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Alcohol gateway drug to coke/speed?
    #21888401 - 07/02/15 03:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

First time I did coke I was drunk ,almost everyone i know the first time they took coke they were drunk . the only time i crave coke or speed  is when im drunk , almost everyone i know who do coke or speed , crave coke or speed when they drunk.

i know some old dudes having a familly and stuff they are great dads but sometimes they go to the local bar drink a couple beer then finally crave coke spend shit load of money. after a while they know its taking alot of money and its not good for their familly , but once they drink they dont care anymore.

Toronto Mayor Rob Ford said it was because he was in a drunken stupor that he smoked crack lolz

I know im relying dots but i think its pretty obvious driking alcohol makes you like coke and stims .

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Re: Alcohol gateway drug to coke/speed? [Re: Jean-guy Masta] * 1
    #21888418 - 07/02/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

that isnt the case for me. i prefer benzos with my cocaine and speed.


i think drinking just lowers your inhibitions. whether it uninhibited you from having sex, driving fast, doing coke, or heroin, it doesnt really matter.


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Re: Alcohol gateway drug to coke/speed? [Re: Adolin]
    #21888427 - 07/02/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i will add that i think stimulants are way more enjoyable overall when mixed with a mild downer. they give me anxiety


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Re: Alcohol gateway drug to coke/speed? [Re: Jean-guy Masta] * 3
    #21888487 - 07/02/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I don't buy into the idea of a "gateway drug" It was all propaganda for pot. I've never done coke, but I've been drunk plenty of times. It all comes down to personal choices IMO.


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Re: Alcohol gateway drug to coke/speed? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #21888525 - 07/02/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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4HO-DMT said:
It all comes down to personal choices IMO.




:whathesaid: well put


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Re: Alcohol gateway drug to coke/speed? [Re: Jean-guy Masta]
    #21888612 - 07/02/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Gateway not so much. Your just in the mind set to make poor choices easily because you don't think about it very well and consequences can seem minimal while drhnk.

That beingnsaid tons of people drink and don't do stimulants but people thare likely to do coke and speed are likely to drink, its another drug and it helps with the comedowns as well as smoothing out the high and it makes cocaethylene in the stomach which is more euphoric and carsiotoxic.

Cocaine and alcohol are just drugs that go hand in hand really.


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Re: Alcohol gateway drug to coke/speed? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #21888616 - 07/02/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Gresh said:
i will add that i think stimulants are way more enjoyable overall when mixed with a mild downer. they give me anxiety




alot of people including me thinks coke and speed helps them with their anxiety for my part its giving me alot of self confidance.

since my 3 years of stims binge it changed alot my brain reaction to it tho , i do now get alot of axiety from it and the self confidance doest compensate it that much anymore, i dont want to touch benzos so my stim carrer is kinda over for me :sad:

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I don't buy into the idea of a "gateway drug" It was all propaganda for pot. I've never done coke, but I've been drunk plenty of times. It all comes down to personal choices IMO.




yea ok maybe not a gateway drug , maybe i should change the title .

my point is Alcohol do have something to do with coke addiction , it has to. i see so many example all the time  :peyotezen:


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Re: Alcohol gateway drug to coke/speed? [Re: Everything]
    #21888620 - 07/02/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Everything said:
Gateway not so much. Your just in the mind set to make poor choices easily because you don't think about it very well and consequences can seem minimal while drhnk.

That beingnsaid tons of people drink and don't do stimulants but people thare likely to do coke and speed are likely to drink, its another drug and it helps with the comedowns as well as smoothing out the high and it makes cocaethylene in the stomach which is more euphoric and carsiotoxic.

Cocaine and alcohol are just drugs that go hand in hand really.




yeaa thats a good explanation i gotta admit


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Re: Alcohol gateway drug to coke/speed? [Re: Jean-guy Masta]
    #21889038 - 07/02/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Alcohol just makes me not give a fuck


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Re: Alcohol gateway drug to coke/speed? [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #21889386 - 07/02/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Alcohol was the gateway drug for every drug I've ever done. And that's pretty much all of them. Besides some rcs but I've dabbled pretty deeply into those as well at one point.


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Re: Alcohol gateway drug to coke/speed? [Re: Enjoywho]
    #21889441 - 07/02/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Alcohol for most people is not a gateway drug. Weed is more of a gateway drug because it is illegal in most places and if you are willing to break the law to do one drug you are more probable to try another illicit drug. It is what it is and it  has to do with it being illegal.


