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Does black privilege exist? * 1
    #21884791 - 07/01/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Or is it a fantasy like the left would have us believe? Lets take a look at the facts. Did I just hear all the leftists groan? Yes, much as they hate facts they need to face them. Is black privilege real? First lets list the reasons why it is.

1. Affirmative action
2. Racial set asides
3. Quotas at colleges
4. Quotas imposed on business
5. Hate crime laws used virtually only on whites

That is a pretty damn strong argument in favor of black privilege. In fact it does seem to prove it since those programs both official and unofficial are known to exist. What can you left wingers tell us to establish the mythical white privilege? Where are the laws favoring whites?

White privilege = myth
Black privilege = fact


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge] * 4
    #21886122 - 07/02/15 02:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You got that ass ass ass ass backwards. What you list there are incentives intended to overcome the still existing disadvantage the black people have in society. Its a plaster cast for someone with a broken leg, not for someone whos medical situation os A OK.

You poor poor disadvataged little white boy, soo butthurt because he thinks others are getting handouts and he is left behind.

Want a handout kiddo, here, a +1, see theres your handout.





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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Asante]
    #21886826 - 07/02/15 08:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>What you list there are incentives intended to overcome the still existing disadvantage the black people have in society

Here is a question for you to run away from. What disadvantage? I made a compelling case for black privilege, a video of homo activity does not dispute any of it.

>Its a plaster cast for someone with a broken leg, not for someone whos medical situation os A OK.

I have more news for you, the handouts and preference go to ALL blacks and minorities, not for those with a broken leg. Are you going to tell us that what happened to someone's ancestors means they can't compete in today's world? If I find out one of my ancestors was a slave or was treated badly, does that hurt me today?

>You poor poor disadvataged little white boy,

Today I am Asian, tomorrow perhaps American indian. I won't be white until the weekend.

>he thinks others are getting handouts and he is left behind.

"thinks"? I am left behind by racist laws unless I claim some minority status.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
    #21888005 - 07/02/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

1 yet the supreme court has upheld it again and again, we've also been over this quite a bit in another thread.  can you backup your claim that AA is racism?  can you cite a source that doesn't go on to contradict your assertions?
2 helps make up for banks giving fewer loans to blacks
3 doesn't happen
4 doesn't happen in the private sector
5 maybe whites should quit committing so many hate crimes :shrug:

White privilege

1 more likely to be let on the bus for free
2 more likely to get called back on a job application
3 more likely to have benefited from inheriting property and wealth from ancestors and/or the FHA subsidies
4 less likely to be poor
5 more likely to be selected for a management position even when all other factors are equal
6 more likely to be approved for a home loan
7 shown more housing options
8 more likely to attend a good public school (relates to wealth and housing gaps)
9 more likely to afford a good private school
10 much easier to find beauty products

There's more but an even ten sounds nice.  Plus I figured you'd like 10 :laugh:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/24/opinion/research-shows-white-privilege-is-real.html?_r=0
http://www.nber.org/papers/w9873
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege
http://www.tolerance.org/article/racism-and-white-privilege


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21888032 - 07/02/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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paperbackwriter said:

White privilege

1 more likely to be let on the bus for free
2 more likely to get called back on a job application
3 more likely to have benefited from inheriting property and wealth from ancestors and/or the FHA subsidies
4 less likely to be poor
5 more likely to be selected for a management position even when all other factors are equal
6 more likely to be approved for a home loan
7 shown more housing options
8 more likely to attend a good public school (relates to wealth and housing gaps)
9 more likely to afford a good private school
10 much easier to find beauty products




It is not white people's fault that they are better looking, more likable, and have better genes.  It is also not people's fault for treating white people better.

If there are two girls, one is a super-hot blond and the other a mousy, insignificant, ugly even, girl.  When everything else being equal, which would you want to hire (if you are a business owner), and which one would you want to pull out all the stops to impress and maybe pursue (assuming your a male)?


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21888130 - 07/02/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

pbw, are you still denying that giving breaks and special handouts to certain races is not racism? Even most of the left agrees its racism but tries to justify it. Only the extreme, loony fringe tries to say it isn't. If it mandates special breaks to whites, would that be racist?

>3 doesn't happen (3. Quotas at colleges)

I knew you were dizzy but I thought you had some clue. Racial quotas at many universities are a well known subject, we've discussed it on the boards many times. Fail once again.

>4 doesn't happen in the private sector (4. Quotas imposed on business)

The private sector IS business and if they don't hire enough negroes or whatever group is "lacking" they get sued by the us dept of injustice and have to pay tons of money.

>5 maybe whites should quit committing so many hate crimes

Most hate crimes are committed by blacks or Hispanics. What do you think it was when the rioters went looking for whites to beat up and rob? Just having a little fun?

