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    #21885785 - 07/02/15 12:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have some friends who want to try DMT but have never tripped on anything, they think it would be best to do this because of its short duration, i personally started with Shrooms and eventually graduated to DMT after Trying LSD and all kinds of psychedelics. My question is, is this the best thing for them to do?


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Re: DMT and first time trippers [Re: GuruKhan]
    #21885897 - 07/02/15 12:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:rofl: i can't imagine DMT being my first psych.

Tell them, it may last 15 minutes, but that 15 minutes lasts an eternity.


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Re: DMT and first time trippers [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21885910 - 07/02/15 12:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Idk man if they seem ready you will know tell them to do their research about it and when they can describe how to make it their ready.


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Re: DMT and first time trippers [Re: Psilosopherr] * 1
    #21885919 - 07/02/15 12:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This shouldn't even be a question. :goodluck:


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Re: DMT and first time trippers [Re: GuruKhan]
    #21886020 - 07/02/15 01:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Seems pretty extreme for a first time tripper.

Might freak the hell out of them :shrug:

Make sure you tell them "Ok, its gunna feel like youre dying and your mind is travelling to some alien dimension at a million miles an hour. But dont worry, it will end in 15mins."

That should help prepare them for their intense experience.


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Re: DMT and first time trippers [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #21886049 - 07/02/15 01:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Why don't they get a psilocybin or LSD trip under their belt first so they atleast have an idea of what an altered state of mind is like. Even though DMT is very different from both of them


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Re: DMT and first time trippers [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21886111 - 07/02/15 02:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

DMT was my first psychedelic and it was an intense and amazing experience. I did a lot of research beforehand so i knew what to expect and was mentally prepared.


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Re: DMT and first time trippers [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21886836 - 07/02/15 08:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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:rofl: i can't imagine DMT being my first psych.

Tell them, it may last 15 minutes, but that 15 minutes lasts an eternity.




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Re: DMT and first time trippers [Re: Riz75314]
    #21886870 - 07/02/15 08:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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DMT was my first psychedelic and it was an intense and amazing experience. I did a lot of research beforehand so i knew what to expect and was mentally prepared.




How the fuck were you prepared? That sounds impossible :lol:


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Re: DMT and first time trippers [Re: GoldenEye]
    #21886944 - 07/02/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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How the fuck were you prepared? That sounds impossible :lol:




Exactly, nobody's first trip should be DMT. Thats like trying meth before caffeine :shrug:


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Re: DMT and first time trippers [Re: Toadstool5] * 1
    #21887364 - 07/02/15 10:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I've administered dmt to someone for their first psychedelic and it was less than a sub breakthrough dose.

I suggest letting them take the tinnniest toke and hold it in for a while. That will give them a light dmt buzz.


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Re: DMT and first time trippers [Re: moonzo]
    #21887423 - 07/02/15 10:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

DMT is the safest of all psychs :thumbup:


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Re: DMT and first time trippers [Re: qweqaz]
    #21887509 - 07/02/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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DMT was my first psychedelic and it was an intense and amazing experience. I did a lot of research beforehand so i knew what to expect and was mentally prepared.




How the fuck were you prepared? That sounds impossible :lol:



yeah I have had many people tell me that being ready for dmt is not possible


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Re: DMT and first time trippers [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21887557 - 07/02/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Riz75314 said:
DMT was my first psychedelic and it was an intense and amazing experience. I did a lot of research beforehand so i knew what to expect and was mentally prepared.




How the fuck were you prepared? That sounds impossible :lol:



yeah I have had many people tell me that being ready for dmt is not possible




After 13 times, i am not ever going to be prepared for my 14th. So i guess it is not possible.


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Re: DMT and first time trippers [Re: moonzo]
    #21887995 - 07/02/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm glad we cleared that up :lol:


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Re: DMT and first time trippers [Re: GoldenEye]
    #21889431 - 07/02/15 06:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

well if I had access to dmt before other psychs I probably would have..