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Re: Alcohol gateway drug to coke/speed? [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 1
    #21889446 - 07/02/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ya because I was totally drinking alcohol legally at 14.


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Re: Alcohol gateway drug to coke/speed? [Re: Enjoywho]
    #21889454 - 07/02/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If anything was a gateway drug for me it was tobacco

A cigarette was my first true drug experience

And I can still remember how euphoric and weightless it made me feel


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Re: Alcohol gateway drug to coke/speed? [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #21889484 - 07/02/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If anything was a gateway drug for me it was tobacco

A cigarette was my first true drug experience

And I can still remember how euphoric and weightless it made me feel




Weed is a gateway drug because it is the first illegal drug most people try. They do it and think, "hey this is not so bad maybe mushrooms wouldn't be dangerous". Then the user moves on to something like molly and all the way to coke and opiates.

Alcohol and cigarettes are not gateway. They are completely separate from illegal from hard illegal drugs that people get into. They are not related at all because one is socially acceptable and bought in stores and the other drugs you have to go through dealers who are involved with other drugs. Most people smoke cigs and drink and never move on. Once you get into the illicit market and are willing to risk your freedom for smoking weed you are more susceptible to trying something else since the weed was not so bad.


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Re: Alcohol gateway drug to coke/speed? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21889634 - 07/02/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Everything you just said is basically an opinion


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Re: Alcohol gateway drug to coke/speed? [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #21889702 - 07/02/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

lmfao gateway drug my butt..What is this a d.a.r.e thread  :derp:  :derpyum:


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Re: Alcohol gateway drug to coke/speed? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #21889703 - 07/02/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't buy into the idea of a "gateway drug" It was all propaganda for pot...



"Gateway" drugs, lol.:foreheadslap:
Some people are just more inclined to become addicts.
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Re: Alcohol gateway drug to coke/speed? [Re: vinsue]
    #21889756 - 07/02/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well my theory is that your told from the get-go that weed is the devil. Then when you try weed you think this isn't bad at all what are they talking about? Then you are more inclined to think the same way for other drugs. Not saying it's solid because most people I know just smoke weed but I've seen that happen to so many people.

Alcohol just lowers your reasoning levels and then you become retarded and decide to buy coke. My coke head friend always does this shit. It was at the point he would not be able to get drunk without cocaine. It got really fucking annoying hearing him shout I need coke. cocaine. coke..


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Re: Alcohol gateway drug to coke/speed? [Re: Gorlax]
    #21890008 - 07/02/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i was prescribed pharmaceuticals as a kid... Big pharma has to be the #1 producer of gateway drugs.


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Re: Alcohol gateway drug to coke/speed? [Re: 404]
    #21890011 - 07/02/15 08:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

"gateway drugs"


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Re: Alcohol gateway drug to coke/speed? [Re: Jean-guy Masta]
    #21890534 - 07/02/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I crave a lot of things when I'm drunk... I agree with Gresh, just lowers your inhibitions and you cave more easily to cravings or urges..

And like you said, if everyone's drunk when they do coke then you can start to associate the two and then when you get drunk you want the other to add to it and with your lowered inhibitions you end up doing it.


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Re: Alcohol gateway drug to coke/speed? [Re: A Day InThe Life]
    #21890626 - 07/02/15 11:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Breast milk / Formula is the only gateway drug.

We all started as babies gettin' "milk drunk" and now we're all scumbag hippies.

The gateway drug argument is stupid as fuck.


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Re: Alcohol gateway drug to coke/speed? [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21895236 - 07/04/15 12:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Cocaine plays a complex and not fully understood role in many people's poly drug addiction. Sad thing there are many people who think they can quit coke and just drink beer, that might be the worst thing you could do. But NarcAnon doesn't support common sense replacement. No one ever tells these people to quit booze and coke and just smoke weed, but that is what they should do.
I know a reformed crack head who gets drunk and starts talking about crack and his friends need to wrestle away his car keys and bank card so he can't fall of the wagon. It kind of sucks actually. 
Gateway drug is the wrong term, but alcohol plays central role in many people's coke abuse.


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Re: Alcohol gateway drug to coke/speed? [Re: my3rdeye]
    #21895380 - 07/04/15 02:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Wow, I feel like to really get over an addiction you have to learn you can't use the substance again, its just not a part of your life anymore.... seems like that dude you're talking about hasn't figured that out yet. Really lucky he's off the shit.


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