So on and so on. You are clearly incapable of carrying on any sort of rational discussion.

Wan, you are right of course.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21888167 - 07/02/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

^thanks stone


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21888177 - 07/02/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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1 yet the supreme court has upheld it again and again, we've also been over this quite a bit in another thread.  can you backup your claim that AA is racism?  can you cite a source that doesn't go on to contradict your assertions?
2 helps make up for banks giving fewer loans to blacks
3 doesn't happen
4 doesn't happen in the private sector
5 maybe whites should quit committing so many hate crimes :shrug:

White privilege

1 more likely to be let on the bus for free
2 more likely to get called back on a job application
3 more likely to have benefited from inheriting property and wealth from ancestors and/or the FHA subsidies
4 less likely to be poor
5 more likely to be selected for a management position even when all other factors are equal
6 more likely to be approved for a home loan
7 shown more housing options
8 more likely to attend a good public school (relates to wealth and housing gaps)
9 more likely to afford a good private school
10 much easier to find beauty products

There's more but an even ten sounds nice.  Plus I figured you'd like 10 :laugh:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/24/opinion/research-shows-white-privilege-is-real.html?_r=0
http://www.nber.org/papers/w9873
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege
http://www.tolerance.org/article/racism-and-white-privilege




"more likely to be let on the bus for free"  :rofl2:

"much easier to find beauty products"  :rofl2:

Dude I have a serious question.  Are you black, or white?


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21888235 - 07/02/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Stonehenge said:
Or is it a fantasy like the left would have us believe? Lets take a look at the facts. Did I just hear all the leftists groan? Yes, much as they hate facts they need to face them. Is black privilege real? First lets list the reasons why it is.

1. Affirmative action
2. Racial set asides
3. Quotas at colleges
4. Quotas imposed on business
5. Hate crime laws used virtually only on whites

That is a pretty damn strong argument in favor of black privilege. In fact it does seem to prove it since those programs both official and unofficial are known to exist. What can you left wingers tell us to establish the mythical white privilege? Where are the laws favoring whites?

White privilege = myth
Black privilege = fact





Let's accept your premise that "black privilege" exists.
Now, a lot of folks believe that white privilege exists as well.
you contend that white privilege is a myth, so i ask you this sir:
If you had the option, would you relive your life up to this point as a black man instead of a white one?
after all, think of all the "black privilege" you could take advantage of.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21888262 - 07/02/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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ballsalsa said:
Quote:

Stonehenge said:
Or is it a fantasy like the left would have us believe? Lets take a look at the facts. Did I just hear all the leftists groan? Yes, much as they hate facts they need to face them. Is black privilege real? First lets list the reasons why it is.

1. Affirmative action
2. Racial set asides
3. Quotas at colleges
4. Quotas imposed on business
5. Hate crime laws used virtually only on whites

That is a pretty damn strong argument in favor of black privilege. In fact it does seem to prove it since those programs both official and unofficial are known to exist. What can you left wingers tell us to establish the mythical white privilege? Where are the laws favoring whites?

White privilege = myth
Black privilege = fact





Let's accept your premise that "black privilege" exists.
Now, a lot of folks believe that white privilege exists as well.
you contend that white privilege is a myth, so i ask you this sir:
If you had the option, would you relive your life up to this point as a black man instead of a white one?
after all, think of all the "black privilege" you could take advantage of.



This one is a no-brainer.  I would most definitely want to be a white man instead of a black man, but this has nothing to do with black privileges or white privileges or whatever.  Being black simply sucks.  In fact I used to know this half-black, half-white kid, and he was suicidally depressed.  I am almost 100% sure that it was due to his black lineage.  If I were half-black (dont even need to be fully black), I would want to die, too.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: WAN] * 1
    #21888284 - 07/02/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Wan you should dress up your racism with more intellectual rhetoric like stonehenge does.

Saying stuff like:

Quote:

It is not white people's fault that they are better looking, more likable, and have better genes.  It is also not people's fault for treating white people better.




is just too obvious.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Asante]
    #21888288 - 07/02/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I mean what I say and I say what I mean.  I don't care if people think I am a troll or whatever.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Asante]
    #21888296 - 07/02/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So, asante, your racism is ok but other people's is not?


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: WAN] * 1
    #21888297 - 07/02/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Your point of view is racist.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21888300 - 07/02/15 02:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i know you saw that post stoney.
answer the question please


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21888301 - 07/02/15 02:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So, asante, your racism is ok but other people's is not?





Can you show on the dolly where I have been racist lately? In posts that dont hearken years back?


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Asante]
    #21888309 - 07/02/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Your point of view is racist.



so?


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Asante]
    #21888320 - 07/02/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Asante said:
Quote:

Stonehenge said:
So, asante, your racism is ok but other people's is not?





