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Re: Here is the WHY of rectal administration of Psilocybin [Re: jesuisravi]
    #21891424 - 07/03/15 06:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

My take on this is simple and practical.  If you can eat whole or encapsulated mushrooms without gastric distress, you're good to go.  If not, your next step should be lemon tek/tea.  If that STILL leaves you with nausea and/or vomiting, or is so repulsive to you because of taste, then and only then would your situation suggest that an oral-equivalent dosage should be attempted via enema.

For the record, rectal administration of medications is a tried and true, legitimate method of introducing drugs into humans.  In patient's who (for example) have had oral esophageal, or gastric surgery and who require medications which cannot be delivered intravenously, rectal administration is often the ROI chosen.

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Re: Here is the WHY of rectal administration of Psilocibin [Re: s240779]
    #21891429 - 07/03/15 06:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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And not only can you possibly skip the nausea with anal administration, it may just be all around better for your health.




Oh, please, mushrooms aren't toxic. And anything that hits the bloodstream hits the liver. Plugging/injecting does not bypass the liver.


Also, the last time I did mushrooms I blended them up thoroughly with cacao and orange juice and I experienced zero nausea. Nausea was one negative that wasn't present because I quickly slipped into a sinister trip. Total lack of nausea or any other kind of body load, but it was a bad trip.




Don't kid yourself, anything that is so hard to digest that many who eat it get nauseous to the point of violently vomiting is plenty toxic.


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Re: Here is the WHY of rectal administration of Psilocibin [Re: jesuisravi]
    #21891444 - 07/03/15 06:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It is stated in 'The Psychedelic Experience' that isolated psilocybin rarely causes nausea. (Other reports corroborate that book's other claim that the nausea is psychological in origin.) This is a unique finding because only they had access to isolated psilocybin; we only have access to mushrooms.


Mild nausea occurs often with the ingestion of morning-glory seeds or peyote, rarely with mescaline and infrequently with LSD or psilocybin.

Nausea may sometimes occur. Usually this is a mental symptom, indicating fear, and should be regarded as such. Sometimes, however, particularly with the use of morning-glory seeds and peyote, the nausea can have a physiological cause.


The Psychedelic Experience. Leary, Alpert, and Metzner. 1964.


Charles Savage was convinced—this the first real argument I had with him—that mescaline was an emetic. I said, "No, it's not an emetic. It's just that people get into things that make them sick. But if the experience is conducted right, that can be avoided and those things resolved without their throwing up." Well, he didn't agree with me, but I don't think we ever had a person throw up, in all our foundation's work.

Myron Stolaroff. Higher Wisdom: Eminent Elders Explore the Continuing Impact of Psychedelics. 2005. p. 57.


In a total of 42 treatments, vomiting was experienced three times.

Forrer M.D., Gordon R. Richard D. Goldner, M.D. Experimental Physiological Studies with Lysergic Acid Diethylamide (LSD-25). AMA Archives of Neurology & Psychiatry. 1951, 65(5):581-588. doi:10.1001/archneurpsyc.1951.02320050038004. DOWNLOAD See pg. 583.


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Re: Here is the WHY of rectal administration of Psilocibin [Re: jesuisravi]
    #21891451 - 07/03/15 06:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I know people who get nauseous because of the taste of mushrooms and the thought that they grow in manure.

With extracts they don't experience any nausea.


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Re: Here is the WHY of rectal administration of Psilocibin [Re: sudly]
    #21891459 - 07/03/15 06:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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With extracts they don't experience any nausea.




And extracts contain all the chemicals contained in mushrooms, so that proves that mushrooms are just as nontoxic as pure psilocybin and that the only reason whole mushrooms are more nauseating is because of the chitin irritating the stomach and/or taste and/or being disgusted by the fact that the mushroom may have fruited from dung.


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Re: Here is the WHY of rectal administration of Psilocibin [Re: s240779]
    #21891467 - 07/03/15 06:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I believe the nausea is psychological.

After an accumulated 40-50 doses of psilocybin cubensis I have never once thrown up, not even after eating almost 90g wet. I know people who have thrown up on 2g dry.

Personally I know what i'm doing, I know what I'm ingesting and I know what to expect with taste and effect.


