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Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation
    #21886131 - 07/02/15 02:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation



West Linn police displayed drugs and cash seized after a June 2014 traffic stop that resulted in charges against Marin Vesley and Gordon Cady. (West Linn Police Department)

By Steve Mayes | The Oregonian/OregonLive
on July 01, 2015 at 4:00 PM



Marin Kathryn Vesley


An 18-year-old high school honor student who got caught with meth, ecstasy and a large quantity of hallucinogenic mushrooms during a West Linn traffic stop was sentenced Tuesday to three years on probation.

Marin Kathryn Vesley of Laguna Niguel, Calif., and Gordon Filemu Cady of Portland were arrested June 17, 2014.

Police found 1.5 pounds of psilocybin mushrooms -- known as magic mushrooms -- and 67 capsules that contained meth or ecstasy – also called MDMA. Police also seized more than $1,600 in cash believed to be the proceeds from drug-trafficking.

Vesley was carrying some of the drugs in her purse when she was arrested, said Clackamas County prosecutor Stacey Borgman.

Vesley pleaded guilty to attempted delivery of meth, a felony. Several other felony drug charges were dismissed as part of a plea deal.

Since her arrest, Vesley got a job, began drug treatment and attended school in New York, her mother told Circuit Judge Jeffrey Jones.

The mother said Vesley graduated from high school early and when she turned 18 she came to Portland on her own. That's where she met Cady.

Vesley, now 19, was a straight A student who took calculus and advanced music classes in high school, took a leadership role at school and had done extensive community volunteer work, her mother said. "She's a model student and citizen," her mother said.

Vesley said she will start classes in the fall at Pacific Northwest College of Art in Portland. "I want to follow my dream," she said.

"You've done all the right things. You're very talented," Jones told Vesley.

Cady, 29, goes to trial on drug charges on Aug. 6.

-- Steve Mayes


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: motaman]
    #21886318 - 07/02/15 04:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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meth or ectasy, also know as MDMA




Are they refferring to meth also being ectasy or did they mean meth and ectasy?


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Mental Taco] * 1
    #21886400 - 07/02/15 05:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Was probly some caffiene pills and cops were like: yup thats the shit, yup thats some uhh....what do ya call it...METH. JAIL. METH. JAIL. ECSTACY. PRISON. NOW


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: MajickMuffin] * 2
    #21886555 - 07/02/15 06:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

She snitched big time dude. No way you get away from those charges without being a fucking pussy rat


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21886905 - 07/02/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Are they referring to meth also being ectasy or did they mean meth and ectasy?




Come on, really?

MD...MA

I wonder what the MA stands for? :wink:

The did her a favor and charged her with a schedule 2 (Meth) substance rather than a schedule 1 (MDMA).

Idk if she snitched, if you have mental health issues and are exceptionally skilled at academic tests they will be biased. I got a diploma after 3.5 years instead of 4 and they never suspended me even knowing i had a cocaine habit at 16. My not-so-bright friends would get suspended if not expelled for something as simple as a small amount of cannabis.


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Toadstool5]
    #21887106 - 07/02/15 09:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah...... Meth and mdma are two different substances. 

Just cuz MDMA has the MA in it does not make it meth...... Or even contain meth....

Anyways id hit it. Smart and has good drugs ++.


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21887315 - 07/02/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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She snitched big time dude. No way you get away from those charges without being a fucking pussy rat




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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: azur]
    #21887455 - 07/02/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's actually possible.  I got arrestedwith 1 gram 4-ho-mipt few oz mushies, and DMT, with nothing more than probation.  Only about 30 min from this too.


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: azur]
    #21887468 - 07/02/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Just cuz MDMA has the MA in it does not make it meth...... Or even contain meth....




Yeah it does. The meth laws in the US specify ANY substituted or racemic version of meth is meth. Ergo the methylenedioxy analogue is prosecutable as meth OR as amphetamine OR as MDMA possession/intent/manufacturing.

You dont say methamphetamine isnt an amphetamine because its substituted :rofl:

If you cleave off the oxygens and methyl group it is meth, pure and simple. Plus the extra charges for meth or amphetamines gives the local DA better options in how they wish to pursue the case. They can now continue with either a schedule 1 or 2 charge depending on mercy and it protects their case more if it turns out the pills are actually meth and not methylenedioxidized meth once they are analyzed.

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She snitched big time dude. No way you get away from those charges without being a fucking pussy rat




I beg to differ. Anyone remember Reagan getting caught selling ICBMs to Iran? He didn't snitch, Oliver North snitched an his ass is the one that went down for it and the contras escapade.


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: AZrooj]
    #21887474 - 07/02/15 11:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That's much less than this girl had. We'll know when her codefendant gets 3 years too. But in jail, not probation


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: azur]
    #21887500 - 07/02/15 11:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Her codefendent was 29, he cant say he was a young straight-A student that got mixed up with the wrong crowd. His parents aslo didnt drop thousands on a lawyer.