Can you show on the dolly where I have been racist lately? In posts that dont hearken years back?




Lol, you have been over using the dolly nonsense for a while.

>In posts that dont hearken years back

Almost every post you support aa which is a racist policy. You support all racist policies that help negroes. You like those negro men don't you?


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21888395 - 07/02/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

First of all, I don't support affirmative action in the way it exists in the USA today.

What I DO support is a kind of action to be taken that allows for black people to rise beyond the point of disadvantage where it is now.

Your point of view about race is upside down Stonehenge. Its inverted. White people are not the disadvantaged ones and black people are not the privileged ones. You drank the kool aid dude, you fell for it. You are the red guy's henchman.



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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: WAN] * 2
    #21888467 - 07/02/15 03:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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WAN said:
Quote:

Asante said:
Your point of view is racist.



so?




you want to know why racism is bad?  It is bad because it promotes the idea that one group of humans is somehow lesser than another.  this leads some people to conclude that it is ok to treat one sub-group poorly compared to another(based on appearance).  This is a bad thing, because it leads to things like The American Civil War, and WW2.  It also leads to things like the Japanese internment camps here in the US during the war. It leads to pogroms and genocides, because after all, those people are inferior to these people, so that makes it ok.  Racism promotes violence by marginalizing the humanity of the victims.

but this thread isn't about the pros and con's of racism.  its about whether or not Blacks in america are a privileged people.
If you think they are, then go find some numbers to demonstrate it.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Asante]
    #21888608 - 07/02/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>What I DO support is a kind of action to be taken that allows for black people to rise beyond the point of disadvantage where it is now.

Aren't they "allowed" to rise up now? Or are you saying they have a handicap built in of some sort and need a crutch or wheelchair to get around in life? What kind of action do you support besides handouts and racist favoritism?

>Your point of view about race is upside down Stonehenge

That's what I would have said about you. I want equality of opportunity, you want equality of outcome.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21888624 - 07/02/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

WAN said:
Quote:

Asante said:
Your point of view is racist.



so?




you want to know why racism is bad?  It is bad because it promotes the idea that one group of humans is somehow lesser than another.  this leads some people to conclude that it is ok to treat one sub-group poorly compared to another(based on appearance).  This is a bad thing, because it leads to things like The American Civil War, and WW2.  It also leads to things like the Japanese internment camps here in the US during the war. It leads to pogroms and genocides, because after all, those people are inferior to these people, so that makes it ok.  Racism promotes violence by marginalizing the humanity of the victims.





All of those things happened in the past.  As long as we the present-day people are careful not to repeat past atrocities, I don't see why we shouldn't embrace racism (and Truth).  The truth of the matter, is that some groups truly are less desirable (you can also say inferior here) than others.  This view is OK to promote and hold as long as we don't repeat the history.

In fact, if you people will come to see The Light, admitting that some races are inferior than others is actually a good thing.  It galvanizes you (or I should say, them) to want to do something about it.  And by this, I am referring to genetic manipulations of genomes.  Only by realizing and admitting that blacks and Asians are inferior to whites will we get on the true path to prosperity and success.  White people are lucky that their ancestors were faced with truly hostile environments that severely culled the herd, and this is why present-day white people have such superior genes.  But the rest of us shouldn't despair.  We now have, or soon will, the technology to re-write our genes, as to make them better.  But if we keep covering up our eyes and ears and chant "we are just as good as white people", we will never truly advance, and will, ironically, remain forever behind white people in terms of evolutionary fitness.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: WAN]
    #21888646 - 07/02/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Asians are way ahead of that other group, no doubt about it.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: WAN]
    #21888652 - 07/02/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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WAN said:
Quote:

ballsalsa said:
Quote:

WAN said:
Quote:

Asante said:
Your point of view is racist.



so?




you want to know why racism is bad?  It is bad because it promotes the idea that one group of humans is somehow lesser than another.  this leads some people to conclude that it is ok to treat one sub-group poorly compared to another(based on appearance).  This is a bad thing, because it leads to things like The American Civil War, and WW2.  It also leads to things like the Japanese internment camps here in the US during the war. It leads to pogroms and genocides, because after all, those people are inferior to these people, so that makes it ok.  Racism promotes violence by marginalizing the humanity of the victims.





All of those things happened in the past.  As long as we the present-day people are careful not to repeat past atrocities, I don't see why we shouldn't embrace racism (and Truth).  The truth of the matter, is that some groups truly are less desirable (you can also say inferior here) than others.  This view is OK to promote and hold as long as we don't repeat the history.