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Re: Here is the WHY of rectal administration of Psilocibin [Re: sudly]
    #21891472 - 07/03/15 06:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Excellent data.


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Re: Here is the WHY of rectal administration of Psilocibin [Re: sudly]
    #21891746 - 07/03/15 08:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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sudly said:
I believe the nausea is psychological.

After an accumulated 40-50 doses of psilocybin cubensis I have never once thrown up, not even after eating almost 90g wet. I know people who have thrown up on 2g dry.

Personally I know what i'm doing, I know what I'm ingesting and I know what to expect with taste and effect.




Good. Go for it.


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almost nothing important that ever happens to you happens because you engineer it. Destiny has no beeper; destiny always leans trenchcoated out of an alley with some sort of 'psst' that you usually can't even hear because you're in such a rush to or from something important you've tried to engineer. ”
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Re: Here is the WHY of rectal administration of Psilocibin [Re: s240779]
    #21891762 - 07/03/15 08:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Da2ra said:
It is stated in 'The Psychedelic Experience' that isolated psilocybin rarely causes nausea. (Other reports corroborate that book's other claim that the nausea is psychological in origin.) This is a unique finding because only they had access to isolated psilocybin; we only have access to mushrooms.


Mild nausea occurs often with the ingestion of morning-glory seeds or peyote, rarely with mescaline and infrequently with LSD or psilocybin.

Nausea may sometimes occur. Usually this is a mental symptom, indicating fear, and should be regarded as such. Sometimes, however, particularly with the use of morning-glory seeds and peyote, the nausea can have a physiological cause.


The Psychedelic Experience. Leary, Alpert, and Metzner. 1964.


Charles Savage was convinced—this the first real argument I had with him—that mescaline was an emetic. I said, "No, it's not an emetic. It's just that people get into things that make them sick. But if the experience is conducted right, that can be avoided and those things resolved without their throwing up." Well, he didn't agree with me, but I don't think we ever had a person throw up, in all our foundation's work.

Myron Stolaroff. Higher Wisdom: Eminent Elders Explore the Continuing Impact of Psychedelics. 2005. p. 57.


In a total of 42 treatments, vomiting was experienced three times.

Forrer M.D., Gordon R. Richard D. Goldner, M.D. Experimental Physiological Studies with Lysergic Acid Diethylamide (LSD-25). AMA Archives of Neurology & Psychiatry. 1951, 65(5):581-588. doi:10.1001/archneurpsyc.1951.02320050038004. DOWNLOAD See pg. 583.




Really, I don't need anyone to tell me what my body wants to do when it ingests--or trys to--certain substances or teas therefrom prepared. But, hey, do what you want to. You will anyway.

By the way, I am grageful for the intelligent reply quoted above. So much better than the "Penis Envy" idiot/trolls that this topic usually attracts.


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almost nothing important that ever happens to you happens because you engineer it. Destiny has no beeper; destiny always leans trenchcoated out of an alley with some sort of 'psst' that you usually can't even hear because you're in such a rush to or from something important you've tried to engineer. ”
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Re: Here is the WHY of rectal administration of Psilocibin [Re: s240779]
    #21891775 - 07/03/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Da2ra said:
Quote:

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With extracts they don't experience any nausea.




And extracts contain all the chemicals contained in mushrooms, so that proves that mushrooms are just as nontoxic as pure psilocybin and that the only reason whole mushrooms are more nauseating is because of the chitin irritating the stomach and/or taste and/or being disgusted by the fact that the mushroom may have fruited from dung.




Yes, dirty extracts done in kitchens and basements do contain all or many of the chemicals that straight mushrooms contain. But more patience and more sophisticated methods yield purer substances.Anyway, even pure psilocybin, because of its 5 HTP antagonism, has the potential to nauseate. To what extent? Don't know. I do know I'd be glad to swap mushroom tea for some pure psilocybin any time.


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almost nothing important that ever happens to you happens because you engineer it. Destiny has no beeper; destiny always leans trenchcoated out of an alley with some sort of 'psst' that you usually can't even hear because you're in such a rush to or from something important you've tried to engineer. ”
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Re: Here is the WHY of rectal administration of Psilocibin [Re: jesuisravi]
    #21891784 - 07/03/15 08:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If it was as cut and dry as '5HT2A agonism causes nausea' then everyone would get nauseous 100% of the time. But it's not that cut and dry; it's more complex than that, just like the Stolaroff and 'Psychedelic Experience' quotes convey.