If she was 17 he would be even more screwed over. Hes lucky it wasnt worse.


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21887662 - 07/02/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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meth or ectasy, also know as MDMA




Are they refferring to meth also being ectasy or did they mean meth and ectasy?



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Come on, really?

MD...MA

I wonder what the MA stands for? :wink:

The did her a favor and charged her with a schedule 2 (Meth) substance rather than a schedule 1 (MDMA).





I actually think it is messed up they said it was meth.... It is like they are reinforcing the stereotype of the tweaker to study all night. I bet it is mainly MDMA with very little meth if any. The way the article says meth and mushrooms was found without a mention of ecstasy in the title is just beyond fucked up.


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She snitched big time dude. No way you get away from those charges without being a fucking pussy rat





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Idk if she snitched, if you have mental health issues and are exceptionally skilled at academic tests they will be biased. I got a diploma after 3.5 years instead of 4 and they never suspended me even knowing i had a cocaine habit at 16. My not-so-bright friends would get suspended if not expelled for something as simple as a small amount of cannabis.




This. If she snitched I doubt articles like this would be written. She could have used the excuse of stress , financial struggle, and just every excuse in the book to get off without too much happening to her. She probably accepted going to a drug program for a lot long than if not cooperating. It could be a situation where the police wanted to bust a white person as a way to fix their image as evidence that they do not just bust minorities. My mom told me this would happen with smoking pot, but the idea is laughable. In this situation it seems very likely.


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Mental Taco]
    #21887885 - 07/02/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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meth or ectasy, also know as MDMA




Are they refferring to meth also being ectasy or did they mean meth and ectasy?



I doubt that they even know :lol:


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21888140 - 07/02/15 02:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I actually think it is messed up they said it was meth.... It is like they are reinforcing the stereotype of the tweaker to study all night. I bet it is mainly MDMA with very little meth if any.




Methylenedioxymethamphetamine is a substituted methamphetamine!!!! :mmmkay:

Just because everyone takes it orally and it comes with cool colors and insigmias aimed at alluring 16 year olds doesnt mean it isnt crank. Now i see why the analogue act is so fucked up.

Whats next? Adderall isn't meth either? :facepalm:


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Toadstool5] * 1
    #21888251 - 07/02/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I actually think it is messed up they said it was meth.... It is like they are reinforcing the stereotype of the tweaker to study all night. I bet it is mainly MDMA with very little meth if any.




Methylenedioxymethamphetamine is a substituted methamphetamine!!!! :mmmkay:

Just because everyone takes it orally and it comes with cool colors and insigmias aimed at alluring 16 year olds doesnt mean it isnt crank. Now i see why the analogue act is so fucked up.

Whats next? Adderall isn't meth either? :facepalm:




Adderall = Amphetamie =/= Methamphetamine

MDMA =/= Methamphetamine

Sure, MDMA is an analog of methamphetamine, and methamphetamine is an analog of amphetamine, but they do not have the same effects. Getting charged with Meth instead of MDMA would actually come out better for her, though... Also, MDMA is definitely NOT crank.


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: PsYcHoDoUgHbOy]
    #21888277 - 07/02/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Adderall = Amphetamie =/= Methamphetamine




Adderall is a 50/50 mixture of methylated amphetamine salts and amphetamine salts. It is essentially half-cooked meth.

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Sure, MDMA is an analog of methamphetamine, and methamphetamine is an analog of amphetamine, but they do not have the same effects. Getting charged with Meth instead of MDMA would actually come out better for her, though... Also, MDMA is definitely NOT crank.




Subjectively MDMA is not meth but scientically it is methamphetamine. Ask any chemist if mdma is meth and they will laugh and say "duh!".

Thats like saying Brown rice isnt rice! It tastes differently :rofl:

Mdma is made in ghetto make-shift labs and is a stimulant, what do you consider crank?


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Toadstool5]
    #21888314 - 07/02/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You guys are all smoking crack.

No, mdma is not meth. Adderall is not meth. Maybe through some dumb legal loophole they can prosecute you for meth if you get caught with mdma, but they are not the same. You mean to tell me if you bought Molly from someone and it turned out to be meth you'd be like "oh well fuck it, its the same thing anyway"?


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    #21888346 - 07/02/15 03:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Adderall = Amphetamie =/= Methamphetamine




Adderall is a 50/50 mixture of methylated amphetamine salts and amphetamine salts. It is essentially half-cooked meth.

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Sure, MDMA is an analog of methamphetamine, and methamphetamine is an analog of amphetamine, but they do not have the same effects. Getting charged with Meth instead of MDMA would actually come out better for her, though... Also, MDMA is definitely NOT crank.




Subjectively MDMA is not meth but scientically it is methamphetamine. Ask any chemist if mdma is meth and they will laugh and say "duh!".