In fact, if you people will come to see The Light, admitting that some races are inferior than others is actually a good thing.  It galvanizes you (or I should say, them) to want to do something about it.  And by this, I am referring to genetic manipulations of genomes.  Only by realizing and admitting that blacks and Asians are inferior to whites will we get on the true path to prosperity and success.  White people are lucky that their ancestors were faced with truly hostile environments that severely culled the herd, and this is why present-day white people have such superior genes.  But the rest of us shouldn't despair.  We now have, or soon will, the technology to re-write our genes, as to make them better.  But if we keep covering up our eyes and ears and chant "we are just as good as white people", we will never truly advance, and will, ironically, remain forever behind white people in terms of evolutionary fitness.




I have to admit you have guts to make that post, I'm not saying that the post is accurate or not, but you have guts. :lol:


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21888653 - 07/02/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Asians are way ahead of that other group, no doubt about it.



teeheehee, stone!  I am blushing now.

Although Asians are still behind white people.  This I admit.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: qman]
    #21888667 - 07/02/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I have to admit you have guts to make that post, I'm not saying that the post is accurate or not, but you have guts. :lol:



Omg!  My first post of recognition from Qman!


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: WAN]
    #21888673 - 07/02/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Guts is good but asante is watching like a hawk. "this one does not agree with political correctness, must be show the error of their ways"


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    #21888708 - 07/02/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I really hope the moderators here will not ban people based on whether that person's posts adhere to their worldviews and values.  My impression is that this forum is a place where people can say whatever they want without fear of being persecuted for their beliefs.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21888724 - 07/02/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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>What I DO support is a kind of action to be taken that allows for black people to rise beyond the point of disadvantage where it is now.

Aren't they "allowed" to rise up now? Or are you saying they have a handicap built in of some sort and need a crutch or wheelchair to get around in life? What kind of action do you support besides handouts and racist favoritism?

>Your point of view about race is upside down Stonehenge

That's what I would have said about you. I want equality of opportunity, you want equality of outcome.




Equality of opportunity...that's a really good point.  I think that many AA supporters might point out that AA is designed to provide a something comparable.  The idea is that minorities face hiring discrimination in the private sector.  Without even getting into numbers, this seems logical to some degree.  After all, if you were holding two outstanding resumes, and had to decide between them, would it make a difference to you if one was named Raymond, and the other was named Raekwon?  I'll bet it would.
I once had a boss that wouldn't hire a black guy because he was worried that he would make a racist joke or something and the guy would quit and make legal trouble for him. a lot of old timers are like that.
Anyway, the idea is that by giving some preference in hiring to minorities in the Public sector, it will offset some of the private sector racism.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21888734 - 07/02/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

From PBW's own link-  "People do not assume I got where I am professionally because of my race (or because of Affirmative Action programs)

In the attempt to make a argument for "white privilege", this moron stated the whole truth with this statement.

Even highly qualified blacks do NOT get the respect in their professional fields because everyone assumes they would never be in that position without a handout, that's NOT how you advance a group of people who might be disadvantaged.

Would you want a black attorney representing you in a serious criminal case?

Would you want a black doctor giving his medical expertise when your own life is on the line?

Would you want a black manager responsible for the survival of your own business?

The answer is NO for all of them because there's a very strong chance he's not qualified because people have given him special treatment for being in that position.


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    #21888751 - 07/02/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

Stonehenge said:
>What I DO support is a kind of action to be taken that allows for black people to rise beyond the point of disadvantage where it is now.

Aren't they "allowed" to rise up now? Or are you saying they have a handicap built in of some sort and need a crutch or wheelchair to get around in life? What kind of action do you support besides handouts and racist favoritism?

>Your point of view about race is upside down Stonehenge

That's what I would have said about you. I want equality of opportunity, you want equality of outcome.




Equality of opportunity...that's a really good point.  I think that many AA supporters might point out that AA is designed to provide a something comparable.  The idea is that minorities face hiring discrimination in the private sector.  Without even getting into numbers, this seems logical to some degree.  After all, if you were holding two outstanding resumes, and had to decide between them, would it make a difference to you if one was named Raymond, and the other was named Raekwon?  I'll bet it would.
I once had a boss that wouldn't hire a black guy because he was worried that he would make a racist joke or something and the guy would quit and make legal trouble for him. a lot of old timers are like that.
Anyway, the idea is that by giving some preference in hiring to minorities in the Public sector, it will offset some of the private sector racism.
It all follows a certain sort of logic, though it is distasteful to many




"will offset some of the private sector racism"

The racism in the private sector is on white people, blacks get preferential treatment in the private sector.  There are quotas in the private sector and that means putting highly unqualified minorities into positions they shouldn't be in, that's not good for anyone.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21888762 - 07/02/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Stonehenge said:
>What I DO support is a kind of action to be taken that allows for black people to rise beyond the point of disadvantage where it is now.

Aren't they "allowed" to rise up now? Or are you saying they have a handicap built in of some sort and need a crutch or wheelchair to get around in life? What kind of action do you support besides handouts and racist favoritism?