I have only tried dmt a few times, a couple breakthroughs. So regarding being prepared, I think there is such a thing as far as gathering stories about other peoples experiences in person(or if no where else, on a message board). I must think this because I researched a lot in hopes of one day trying it. When I hear I would get to try I knew I would accept it and had nothing to fear, because I had heard so much :happyheart: :rocket:


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Re: DMT and first time trippers [Re: filthyknees]
    #21893381 - 07/03/15 04:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

At times taking DMT feels like jumping out from an airplane where the last thought on your mind is "Maybe the parachute is damaged". Nervous before smoking/jumping..and once you have jumped/inhaled you are prettymuch fucked and have to deal with the fall/trip as it progress. Nomatter how many times you have done it, you are still nervous before you do it.


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Re: DMT and first time trippers [Re: moonzo]
    #21894673 - 07/03/15 09:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I've administered dmt to someone for their first psychedelic and it was less than a sub breakthrough dose.

I suggest letting them take the tinnniest toke and hold it in for a while. That will give them a light dmt buzz.






:werd:








I think dmt can be a great introduction for someone that's new to such things. Smoking threshold amounts doesn't even produce visuals for me, but a very pronounced buzz in the body and an apparent shift in my head space....Smoking a bit more I'd compare to dipping into a mild to moderate mushroom trip for a few minutes.

I think some of ya'll are looking at dmt in a way as if it catalyzes nothing but overwhelming breakthrough experiences...There's certainly room to play with light doses for a newb, the line into a breakthrough isn't that thin .







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Re: DMT and first time trippers [Re: openmind]
    #21895022 - 07/03/15 11:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Very true.

I find with DMT that theres a fine line between light tripping aand full-on "holy shit bawls!!" tripping. There is no middle ground for DMT.


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Re: DMT and first time trippers [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21895669 - 07/04/15 05:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

There are middle grounds, you just have to have enough DMT to play with dosages.


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Re: DMT and first time trippers [Re: openmind]
    #21897150 - 07/04/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i did dmt twice yesterday and................no break through, just an intense trip, everything turned cartoony but as far as being on another planet, not yet. my brother taught me how to make a vaporizer out of a 2 liter bottle, im going to do it again in 3 days, its guarenteed to give me a breakthrough.


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Re: DMT and first time trippers [Re: GuruKhan]
    #21897175 - 07/04/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

my harmala extract is just about done. Then I'll finally be able to make changa :awedance:

first breakthrough on changa isn't a bad idea is it?


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Re: DMT and first time trippers [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21897326 - 07/04/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I got changa because i DIDN'T wanna breakthru but rather jus surf the dmt high. I never done it in a bong because i don't really wanna breakthrough i only do it in joints/blunts; calls for a goodtime.


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Re: DMT and first time trippers [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #21897353 - 07/04/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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my harmala extract is just about done.

first breakthrough on changa isn't a bad idea is it?





I would be more concerned with the harmaline MAOIs and your amine intake from diet. Serotonin syndrome and hypertension are not fun, horrible feverish feeling like your organs are going to fail and you are going pass out. It is reversible though so its much safer.

With smoking its all about the size of the hits and the rate at which you smoke. Seems safer than oral use due to a shorter duration, less need for MAOI, and the dose is "built" rather than done all at once.


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Re: DMT and first time trippers [Re: moonzo]
    #21897354 - 07/04/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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There are middle grounds, you just have to have enough DMT to play with dosages.




It's tough to control though. Especially at first. I smoked myself into amnesia the third time around whilst trying to work up the intensity gradually.


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Re: DMT and first time trippers [Re: GoldenEye]
    #21897598 - 07/04/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

my first trip was a high dose of oral dmt when i was 16 and i wouldnt change a thing it was perfect


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Re: DMT and first time trippers [Re: Toadstool5]
    #21897635 - 07/04/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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my harmala extract is just about done.

first breakthrough on changa isn't a bad idea is it?