Thats like saying Brown rice isnt rice! It tastes differently :rofl:

Mdma is made in ghetto make-shift labs and is a stimulant, what do you consider crank?




Sorry but you're wrong. Adderall contains the dextro and levo isomers of amphetamine. Neither are methamphetamine. Similarly, meth can come in the levo or dextro isomers also.

And wtf does that even mean "mdma is scientifically meth"? No, methylenedioxymethamphetamine is not methamphetamine. Two different compounds, buddy.


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    #21888392 - 07/02/15 03:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You mean to tell me if you bought Molly from someone and it turned out to be meth you'd be like "oh well fuck it, its the same thing anyway"?




With the notorious impurities in MDMA and the availability of safrole oil, yeah. I would simply be glad it wasnt MDA or MDE.

Whats the most common MDMA adulterant? Meth, because who will honestly care?

I looked up adderall and they have changed the formula to dextroamphetamine instead of the infamous desoxyn so i stand corrected on that but I am done arguing the difference of MDMA vs MA because of a subjective high.

It has an amphetamine backbone and is methylated into a secondary amine. Like how is that not a methamphetamine?


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Toadstool5] * 1
    #21888499 - 07/02/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Adderall = Amphetamie =/= Methamphetamine




Adderall is a 50/50 mixture of methylated amphetamine salts and amphetamine salts. It is essentially half-cooked meth.

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Sure, MDMA is an analog of methamphetamine, and methamphetamine is an analog of amphetamine, but they do not have the same effects. Getting charged with Meth instead of MDMA would actually come out better for her, though... Also, MDMA is definitely NOT crank.




Subjectively MDMA is not meth but scientically it is methamphetamine. Ask any chemist if mdma is meth and they will laugh and say "duh!".

Thats like saying Brown rice isnt rice! It tastes differently :rofl:

Mdma is made in ghetto make-shift labs and is a stimulant, what do you consider crank?



did you really just say that scientifically speaking, two different compounds are the same? :canthelpbutlaugh:

You obviously don't know what you're talking about very well. MDMA, from what I have read, is not made in ghetto labs, as it is more complex than making meth.


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21888592 - 07/02/15 03:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

There was a man that was caught making it with shampoo, compared to a real lab with fume hoods and not hudreds of 5gal buckets, yeah ghetto.

Explain the nomenclature then genious.

If its not a methamphetamine then why is it named as such?


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Toadstool5]
    #21888643 - 07/02/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Don't need to explain. Maybe you could try to explain how these are identical?

http://www.users.humboldt.edu/jmmorgan/images/mamp1_s05.jpg

https://drugs-forum.com/photopost/data/500/mdmaalone.png

Not trying to start an angry argument, you were just saying some questionable shit.

Shampoo you say? I'm skeptical but interested.


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    #21888975 - 07/02/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Same functional group (secondary amine) attaches to the receptors the only difference is mdma is slightly longer and less soluble so it effects the same receptors but on a different magnitude. Thats the main difference between amphetamines and methamphetamines, the functional group responsible for bioactivity is different. In essence amphetamines are more different from meth than mdma is.

Even that difference between the functional group that attaches (primary vs secondary) doesnt make much of a difference on the brain, they dont have two separate conditions in the medical field, its all amphetamine psychosis.

Certain shampoos have weird but useful  methylether-R chemicals in them. Erowids rhodium chemistry faults have info on it. Indole from essential oils to a weird analogue of methamphetamine then the shampoo is purified (into a variety of precursors) and used to make a methyl ether if i remember correctly then you close the ring by adding a second ether bond between the third carbon and methyl group by oxidizing the methyl into an ethyl group.

Its as simple as starting with the right precursor or making meth with an appendage at the forth carbon that allows you to methyl ether it and finally ether it again.

I believe it can also be done with methcathinone. Its a common analogue of drugs but they still retain their original backbone and typically their generalized mechanism of psychoactivity on our brains.

Thats why there is no distinction between the courts. With the controlled analogue clearing up ambiguities the different classes of chemicals are one in the same.  I believe mdma is prosecuted harder solely because of the fact that you had to normally kill an endangered tree and internationally traffic it to get it here. Obviously with chemistry we now try to transition to indole synthesis but even today most of it is made from safrole. Hence, the courts decision. Same drug but no accepted medical value and a complication over sourcing and its negative effects on the international communty.


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    #21889016 - 07/02/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You mean to tell me if you bought Molly from someone and it turned out to be meth you'd be like "oh well fuck it, its the same thing anyway"?




With the notorious impurities in MDMA and the availability of safrole oil, yeah. I would simply be glad it wasnt MDA or MDE.

Whats the most common MDMA adulterant? Meth, because who will honestly care?

I looked up adderall and they have changed the formula to dextroamphetamine instead of the infamous desoxyn so i stand corrected on that but I am done arguing the difference of MDMA vs MA because of a subjective high.