>Your point of view about race is upside down Stonehenge

That's what I would have said about you. I want equality of opportunity, you want equality of outcome.




Equality of opportunity...that's a really good point.  I think that many AA supporters might point out that AA is designed to provide a something comparable.  The idea is that minorities face hiring discrimination in the private sector.  Without even getting into numbers, this seems logical to some degree.  After all, if you were holding two outstanding resumes, and had to decide between them, would it make a difference to you if one was named Raymond, and the other was named Raekwon?  I'll bet it would.
I once had a boss that wouldn't hire a black guy because he was worried that he would make a racist joke or something and the guy would quit and make legal trouble for him. a lot of old timers are like that.
Anyway, the idea is that by giving some preference in hiring to minorities in the Public sector, it will offset some of the private sector racism.
It all follows a certain sort of logic, though it is distasteful to many




You are assuming that racism is "bad", and "must be off-set".  But guess what?  Racism is natural.  It is not bad, either.  Ever notice how super-hot blondes get preferential treatments from gents, all the time?  Its because of their good looks, and people treat other people differently according to their looks.  This isn't bad, this isn't unnatural.  In fact, I'd say this is just one of the ways that life works.

If I were a business owner, I would not want to hire black people either.  I would much rather hire blond boys because I like blond guys and by having them at work, I would possibly get the chance to date them.  Plus they make eye candies too, which is another bonus.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21888774 - 07/02/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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All of those things happened in the past.  As long as we the present-day people are careful not to repeat past atrocities, I don't see why we shouldn't embrace racism (and Truth).  The truth of the matter, is that some groups truly are less desirable (you can also say inferior here) than others.  This view is OK to promote and hold as long as we don't repeat the history.

In fact, if you people will come to see The Light, admitting that some races are inferior than others is actually a good thing.  It galvanizes you (or I should say, them) to want to do something about it.  And by this, I am referring to genetic manipulations of genomes.  Only by realizing and admitting that blacks and Asians are inferior to whites will we get on the true path to prosperity and success.  White people are lucky that their ancestors were faced with truly hostile environments that severely culled the herd, and this is why present-day white people have such superior genes.  But the rest of us shouldn't despair.  We now have, or soon will, the technology to re-write our genes, as to make them better.  But if we keep covering up our eyes and ears and chant "we are just as good as white people", we will never truly advance, and will, ironically, remain forever behind white people in terms of evolutionary fitness.




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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21888787 - 07/02/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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All of those things happened in the past.  As long as we the present-day people are careful not to repeat past atrocities, I don't see why we shouldn't embrace racism (and Truth).  The truth of the matter, is that some groups truly are less desirable (you can also say inferior here) than others.  This view is OK to promote and hold as long as we don't repeat the history.

In fact, if you people will come to see The Light, admitting that some races are inferior than others is actually a good thing.  It galvanizes you (or I should say, them) to want to do something about it.  And by this, I am referring to genetic manipulations of genomes.  Only by realizing and admitting that blacks and Asians are inferior to whites will we get on the true path to prosperity and success.  White people are lucky that their ancestors were faced with truly hostile environments that severely culled the herd, and this is why present-day white people have such superior genes.  But the rest of us shouldn't despair.  We now have, or soon will, the technology to re-write our genes, as to make them better.  But if we keep covering up our eyes and ears and chant "we are just as good as white people", we will never truly advance, and will, ironically, remain forever behind white people in terms of evolutionary fitness.




i wish i shared your optimism for humanity's being able to keep from repeating the past.  it hasn't worked out that way so far.




You can get personally involved and "guide" us to be on the "right" track, if you are so concerned.  Like I said, past atrocities need not be repeated, if we are mindful of them.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21888941 - 07/02/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You can get personally involved and "guide" us to be on the "right" track, if you are so concerned.  Like I said, past atrocities need not be repeated, if we are mindful of them.




yeah, i hear what you are saying, but its been said before.  Human behavior seems to change only by degrees throughout written history.  thats my take on it anyway.  If i had to "guide" anyone to this conclusion it would be by recommending that they read The Strategy of Indirect Approach by B.H. Liddel Hart.  which you can do for free here:
https://archive.org/stream/strategyofindire035126mbp#page/n9/mode/2up

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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: WAN]
    #21888955 - 07/02/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Also, to BallSalsa:

I believe you are committing some sort of logical fallacy when you said that racism would invariably lead to pogroms, wars, and genocides.  I believe this is called the slippery slope, or if not that, then jumping to hasty conclusion.  The fact is, the chances of racism leading to these things in our contemporary society, are very very slim, because (white) people are so highly sensitive when it comes to things like genocides.  They are dead-scared of being accused of being a murderous nazi that they will do whatever it takes to steer clear.  In other words, genocides mostly likely won't happen, so you are really worrying about nothing much.


