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fuzzy white myc in jars vs strong white?
#21884872 - 07/01/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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i've been playing with this hobby for quite a few years now, almost 6 to be exact. but lately i've been second guessing some of my work before going into fruiting. in the jar stage, is there a clear distinction between certain contams and true mycelium, or is there some contams that are just white and fuzzy as mycelium?
to clarify, does all mycelium look the same or can the different stages (haploid diploid) look strikingly different, as in the haploid strands can look less vigorus and look more fuzzy while in the jars on the bird seed ?
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Re: fuzzy white myc in jars vs strong white? [Re: 404]
#21885109 - 07/01/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Honestly to this day mycelium can surprise me. However I've found more often than not fuzzy white is mycelium. Cottony can turn into wet bubble and Sandy turns to trich.
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Mad Season said: I'll have to dig up some pics for yall. I swear I've seen way worse get called mycelium.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21757581
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21624840
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I told both of these people they had bad stuff haha. What op has looks close to or even better than those examples. I bet it's fine 
Altho conversely there are white fuzzy molds that have been bad too. It's really damn bard to gauge.
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Re: fuzzy white myc in jars vs strong white? [Re: Mad Season]
#21891997 - 07/03/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here, since this thread has fizzled and died, ill breathe new life into it...

What do the seasoned vets have to say about this?
I wanna say its all mycelium...
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Re: fuzzy white myc in jars vs strong white? [Re: 404]
#21892037 - 07/03/15 10:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bring it to cultivation for more responses. However those are all mycelium. Lots of them look like they're growing alongside bacteria though.
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Re: fuzzy white myc in jars vs strong white? [Re: Mad Season]
#21892517 - 07/03/15 12:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Have you smelt it?
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Re: fuzzy white myc in jars vs strong white? [Re: Mad Season]
#21892533 - 07/03/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: Bring it to cultivation for more responses. However those are all mycelium. Lots of them look like they're growing alongside bacteria though.
^^^This. Several shots look like the mycelium is overtaking bacterial contamination. One sniff and you'll know for sure.
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Re: fuzzy white myc in jars vs strong white? [Re: Nature Boy]
#21892937 - 07/03/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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They smell pretty shroomy afaik. Havent really checked, im using a tyvek u der filter and a metal lid with a decent hole with poly fill. I pressure cooked all these jars at 15 psi for 90 minutes which i understand is overkill? Also, i torch flamed the needle till glowing orange and letting it cool just enough to not melt the poly as i slipped it in while using a glovebox that i wiped down with iso. Sounds proper right? Ill notify a mod to see if i cant get this moved over to mush cult. Thanks for the responses so far!
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Re: fuzzy white myc in jars vs strong white? [Re: 404]
#21892986 - 07/03/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ps, the ones that look like they are fighting bacteria - couldnt that be because i shook up the jars? I notice they tend to look like that a lot after.
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Re: fuzzy white myc in jars vs strong white? [Re: 404]
#21893007 - 07/03/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not overkill.. no such thing. The MINIMUM is 90 minutes. Personally I upped it to 2 hours with a major difference in bacteria. All molds basically die at 130f for 30 minutes. If we didn't have to worry about bacteria we'd do a pasteurization. It's bacteria that needs to get pressure cooked, so always keep in mind 90 minutes is the MINIMUM for a reason.
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Mad Season said: Well there's a difference between colonized and cleanly colonized.
This is colonized: 
Lots of members have noticed cobweb and trich from jars that look like this or better. Wet spots are bacteria. Not wet grains or wet spots. To colonize cleanly is the hardest. I had to change my pc times to 2 hours to reduce it.
This is (ALMOST) cleanly colonized, that's how hard it is to have it completely clean. This isn't even completely clean:

This is completely clean spawn:

Anyone who's done this for awhile will testify this is the hardest part of the hobby and is what will dictate the success or failure of bulk.
This is properly anal stuff, but this is also how you get cleaner than clean spawn.
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Re: fuzzy white myc in jars vs strong white? [Re: Mad Season]
#21893050 - 07/03/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Awesome, i'll definitely change that asap. I have some jars sitting that i already cooked for 90 a day or two ago, dumb question but you think it's fine to cook them again for another 2 hours?
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Re: fuzzy white myc in jars vs strong white? [Re: 404]
#21893070 - 07/03/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Might make them dry. However if it is sealed up enough with a good GE filter and made with good hydration, it shouldn't actually effect it enough to notice a difference
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Re: fuzzy white myc in jars vs strong white? [Re: Mad Season]
#21893083 - 07/03/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ge = gas exchange? Again i make my own from tyvek and polyfil. Those have gotten me results in the past and ive never really had a problem with exchange
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Re: fuzzy white myc in jars vs strong white? [Re: 404]
#21893101 - 07/03/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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If the polyfil is tight as a virgin, it should be good, and will keep the moisture in the jar during the pc cycle I said it because there's a chance you can ruin your hydration pcing them twice.
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Re: fuzzy white myc in jars vs strong white? [Re: Mad Season]
#21893287 - 07/03/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I skipped some of the drying process an put them in a slight bit wet, i motice that over the course of a few days that the seed tends to soak up the rest and the over night soak before precooking the grain is largely unnecessary.
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Re: fuzzy white myc in jars vs strong white? [Re: Mad Season]
#21894033 - 07/03/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: Not overkill.. no such thing. The MINIMUM is 90 minutes.

I never do less than 120 minutes.
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Re: fuzzy white myc in jars vs strong white? [Re: Nature Boy]
#21894302 - 07/03/15 08:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Roger that, noted. Going to apply that when i go to cook again. As for innoculating, am i pretty much doing that right? Been doing it this way for a while... How often do you guys get contams?
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Re: fuzzy white myc in jars vs strong white? [Re: 404]
#21894380 - 07/03/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is how I inoculate. This is how I get very close to 100% success.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21889950
Again pretty anal. Still if you're tired of wondering if it'll be clean like I was, and would rather be shocked you got a contamination.. that's how I did it
Edited by Mad Season (07/03/15 08:31 PM)
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