It has an amphetamine backbone and is methylated into a secondary amine. Like how is that not a methamphetamine?



I would be pissed to get MDMA instead of meth. MDMA is an empathetic feeling while meth is selfish. No no no no no no no. Seriously your arguments are not proper at all. Just because something has a similar name does not mean that they are the same. Who's to say the names your using even represents anything? Do you know what methyl means? Do you know what dioxy is? Do you know what the difference in the mechanism of action for each compound and similarities?

If you did you would know you were wrong long before you decided to argue.


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Toadstool5]
    #21889025 - 07/02/15 04:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Same functional group (secondary amine) attaches to the receptors the only difference is mdma is slightly longer and less soluble so it effects the same receptors but on a different magnitude. Thats the main difference between amphetamines and methamphetamines, the functional group responsible for bioactivity is different. In essence amphetamines are more different from meth than mdma is.

Even that difference between the functional group that attaches (primary vs secondary) doesnt make much of a difference on the brain, they dont have two separate conditions in the medical field, its all amphetamine psychosis.

Certain shampoos have weird but useful  methylether-R chemicals in them. Erowids rhodium chemistry faults have info on it. Indole from essential oils to a weird analogue of methamphetamine then the shampoo is purified (into a variety of precursors) and used to make a methyl ether if i remember correctly then you close the ring by adding a second ether bond between the third carbon and methyl group by oxidizing the methyl into an ethyl group.

Its as simple as starting with the right precursor or making meth with an appendage at the forth carbon that allows you to methyl ether it and finally ether it again.

I believe it can also be done with methcathinone. Its a common analogue of drugs but they still retain their original backbone and typically their generalized mechanism of psychoactivity on our brains.



sounds to me like we merely got lost in semantics earlier

Thanks for that. didn't know just how similar the two were

Also didn't realize I was talking to a chemistry buff :hatsoff:


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    #21889041 - 07/02/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have a lot of experience in a real lab. Trust me i know what a methyl group is (CH3) and a dioxy in this case refers to the double ether bond of the extra ethyl group on the carbon ring.

If you undrstood pharmodynamics and chemical nomenclature you would know you are arguing against data with subjective bioassays. People react differently to drugs in each individual case, doesnt mean its a different drug.


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Toadstool5]
    #21889053 - 07/02/15 04:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Thanks for that. didn't know just how similar the two were




Its cool man i just get so frustrated because i hate that people dont fully understand how dangerous mdma is.

I really dont condone drug laws but i simply cant condone saying the two are different. Most people imply a larger difference which leads to a misconception that mdma is safer.


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21889055 - 07/02/15 04:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

All's good.... I just read through the rest and you do have knowledge, but c'mon the new thing is PMK oil.... That's why there is so much good MDMA out again.

I can see why you would think meth might be in the MDMA structure and it somewhat is, but it is just much smaller and lacking a lot of balance that MDMA has. It is much different than the similarity in DMT and 4-ACO-DMT where it is just DMT with a tiny attachment on it. Meth needs to have nitrogen, carbon, and hydrogen to bound very specifically as well as an extra (I think carbon or oxygen really I don't know) ring to make it into mdma.

It is easy to get things mixed up in chemistry... It is complex

Edit: I get your point as many people don't respect the dangers of cannabis and instead create more value out of it than there is making it hard for real medical patients to utilize it properly as the medical industry is heavily tailored to recreational use many times not even respecting medical use as far as the risks of overdosing and dependency let alone unflushed buds and what not. It leads to many doctors here not respecting medical cannabis patients and allowing them to use that as a red flag for pain management and so on.


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Toadstool5]
    #21889056 - 07/02/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Are we all just dumb or did you use a confusing phrasing at some point toadstool?

either way, he knows more than you tacodude.


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21889069 - 07/02/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Blazer... I never said he didn't have knowledge. I just pointed out that if he knew anything about what he was arguing about he would not be making this argument. Some may assume I insinuated he knew nothing with questioning what he did know, but I was curious how much he actually knew about what he was arguing. Many do while pulling shit straight from their ass knowing it without stating so.... At least I state I am usually pulling everything straight from my ass.


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21889085 - 07/02/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I thought the same way too before i worked in applied organic materials. I realized and discussed with my mentor that these chemicals are like keys. One side is essential to which doors it opens, the other side (typically the carbon ring) is like the handle. It makes it easier to use the key but it still only has the ability to unlock the same doors. I might also add that he explained it to me like this and he was a triple Ph.D in organics.

I have a hard time explaining it and its so burnt into our heads as young guys that mdma is different that we actually start to believe it.

The difference is insignificant when we look at it from an objective viewpoint, which is probably the hardest thing to do. The information is simple to comprehend but difficult to "see" for lack of a better verb.


