you get back, more beautiful fruits will be waiting to welcome you home. 
HOLY SHIT! I didn't even think of that!
Absolutely harvesting the big ones now then for a 4th July firework trip!
Wont have time to dry so how would you guys suggest to adjust my dose for the non mature shrooms? I'm still quite new ( 2 trips under my belt. 12 grams and 22 fresh. )
I'm thinking 25?
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Re: Will be gone 4th july weekend. Harvest early or late? [Re: Jsneeb]
#21889957 - 07/02/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Personally I never adjust my dose by weight when eating small shrooms.
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Re: Will be gone 4th july weekend. Harvest early or late? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21890279 - 07/02/15 09:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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That's why a small fruit has nearly as much actives as a much larger fruit.
Maybe thats why RR specifies NEARLY as much because if both are dry then the larger mushroom is slightly more potent. However the difference in psilocybin could never compare to the difference in water weight therefore the larger fresh ones are technically less potent until dried.
I have never messed with fresh but many people suggest a tea and 25g with an average of 90% water would be approx. 2.5g dried. Exactly the amount i personally would take for halloween or the 4th.
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Re: Will be gone 4th july weekend. Harvest early or late? [Re: Jsneeb]
#21891121 - 07/03/15 01:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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When RR said it's less potent by weight, I'm pretty sure he was saying 5 wet grams are not the same as 5 dry. Seems pretty obvious to us yeah, but to a laymen, not so much. Unless I'm mistaken, they take on so much water to aid in the transport of nutrients through the tissue, thus increasing comparable potency when dry. Again I think I read that somewhere but I could be talking outta my ass. I've always just stuck to the approximate dosing chart. I really really doubt your going to come across a fully developed cube that is twice as potent as the average mushroom. 1g - Big smile and empathy, colors enhance 2g - Uprgrade to universal empathy and making deep connections 3.5 - Tracers, colors, the classic notion of tripping 5g - Whoooooa.... uh.... hm... uhhhhhhhh. 7g - More intense than comfortable. DO NOT RECOMMEND
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Jsneeb said: I'm thinking 25?
That will be very comparable to your other trip at the same dose. For fireworks, fuck yeah.
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Re: Will be gone 4th july weekend. Harvest early or late? [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21891156 - 07/03/15 02:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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5 wet grams are not the same as 5 dry
That makes more sense than a more mature mushroom being less potent. I think you are spot on because the cubes are always about the same.
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I really really doubt your going to come across a fully developed cube that is twice as potent as the average mushroom.
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Re: Will be gone 4th july weekend. Harvest early or late? [Re: Toadstool5]
#21891176 - 07/03/15 02:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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When I did my first grow I was very disappointed with my results at first. I was seeing people post all these pictures of these big fat mushrooms as big as their hand and mine were all so small. They didn't lose a lot of weight when dried out but WHOA they were every bit as potent as any I had bought. The thing that struck me though was how little cramping and stomach pain I felt as opposed to getting some from a random source (in my area people would pick them in the fields and toss around words like 'Hydroponic' )
I think the only time you are going to see diminished potency is if they hadn't matured yet.
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Re: Will be gone 4th july weekend. Harvest early or late? [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21892017 - 07/03/15 10:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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but everybody knows that 5 grams wet is less potent than 5 grams dry. why would RR waste his time explaining that?
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Re: Will be gone 4th july weekend. Harvest early or late? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21892055 - 07/03/15 10:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Then why would RR say it's a fact without any proof to back it up? Genetics is far more important than maturity of fruits when it comes to potency. Anyone who's had a super over gown 4 gram mushroom thinking it'll be weak was sadly mistaken. At least I was.
Pick or don't pick OP. Seriously up to you. I personally rarely pick at veil opening. I always let them open up and get flat. Most of the time it doesn't drop too many spores on the substrate, so subsequent flushes don't get effected too much. Also I made up a tek if you do get a Sporesplosion for those of you who hate spores
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Re: Will be gone 4th july weekend. Harvest early or late? [Re: Mad Season]
#21892143 - 07/03/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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They look pretty small... I would leave them be and let them reach their full potential. Patience is key.