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    #21888980 - 07/02/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

genocides are happening all over the world.  what are you talking about?


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    #21888986 - 07/02/15 04:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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genocides are happening all over the world.  what are you talking about?




Not in Western countries though.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: WAN]
    #21889003 - 07/02/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

right now.

if you had to guess, would you think that human history has been a perfect linear progression from living in caves to modern western society? or that there were many dark and backwards times scattered throughout?(some people think that these are the dark and backwards times)

If you guessed the latter, you would be correct.  I don't trust the future enough to say "well let's just be careful not to have any genocides, and then racism will be cool"


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21889028 - 07/02/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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right now.

if you had to guess, would you think that human history has been a perfect linear progression from living in caves to modern western society? or that there were many dark and backwards times scattered throughout?(some people think that these are the dark and backwards times)

If you guessed the latter, you would be correct.  I don't trust the future enough to say "well let's just be careful not to have any genocides, and then racism will be cool"



Can you prove that racism will always, invariably, lead to genocides?

I think you are being overly cautious.  And that you think too lowly of your fellow whites (I am assuming your white).  Do you think that the minute they start to embrace racism, the first thing they will do is to become murderous psychopaths?

I can think of a million things to for them to do that don't carry this kind of bad PR.


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    #21889106 - 07/02/15 05:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Black teenagers version of shopping at Wal-Mart. http://abcnews.go.com/US/georgia-teens-ransack-walmart/story?id=32180936


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    #21889164 - 07/02/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Of course if the story ever makes it into the media they will sanitize it by saying some "youths" did it carefully avoiding the obvious. I see so many stories where they describe the suspect to a T but avoid mentioning certain things. Like "he wore a light shirt with dark pants, stood about 6' tall" They forget to mention race because that might make people prejudiced.

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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21889178 - 07/02/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Of course if the story ever makes it into the media they will sanitize it by saying some "youths" did it carefully avoiding the obvious. I see so many stories where they describe the suspect to a T but avoid mentioning certain things. Like "he wore a light shirt with dark pants, stood about 6' tall" They forget to mention race because that might make people prejudiced.

Just another example of black privilege.




Someone just canceled the thread on this Wal-Mart story in the pub for no reason, good job Mods, if you delete a story it never happened.  :cookiemonster:


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    #21889198 - 07/02/15 05:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Stonehenge said:
Of course if the story ever makes it into the media they will sanitize it by saying some "youths" did it carefully avoiding the obvious. I see so many stories where they describe the suspect to a T but avoid mentioning certain things. Like "he wore a light shirt with dark pants, stood about 6' tall" They forget to mention race because that might make people prejudiced.

Just another example of black privilege.




Someone just canceled the thread on this Wal-Mart story in the pub for no reason, good job Mods, if you delete a story it never happened.  :cookiemonster:




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    #21889298 - 07/02/15 06:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

To BallSalsa:

I just figured out what the logical fallacy it is that you are committing.  Ok maybe it's not a real fallacy but it sure is a bad, irrational way of thinking:  I believe that you are speaking out of hysteria when it comes to racism.  You think that if people embrace racism, they will all invariably turn into genocidal maniacs.  This line of thinking is very similar to that of prohibitionists of alcohol.  Basically they said that the consumption of alcohol would lead to violence and crime, so they wanted it banned.  But what they didn't realize was that some people were capable of using alcohol responsibly.

You are acting very much like these early prohibitionists.  They acted out of hysteria, and so do you.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: WAN]
    #21889332 - 07/02/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

invariably? no.

quite often? sure.

i gonna cite a bunch of examples now.

http://endgenocide.org/learn/past-genocides/

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Beginning in 1915, ethnic Armenians living in the Ottoman Empire were rounded up, deported and executed on orders of the government.

The combination of massacres, forced deportation marches and deaths due to disease in concentration camps is estimated to have killed more than 1 million ethnic Armenians, Assyrians and Greeks between 1915 and 1923.

After coming to power in 1933, Germany's Nazi Party implemented a highly organized strategy of persecution, murder and genocide aimed at ethnically "purifying" Germany, a plan Hitler called the “Final Solution”.

Six million Jews and five million Slavs, Roma, disabled, Jehovah’s Witnesses, homosexuals, and political and religious dissidents were killed during the Holocaust.

Civil war broke out in Rwanda in 1990, exacerbating tensions between the Tutsi minority and Hutu majority.

In 1994, returning from a round of talks, Rwandan President Juvenal Habyarimana was killed when his plane was shot down outside of the country’s capital, Kigali.

Habyarimana’s death provided the spark for an organized campaign of violence against Tutsi and moderate Hutu civilians across the country.

Beginning in 1991, Yugoslavia began to break up along ethnic lines.