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: tacodude]
    #21889141 - 07/02/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Blazer... I never said he didn't have knowledge. I just pointed out that if he knew anything about what he was arguing about he would not be making this argument. Some may assume I insinuated he knew nothing with questioning what he did know, but I was curious how much he actually knew about what he was arguing. Many do while pulling shit straight from their ass knowing it without stating so.... At least I state I am usually pulling everything straight from my ass.



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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Toadstool5]
    #21889180 - 07/02/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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PMK oil.... That's why there is so much good MDMA out again




And heavy metal poisoning from the amalgam not being purified enough. Where would you get ahold of MeAm aka methylamine. Nobody has that shit since the days of prope dope and nobodys going make it. You have to handle zinc, isocyanates, or formaldehyde and simply to do an amalgam instead of cooking from an indole? Fuck that :rofl: even the conversion rate would be horrible compared to indole. If it worked for alexander shulgin (RIP) then its probably the single best way to produce.


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21889194 - 07/02/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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rbalzer said:
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Blazer... I never said he didn't have knowledge. I just pointed out that if he knew anything about what he was arguing about he would not be making this argument. Some may assume I insinuated he knew nothing with questioning what he did know, but I was curious how much he actually knew about what he was arguing. Many do while pulling shit straight from their ass knowing it without stating so.... At least I state I am usually pulling everything straight from my ass.



ssshhh.

You make more of a fool of yourself with every post. not trying to be a dick here.



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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Toadstool5]
    #21889206 - 07/02/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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PMK oil.... That's why there is so much good MDMA out again




And heavy metal poisoning from the amalgam not being purified enough. Where would you get ahold of MeAm aka methylamine. Nobody has that shit since the days of prope dope and nobodys going make it. You have to handle zinc, isocyanates, or formaldehyde and simply to do an amalgam instead of cooking from an indole? Fuck that :rofl: even the conversion rate would be horrible compared to indole. If it worked for alexander shulgin (RIP) then its probably the single best way to produce.



Depends on in safroil can be obtained without destroying the forest of trees that produce safroil. I do know it can be produced from other compounds, but I think there are more simple methods such as PMK.... Either way in the end MDMA is MDMA, If it tests 98%+ with the only impurities being possible extra HCL than whats the difference between that and MDMA from safroil? Impure batches are much different where many find impure safroil batches to be better than washed MDMA and I bet that MDMA synthed from MDA synthed from safroil would be just bomb bomb bomb. Really though I do not know as you can tell I pull this all from my ass :laugh:


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: tacodude]
    #21889212 - 07/02/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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rbalzer said:
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tacodude said:
Blazer... I never said he didn't have knowledge. I just pointed out that if he knew anything about what he was arguing about he would not be making this argument. Some may assume I insinuated he knew nothing with questioning what he did know, but I was curious how much he actually knew about what he was arguing. Many do while pulling shit straight from their ass knowing it without stating so.... At least I state I am usually pulling everything straight from my ass.



ssshhh.

You make more of a fool of yourself with every post. not trying to be a dick here.



You see though thing is I don't mind being a fool, but you mind being a dick :laugh: You're great though you got fritz the avatar.



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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21889282 - 07/02/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Using PMK requires using a mercury amalgam. If you arent amazingly good at purification you will kill someone. Most illegal labs dont even recrystallize let alone send it through a HPLC column.

Tests 98% in my wet dreams :rofl:

You arent buying ACS grade chemicals.

Just getting 98% hash oil is hard with hexane and ether column runs.

98% mdma from a natural precursor and reactions that offer 85% conversion at most is impossible unless you chromatography the hell out of it.


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Toadstool5]
    #21889312 - 07/02/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Besides, the only thing that i eat which is 2% mercury is canned dolphin, i mean tuna.
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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21889496 - 07/02/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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rbalzer said:
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tacodude said:
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rbalzer said:
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tacodude said:
Blazer... I never said he didn't have knowledge. I just pointed out that if he knew anything about what he was arguing about he would not be making this argument. Some may assume I insinuated he knew nothing with questioning what he did know, but I was curious how much he actually knew about what he was arguing. Many do while pulling shit straight from their ass knowing it without stating so.... At least I state I am usually pulling everything straight from my ass.



ssshhh.

You make more of a fool of yourself with every post. not trying to be a dick here.



You see though thing is I don't mind being a fool, but you mind being a dick :laugh: You're great though you got fritz the avatar.



you get :thumbup: for being light-hearted about it



Is there any other way to be? Having a heavy heart sounds like having a heart blocked with stress rather than a healthy heart that flows.

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Using PMK requires using a mercury amalgam. If you arent amazingly good at purification you will kill someone. Most illegal labs dont even recrystallize let alone send it through a HPLC column.

Tests 98% in my wet dreams :rofl:

You arent buying ACS grade chemicals.

Just getting 98% hash oil is hard with hexane and ether column runs.