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Re: Will be gone 4th july weekend. Harvest early or late? [Re: sisomsO]
#21902871 - 07/05/15 09:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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OP delivers on results.
Picking the first ones was a great decision for a few reasons,
1) They were indeed quite small, but I came back today to a full box of shrooms!!!, the little pins I thought would likely abort ended up having the room and nutrients to take off. My tub was so full I couldnt even get a hand in there to pull them off the substrate!
This is a 4 quart spawn, 5 quart bulk sub ( manure / coir / verm )which just delivered about 370 grams fresh. How is that in terms of yeild? I am blown away considering my last grow resulted in about 17 grams from the first flush and another 10 over the next few weeks. Fuck PF tek, amiright? 
2) Picking the early bloomers gave space for many more to take their place. I will continue to pick the early bloomers out of my tub on all subsequent grows. Aproximatly 4-5 days after the first pins.
3) I got just about 30 grams from picking the most mature ones on Friday. I took 22 for the 4th july fireworks at about 8 pm and there are no words to describe how magical the experience was. I'm pretty sure I had an orgasm during the fireworks finale. Not sexual at all, hard to explain, but fuck it felt great!



Sweet! Looking foreword to a smaller second flush.
Thank you everyone for your awesome and knowledgeable advice!
Piggy backing on this post, now how should i dry everything? I have a dehydrator but dont know what temp to set it too for best dry and most potency. Currently it's at 110 f. I started a new thread for this topic also.
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Re: Will be gone 4th july weekend. Harvest early or late? [Re: Jsneeb]
#21903685 - 07/06/15 12:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I typically do 125. But really you'll be fine doing 160.
Using silica gel (desiccant) after the dehydrator is recommended especially if you're in a humid area like me. I put them in a big jar with desiccant at the bottom after drying in the dehydrator
glad it worked out.
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Re: Will be gone 4th july weekend. Harvest early or late? [Re: Jsneeb]
#21905111 - 07/06/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gorgeous! They look perfect! Look at how straight some of them are! Obviously have your FAE down to a science.
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Re: Will be gone 4th july weekend. Harvest early or late? [Re: TravelAgency]
#21906257 - 07/06/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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About the FAE.
I'm going to have to start a thread about this but ever since I introduced a desktop computer fan running at 20 % power. ( just a light breeze ) every single thing I have grown has worked fucking great. No more "fuzzy feet" or stunted growth. From pin to mature fruit is 5-6 days on the money ever time.
I know alot of people say not to use a fan inside the fruiting chamber but clearly it has worked for me.
I keep my polyfill tight, and the fan on for half hour every 2 hours. A total of about 3 hours per day. Except mid day when it is hot in my room it is on for a whole hour.
Works great! I think they key is the low air speed. You can barely feel it on your skin. At most a 2 mph breeze. I aim the fan at a downward angle so it moves air from the top of the chamber down onto the substrate.
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Edited by Jsneeb (07/06/15 05:49 PM)
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Re: Will be gone 4th july weekend. Harvest early or late? [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21906825 - 07/06/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ZeroBoyWD said: W(in my area people would pick them in the fields and toss around words like 'Hydroponic' )
i love this i bet someone a 1000 dollars that he couldnt get a hydroponic shroom he still wont pay me
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Re: Will be gone 4th july weekend. Harvest early or late? [Re: bugman]
#21907113 - 07/06/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Man, now I'm going to be gone for a couple days while my fun little guys suffocate I feel bad
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Re: Will be gone 4th july weekend. Harvest early or late? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#21907777 - 07/06/15 11:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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i bet someone a 1000 dollars that he couldnt get a hydroponic shroom he still wont pay
Be careful making that bet, some people have grown hydroponic mushrooms using an inert medium floating in a deep-water-culture system with LC as a nutrient solution and a humidity dome attached to the top to help control FAE.
I cant speak from personal experience but it does seem like something that can easily be accomplished through LC supplementation of inert media. How many people have hericium fruit on agar? 
Heres a tek on one:
http://chemistry.mdma.ch/hiveboard/tryptamine/000279461.html
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Re: Will be gone 4th july weekend. Harvest early or late? [Re: Toadstool5]
#21911709 - 07/07/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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makes sense
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