I would be more concerned with the harmaline MAOIs and your amine intake from diet. Serotonin syndrome and hypertension are not fun, horrible feverish feeling like your organs are going to fail and you are going pass out. It is reversible though so its much safer.

With smoking its all about the size of the hits and the rate at which you smoke. Seems safer than oral use due to a shorter duration, less need for MAOI, and the dose is "built" rather than done all at once.



I made a post about this a little while ago if you'd care to give your opinion of the responses.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21797513/page/3


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Re: DMT and first time trippers [Re: GoldenEye]
    #21897757 - 07/04/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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There are middle grounds, you just have to have enough DMT to play with dosages.




It's tough to control though. Especially at first. I smoked myself into amnesia the third time around whilst trying to work up the intensity gradually.




If you learn to smoke the DMT the same every time and wait at least an hour between trips you can really trim it in. I personally can smoke a certain amount that will push me just to peek into that other dimension and then stay inside both worlds at the same time. It is superinterresting.
Smoking it all gradually usually helps a lot to control the intake. That is, instead of just rip it all in all at once you take a small hit first and let the heartbeat go up and all that jazz that usually builds when trip starts, then you take another one that is slightly larger and then keep doing this. I used to think that the tolerance would kick in too fast and that I had to rush it in but its not needed. Gradually enter the other world is more fun because you do not have to be so scared/nervous of being punched in the face by the shockwave.

One very interresting experience is to only stare at the pipe as you hit it..you will see the background become more and more transformative and blurry and the focuspoint on the pipe will become more pronounced and all of the sudden you sit there on the otherside holding the pipe..but you are in another dimension..and then it fades out and you are back in your regular room again. This is superinterresting I must say. Usually if you focus on things in your room they will transform and dissolve and it can be pretty disorienting..tho still interresting.


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Re: DMT and first time trippers [Re: qweqaz]
    #21898004 - 07/04/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I use the two litter as well its decent but flame both sides before using it because it has bad chemical that can give you alzheimer's.

I think DMT may be the best thing for a noob you just have to give them a tiny dose and they would feel like their on mushrooms for 10 minutes its a lot better than being on mushrooms for 6 hours (for a noob) and the more they like it the more than can play around with it and go further.

Plus if anything goes wrong its the shortest psychedelic know to man. Just give them a small dose like 15 mg and if they like it go to 20mg then 30mg but don't go past 35mg until they have done it 10 times past 35 will make anyone breakthrough. Just make sure they know what they're in for to some extent.


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Re: DMT and first time trippers [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21898453 - 07/04/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I made a post about this a little while ago if you'd care to give your opinion of the responses.




I did :thumbup:

With it being reversible you dont have to worry about tyramine-rich foods but you do have to be careful with certain opioids and stimulants that increase striatal dopamine (like MDMA :rofl:)

It also shouldnt be combined with anti-histamines or SSRIs. Definitely not anti-histamines (its a histamine N-methyl transferase inhibitor)

What the others suggested regarding making changa was spot on. B. Caapi leaf if i remember is only used for laying the changa not really as a source of harmala alkaloids.


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Re: DMT and first time trippers [Re: Toadstool5]
    #21899434 - 07/05/15 01:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I made a post about this a little while ago if you'd care to give your opinion of the responses.




I did :thumbup:

With it being reversible you dont have to worry about tyramine-rich foods but you do have to be careful with certain opioids and stimulants that increase striatal dopamine (like MDMA :rofl:)

It also shouldnt be combined with anti-histamines or SSRIs. Definitely not anti-histamines (its a histamine N-methyl transferase inhibitor)

What the others suggested regarding making changa was spot on. B. Caapi leaf if i remember is only used for laying the changa not really as a source of harmala alkaloids.



good to know about the anti histamines. had never heard that before


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