When the republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina (Bosnia) declared independence in 1992 the region quickly became the central theater of fighting.

The Serbs targeted Bosniak and Croatian civilians in areas under their control in a campaign of ethnic cleansing. The war in Bosnia claimed the lives of an estimated 100,000 people.

Over a decade ago the Government of Sudan carried out genocide against Darfuri civilians, murdering 300,000 & displacing over 2 million people.

In addition to the ongoing crisis in Darfur, forces under the command of Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir have carried out attacks against civilians in the disputed Abyei territory, and the states of South Kordofan and Blue Nile.




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genocides, prevention of genocide has absolute
priority. When it comes to civil war one
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about – it might indeed even be about
preventing
genocide. 
Policies to prevent genocide
Since civil war itself is one of the predisposin
g conditions which can give rise to genocide,
policies which effectively prev
ent civil war should also cont
ribute to the prevention of
genocide.  Moreover, many of the
policies that are likely to prevent civil war also are likely
to reduce the risk of genocide. 
Countries at risk of genocidal
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centralised, with very few check
s on power; and they are likely
to exclude significant groups
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    #21889350 - 07/02/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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invariably? no.

quite often? sure.

i gonna cite a bunch of examples now.





I edited out a large part of your post as not to confuse any readers. 

Basically, you are admitting that racism does NOT invariably lead to genocides, right?

Also, did you see this post:

Quote:

To BallSalsa:

I just figured out what the logical fallacy it is that you are committing.  Ok maybe it's not a real fallacy but it sure is a bad, irrational way of thinking:  I believe that you are speaking out of hysteria when it comes to racism.  You think that if people embrace racism, they will all invariably turn into genocidal maniacs.  This line of thinking is very similar to that of prohibitionists of alcohol.  Basically they said that the consumption of alcohol would lead to violence and crime, so they wanted it banned.  But what they didn't realize was that some people were capable of using alcohol responsibly.

You are acting very much like these early prohibitionists.  They acted out of hysteria, and so do you.




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    #21889395 - 07/02/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

that is correct. nothing is absolute when youre talking about human behavior, so it is conceivable that there could be a thoroughly racist society that does not commit genocide.

and yes, i saw the other post. i don't think it is hysterical at all to say that racism can contribute to genocide(or other violence).  :shrug:

and to be clear, i don't think you should be denied your right to think or say racist things.  I do think it is important to try to reason with people and eliminate or reduce racism where possible.  I admit that visual racial traits are an easy way to divide people into groups, but i respectfully submit that individual merit is a better(if more difficult)way to classify people


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21889416 - 07/02/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree


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    #21889430 - 07/02/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Actually, to add:

You didn't say that racism "can" lead to violence/pogrom/genocides, etc.  you said that it "leads" to those things.


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    #21889505 - 07/02/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

now i have clarified my position.

I readily admit that racism seems natural, as natural as theft, rape, and murder.  The thing about it is that civilization is arguably based on inhibiting nature(including natural urges like racism, theft, rape, and murder).  In my mind, the ability to overcome our baser nature is what separates man from beast(though we aren't always equal to the task). 

I will end my side of this debate with (what else?) a bible verse

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7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

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    #21889513 - 07/02/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

^I disagree that racism is bad and is tantamount to rape, murder, war etc.  It is natural, though.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: WAN]
    #21889672 - 07/02/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Black privilege is not a thing, because despite what measures we've taken to level the playing field, I would still prefer to be white! Life is easier for me as a white man.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21889704 - 07/02/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Black privilege is not a thing, because despite what measures we've taken to level the playing field, I would still prefer to be white! Life is easier for me as a white man.



And would you not want that privilege to be passed down to your children, your children's children, and on and on and on?

Think of the life of your half-Kuwait brother.  Is that the kind of life you want your children to experience?


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    #21889748 - 07/02/15 07:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Black privilege is not a thing,




Typical left wing denial of reality. And how does he justify it?

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because despite what measures we've taken to level the playing field, I would still prefer to be white! Life is easier for me as a white man.




Which you don't know, have no idea about and just say out of knee jerk ideology. The playing field is no longer level, its slanted in favor of blacks and certain other groups. Rich blacks get the same racist benefits as poor ones, how does that level anything?

If you want to disagree with something more than an opinion, lets see some facts? I know you folks don't like them but lets look at facts.


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If you want to disagree with something more than an opinion, lets see some facts? I know you folks don't like them but lets look at facts.




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Black privilege is not a thing, because despite what measures we've taken to level the playing field, I would still prefer to be white! Life is easier for me as a white man.



And would you not want that privilege to be passed down to your children, your children's children, and on and on and on?

Think of the life of your half-Kuwait brother.  Is that the kind of life you want your children to experience?




My brother is an incredible human being. I want his children to have everything that mine would (I will not be having children). Sadly, that is unlikely.