98% mdma from a natural precursor and reactions that offer 85% conversion at most is impossible unless you chromatography the hell out of it.



Than why is there so much PMK oil based MDMA on the darknet without any of these issues you mention? Even if the impurities exist in doses of 100-200 mg with an unknown very low percentage of impurities. Probably not enough to cause the toxicity. Only if the MDMA is abused heavily. At least that's what I would think. I am not edumacated.


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: tacodude]
    #21889673 - 07/02/15 07:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Its mercury, acts slowly and discretely unless you are bathing in it. Either way im not going ingest a HgCl amalgam or some messed up catalyst like sodium borohydride. I'll tell you I told you so in 25 years when everyone starts going insane from synthesis byproducts and neurological toxicity :thumbup:

Besides PMK is an isosafrole created material, makes since that they use it instead of indole or piperonal, they are lazy. Do you trust a lazy person to clean something several times simply because it might hurt a stranger?

Desomorphine comes to mind :goodluck:


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    #21889922 - 07/02/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Besides, the only thing that i eat which is 2% mercury is canned dolphin, i mean tuna.
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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21890252 - 07/02/15 09:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This whole thread makes me want to choke on my vomit.


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    #21890290 - 07/02/15 09:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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This whole thread makes me want to choke on my vomit.




Maybe an antiemetic is in order? :bigblunt: :flyhigh:


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Toadstool5]
    #21890603 - 07/02/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Dextroamphetamine is a chemical name; desoxyn is a pharmaceutical name.

Just because a chemical contains the backbone of another doesn't mean there effects are the same or that one has multiple drugs in it. Biochemistry is more abstract. You're manipulating electron density throughout the binding site - changing the structure from meth to mdma can drastically alter which binding sites are affected.

By your concept, everything with a cyanide (nitrile) group would have the effect of cyanide


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    #21890609 - 07/02/15 11:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21890692 - 07/02/15 11:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Amphetamines just share a carbon skeleton. No one who knew what they're talking about would say they're the same thing, or whatever that guy is falsely implying.


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #21890699 - 07/02/15 11:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry ill call dextromethamphetamine by its long name.

That is correct but in this instance there is not much difference.

Mdma has more of an affinity for 5-HT transport and amphetamines more towards DA but they both trigger the same set of receptors. Thats why we consider them part of the methylated amphetamines, why would we create classes of chemicals if they werent simply manipulations of the basic structure?

Mdma is a substituted methamphetamine which is simply a substituted amphetamine. They will trigger the "amphetamine" receptors in different magnitudes (affinities) but is this really of that much significance? It makes you feel better than regular ol' meth, ok doesnt mean its not a methamphetamine and a danger to your health.


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Toadstool5]
    #21890913 - 07/03/15 12:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If they trigger them in different affinities then of course it is relevant. It alters the LD and overall toxicity of a substance.

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3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA) and methamphetamine (METH) are amphetamine analogues with similar persistent neurochemical effects in the mouse which some have described as neurotoxicity. We attempted to identify dose regimens of MDMA and METH with similar effects on behavioral and physiological variables in the mouse, then quantified the effects of these dose regimens on neurochemistry and microglial markers. Four discrete injections of saline, MDMA (10, 20, or 30 mg/kg), or METH (5 or 10 mg/kg) were administered to mice at 2 h intervals. Body weight was quantified immediately before each injection, and 2 h after the last injection, while core temperature and locomotor activity were continuously monitored via radiotelemetry. Mice were sacrificed 72 h after the final injection and brains were rapidly dissected on ice. Dopamine content in various brain regions was quantified via high pressure liquid chromatography (HPLC), and microglial activation was assessed by saturation binding of the peripheral benzodiazepine receptor (PBR) ligand [3H]PK11195. Specific dose regimens of MDMA and METH induced similar reductions in body weight, depletions of dopamine and its metabolites, and similar hyperthermic and locomotor stimulant effects, but only METH activated microglia in striatum. These results suggest that repeated high doses of MDMA and METH that produce hyperthermia, locomotor stereotypy, weight loss and neurochemical depletion are not consistently accompanied by microglial activation. The finding that METH, but not MDMA, induces microglial effects in the striatum consistent with neurotoxicity might imply different mechanisms of toxic action for these two psychostimulants.


A previous report by Pubill and associates (2003) utilized ex vivo [3H]PK11195 binding in the rat brain to compare and contrast the neurotoxic effects of METH and MDMA. In that study, increased PBR binding was noted in the striatum (39%) and cortex (32%) following METH administration, but not following MDMA administration, leading the authors to conclude that “there are differences between the brain responses to the neurotoxicity induced by METH and MDMA as far as glial activation is concerned” (Pubill et al., 2003)


The finding that the behavioral and physiological effect of these particular dose regimens were accompanied by increased [3H]PK11195 binding only following METH administration may imply important differences in the toxic mechanisms of these two drugs


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #21891088 - 07/03/15 01:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The finding that METH, but not MDMA, induces microglial effects in the striatum consistent with neurotoxicity might imply different mechanisms of toxic action for these two psychostimulants.