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Re: Here is the WHY of rectal administration of Psilocibin [Re: jesuisravi]
    #21891800 - 07/03/15 09:00 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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By the way, I am grageful for the intelligent reply quoted above. So much better than the "Penis Envy" idiot/trolls that this topic usually attracts.




Just saw this. You're welcome and thank you.


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Re: Here is the WHY of rectal administration of Psilocybin [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21891907 - 07/03/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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My take on this is simple and practical.  If you can eat whole or encapsulated mushrooms without gastric distress, you're good to go.  If not, your next step should be lemon tek/tea.  If that STILL leaves you with nausea and/or vomiting, or is so repulsive to you because of taste, then and only then would your situation suggest that an oral-equivalent dosage should be attempted via enema.

For the record, rectal administration of medications is a tried and true, legitimate method of introducing drugs into humans.  In patient's who (for example) have had oral esophageal, or gastric surgery and who require medications which cannot be delivered intravenously, rectal administration is often the ROI chosen.

N.B.




Agreed. Whatever floats your boat. I don't really believe that the human speices is a single species--we are each so different that within this species are 7 billion other species that for convenience sake we group together as one species because they all have 1 head, 4 limbs and 20 digits.
For one tea is terrific. He has absolutely no problems when he does tea. For another, like Terence Mckenna, straight mushroom flesh is the way to go.This type can gobble down 40 grams like nothing. For a third, who finds tea disgusting and actual mushroom tissue absolutely and immediately emetic, rectal is the royal way.


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almost nothing important that ever happens to you happens because you engineer it. Destiny has no beeper; destiny always leans trenchcoated out of an alley with some sort of 'psst' that you usually can't even hear because you're in such a rush to or from something important you've tried to engineer. ”
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Re: Here is the WHY of rectal administration of Psilocibin [Re: s240779]
    #21891912 - 07/03/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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If it was as cut and dry as '5HT2A agonism causes nausea' then everyone would get nauseous 100% of the time. But it's not that cut and dry; it's more complex than that, just like the Stolaroff and 'Psychedelic Experience' quotes convey.




Exactly.


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almost nothing important that ever happens to you happens because you engineer it. Destiny has no beeper; destiny always leans trenchcoated out of an alley with some sort of 'psst' that you usually can't even hear because you're in such a rush to or from something important you've tried to engineer. ”
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Re: Here is the WHY of rectal administration of Psilocibin [Re: searching]
    #23358035 - 06/18/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Hey guys I know this thread is old but I was wondering if someone could help me out with some questions for shroom tea .

I wanted to know what was an accurate estimate of fresh cubes in a tea for a level 5 trip ?

How many hour would it last ?

Thanks a lot for your time guys .


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Re: Here is the WHY of rectal administration of Psilocibin [Re: som776]
    #23358920 - 06/18/16 06:38 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Do a search for the mushroom dosage calculator


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Re: Here is the WHY of rectal administration of Psilocibin [Re: Bardy]
    #23359773 - 06/19/16 02:44 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Unless youre planning a tea-enema, you just picked the wrong one out of thousands of dosage threads.


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Re: Here is the WHY of rectal administration of Psilocibin [Re: thoraxx]
    #23360174 - 06/19/16 08:38 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

necro-recto threading


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Re: Here is the WHY of rectal administration of Psilocybin [Re: Drone]
    #23361243 - 06/19/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I don't know about anyone else, but I think shoving psilocybin up my ass would bring on a bad trip/headspace


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Re: Here is the WHY of rectal administration of Psilocibin [Re: Jean-guy Masta]
    #23362266 - 06/19/16 10:36 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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So can someone give us the real answer ? Is there toxins into cubes ?




No there is no toxins and mushrooms are not a poison at all. The reason they cause nausea is from the skin of the mushroom itself being hard to digest but that's only natures way of keeping you from overdosing on them or eating them simply because you can. Think about it; it's a drug that you eat therefore there has to be something put in place to keep you (or some animal) from eating too many.


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