Different mechanism because the 5-HT receptors are effected more but there is still neurotoxicity present from it overloading 5-HT and DA receptors.

In my opinion if its a psychostimulant, if it is neurotoxic at 5-HT and DA, and if 90% of its chemical shape is methamphetamine then I'm convinced its at least close enough to methamphetamine to not use it.

Nomenclature guys, mdma is simply a version of methamphetamine.

What do you expect to happen from taking it? Honestly? People need to understand they are not different in the long run and grand scheme of things.

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    #21891963 - 07/03/15 10:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I've just shown they're different. I'm done.


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    #21892011 - 07/03/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I've just shown they're different. I'm done.



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    #21892120 - 07/03/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)



In his last statement he noted his opinion which isn't science. Furthermore, he noted another prominent difference between the drugs by MDMA's action of 5-HT, which psychedelics have proven is quite important receptor. Maybe it is toxic on that receptor, but meth is also toxic in the glial cells, unlike mdma. I've shown meth is toxic for different reasons, which supports the notion that these drugs are not the same. Again, just because something has a carbon triple bonded to a nitrogen within the compound doesn't mean the compound will act like cyanide.

And saying 90% of its chemical shape is meth is misinformation - just because the way we draw or say something hints that meth is a constituent of mdma doesn't mean it is.
The physical chemistry behind the molecule is completely different. Those two ethers are going to pull electron density from the ring and completely change the binding affinity for receptors as well its 3 dimensional conformation - not to mention that the psychoactive metabolites will be different as well.

Meth may be similar to MDMA, but it is not inherently a part of mdma


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    #21892747 - 07/03/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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but it is not inherently a part of mdma




Seriously?

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(A) Except as provided in subparagraph (C), the term controlled substance analogue means a substance -
(i) the chemical structure of which is substantially similar to the chemical structure of a controlled substance in schedule I or II;
(ii) which has a stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system that is substantially similar to or greater than the stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system of a controlled substance in schedule I or II; or
(iii) with respect to a particular person, which such person represents or intends to have a stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system that is substantially similar to or greater than the stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system of a controlled substance in schedule I or II.




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Furthermore, he noted another prominent difference between the drugs by MDMA's action of 5-HT




Prominent? Is has a slightly greater affinity for 5-HT over meth. Meth still causes 5-HT damage and stimulation.

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just because the way we draw or say something hints that meth is a constituent of mdma doesn't mean it is.




Meth is a constituent of diethylenedioxymethamphetamine. You cant spell mdma without ma now can you?

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The physical chemistry behind the molecule is completely different.




Completely different? They are both psychostimulants, both act on the same set of receptors, both cause neurotoxicity, and both are commonly abused.

Besides pharmacological chemistry is what you are thinking of not the physical chemistry.

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indirect evidence of neuronal damage can be assessed. For example, an increase in the volume of glial cells (a supporting and nourishing type of brain cell) (=gliosis) or an increase in glial fibrillary acidic protein (GFAP) are associated with neuronal damage and can be used as markers




Mdma could very well be toxic on gilial cells but due to the additional damage at 5-HT leading to GFAP release there is no observable difference in neurotoxicity of gilial cells. This is why it MIGHT suggest a different mechanism for neurotoxicity.

Even the same drug can go through a multitude of metabolic mechanisms depending on settings and dose or other variables. Look at dmt and 5-ho-dmt.

If you want to assume the difference is insignificant and risk neurotoxicity then by all means procede. I apologise for my efforts to keep people safe.


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Toadstool5]
    #21892776 - 07/03/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This isnt something new to science man

How do you think mdma was invented? It was an experimentation on what could be done with methamphetamine. Same with heroin and morphine and we all know how that turned out.


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Toadstool5]
    #21893384 - 07/03/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I never said mdma isn't harmful and personally it's not for me. I still believe mdma is RELATIVELY safe when compared to meth. And I still hold my ground that they aren't the same. I did mean physical chemistry, which is the foundation for the pharmacological effects.

Their binding affinities definitely mean something - any user ive talked to knows the perceptual differences from meth and mdma. By personal accounts, it also seems meth is quite a bit more addictive. I don't think your attempt to invalidate the article is valid. I'll take a more detailed look at it and the article when I get to my computer and run another literature search.


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: LittleDaddy] * 1
    #21895263 - 07/04/15 01:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, I don't think you're right. if they're measuring GFAP, high levels of it are going to show glial cell toxicity.

Just read the concluding paragraph of the article I posted. Clearly displays differences.
Also, your argument about the analogue of DMT, compare LSA to LSD - one active in micrograms and one active in milli.

Furthermore, they had to increase the amount f mdma in that study 6 times that of meth to produce the hyperthermia and dopamine release of meth. Hmmm, have to consume six times more to get similar harmful effects... Sounds safer to me. Meth has more types of severe toxicity...


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #21895313 - 07/04/15 01:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:whatyougonnado:


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21896467 - 07/04/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21896608 - 07/04/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

GFAP is released by astroglia to form glial scars to prevent further damage of the cell, look into astrogliosis. There wont be a reduction in the density of glial cells because astrogliosis will prevent their destruction by filling the voids left in the cell walls before they completely necrose.

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according to some formulae for interspecies scaling, the recreational MDMA doses might well approach doses commonly given to animals in experimental studies

Green AR., Mechan AO., Elliott JM., et al. The pharmacology and clinical pharmacology of 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA, “ecstasy”). Pharmacol Rev. 2003;55:463–508. [PubMed]




Interspecies scaling of experimental doses is very fluid and many people use mdma like theres no tomorrow.

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Moreover, some heavy users take MDMA more frequently than just at weekends; they ingest up to 10 or even more pills in one night and they typically use MDMA over years, which may increase the risk for long-term cumulative neurotoxic effects.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3181923/





compare LSA to LSD - one active in micrograms and one active in milli.

Remember my key analogy? The difference in those two is much greater because the part of the molecule responsible for binding to the synapse has been severely modified. Diethylamination of any primary amine or even a secondary amine (if its stable) will lead to a huge difference in affinity.


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Toadstool5]
    #21896660 - 07/04/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Recent research has demonstrated that blockade of α7 nicotinic acetylcholine receptors (nAChR) inhibits METH- and MDMA-induced ROS production in striatal synaptosomes




http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4055958/

That study you cited cant be more wrong! :lol:

It doesnt account for astrogliosis,  it was conducted on mice instead of primates, it was a 72hr study, and free oxygen radicals (ROS) are the number one culprit for neurotoxicity and BOTH create an influx in the striatal region that can BOTH be blocked at the nicotinic a7 receptors.


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Toadstool5]
    #21897188 - 07/04/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Achillita]
    #21897219 - 07/04/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I wonder how many people she had to roll on to get 3 years probation. For over a pound of mush and 67 X pills just off the top of my head I thought she would be sentenced to 3-5 years in prison.


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: BlazinAmazin]
    #21897239 - 07/04/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I wonder how many people she had to roll on to get 3 years probation. For over a pound of mush and 67 X pills just off the top of my head I thought she would be sentenced to 3-5 years in prison.



perfect avatar dude.

If i was on mushrooms I would question whether or not it was really moving


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21903363 - 07/05/15 11:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Dam that rat ate the cheese


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Toadstool5]
    #21918187 - 07/09/15 06:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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methylenedioxidized meth



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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: plambe]
    #21918699 - 07/09/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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stahp :gooby:




Reade :lol:

Seriously though, take a look at the literature and learn more about SERT, and striatal DA, and sustituted amphetamines man.

I promise to keep my chemistry stuff in chem and pharm from now on. I didnt realize it offended so many people in news. :shrug:


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Toadstool5]
    #21918730 - 07/09/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I didn't realize MDMA=meth

My life has been a lie


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21921433 - 07/09/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Methxtacy :heart:

Who is this Cady character the article mentions? I'm assuming her 'pimp' that she was carrying for.

I would tap that in a heart beat :crazy2:


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: Toadstool5]
    #21922626 - 07/09/15 11:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Toadstool5 said:
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stahp :gooby:




Reade :lol:

Seriously though, take a look at the literature and learn more about SERT, and striatal DA, and sustituted amphetamines man.

I promise to keep my chemistry stuff in chem and pharm from now on. I didnt realize it offended so many people in news. :shrug:



No man, I know my science but I just don't like the word "methylenedioxidized", it just doesn't sound right. If I gave you meth could you methylenedioxidize it to MDMA?


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: plambe]
    #22398070 - 10/18/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

They probably tested the Ecstasy and it came up positive as a methamphetamine, so it could be meth or mdma. Remember that it's easier to distinguish amphetamines from methamphetamines than amphetamines from methylenedioxidized amphetamines like MDA and MDMA. MDMA and Meth are both schedule 1 so the punishment is the same, further testing would have been irrelevant from a legal standpoint.


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Re: Straight A student caught with 'magic mushrooms,' meth gets probation [Re: motaman]
    #25646711 - 11/29/18 01:58 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

I know these people. They were a couple. It wasn’t meth, it was MDMA. They were caught together, no one snitched. Neither got any jail time. They stayed together for a bit afterward too. The only weird thing about all of this for people who knew them was that she was only 18. She seemed & acted much older, and everyone assumed she was in her mid 20s because she talked about how she graduated from art school. I wonder if he even knew her age, honestly.


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