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Black privilege is not a thing,




Typical left wing denial of reality. And how does he justify it?

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because despite what measures we've taken to level the playing field, I would still prefer to be white! Life is easier for me as a white man.




Which you don't know, have no idea about and just say out of knee jerk ideology. The playing field is no longer level, its slanted in favor of blacks and certain other groups. Rich blacks get the same racist benefits as poor ones, how does that level anything?

If you want to disagree with something more than an opinion, lets see some facts? I know you folks don't like them but lets look at facts.




Sorry stoney, but I do have facts. I like being able to hail a cab easier than blacks, fact. I like seeing my race run the country I live in, fact. I like that I have wealthy relatives, and all of the benefits from that (which black folks generally don't have). I like that I can go work in a machine shop full of 'good ol' boys' and as long as I keep my liberal views to myself, nobody will try to get me fired for my skin color, like a blacm person (I speak from experience). I like that I am significantly more likely to get interviewed for a job, because I have a caucasian sounding name. I like that police won't ever 'stop and frisk' me because of my skin color. I like that my race has been established as the standard for beauty in our society. I like that I don't lower property value just by living in certain neighborhoods. I like that if I were religious, I could go to church and not have my church shot up. I like that if I chase black pussy nobody bats an eye, or shows aggression toward me.

I could go on and on. These are facts, my friend.


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    #21889995 - 07/02/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Woof, oh woof. I think your heart is in the right place but you see everything from a certain viewpoint only. I think you have some points, being a member of a group known to steal means you get watched more than others. I know exactly what its like. Teenagers are treated exactly that way in my experience as a teen. Its not fair to some but the average teen was kind of unreliable so people saw all of them that way. What is the remedy to that situation?

Should teens be given the same rights as adults and if not, is that discrimination? Before someone tells us discrimination is not illegal unless blah blah blah, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about is it right to discriminate against a group based on the habits of the average of the group? Like teens in general? Or like black people in general? Or black teens in general? Is watching someone more carefully harassment or why would it be wrong? You want to discuss issues or just rant?


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    #21890019 - 07/02/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Stone has a very good point (again!).  Take insurance, for example.  These life insurance companies charge young males the highest premiums, because this group  of people have the highest rate of un-safe driving tendencies (they like to race and things like that).  And even though my brother is not at all like that (he drives very cautiously and will never in a million years race against anybody), but he still  has to pay for those outrageously high premiums, if he wants to purchase insurance policies.

People make generalizations about all kinds of people and all groups.  It's just the way life is.  You can cry about how it's wrong, how its not fair but it won't change peoples behavior/s one bit.


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    #21890317 - 07/02/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Maturity is a very different measure than skin color, and no, teens should not be given the rights of an adult. Teens shouldn't be president of the united states, either.

Is your argument that black people are equivalent to teenagers on some level?

I don't 'cry that it's unfair', however, it is wrong to treat people differently on a racial basis.

Honestly, the white people I've known break laws equally if not more often than the black people I've known. Black folks are disproportionately stopped, searched, charged and imprisoned. Then you want to say 'see! They'z criminals!'. I watched it in my own neighborhood. My white friends would get piddly plea deals for MIP's, and my black friends would get long probationary periods, which led them to receive more trouble if they slipped up. My white friends also got offered deferments at a disproportionate frequency. I got searched more often growing up, when I was with my black friends.

This issue is so much deeper than you people realize. Actually, I think you are very well aware of how much you are oversimplifying it, but you have some urge to justify hate and bigotry. The 21st century will not be so kind to you as centuries passed.


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    #21890325 - 07/02/15 10:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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1 yet the supreme court has upheld it again and again, we've also been over this quite a bit in another thread.  can you backup your claim that AA is racism? 





I will repeat a post I just made elsewhere, just so you are aware, that when LBJ expanded affirmative action in 1965, he is also quoted as having said 'I'll have those n.....gers' voting democrat for the next 200 years'

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1 yet the supreme court has upheld it again and again, we've also been over this quite a bit in another thread.  can you backup your claim that AA is racism? 





I will repeat a post I just made elsewhere, just so you are aware, that when LBJ expanded affirmative action in 1965, he is also quoted as having said 'I'll have those n.....gers' voting democrat for the next 200 years'

There's the point of AA, exactly.  :smirk:




I'm not denying that this was said, but I'd like to see a reference.


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    #21890379 - 07/02/15 10:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

http://yourblackbloggers.net/2012/10/featured-blogger/ill-have-those-niggers-voting-democratic-for-the-next-200-years-lyndon-b-johnson/


just search bing or google, there are hundreds of references to that quote.  Of course you would never hear it in the mainstream.


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That's funny, and certainly interesting.


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    #21890464 - 07/02/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Sorry stoney, but I do have facts. I like being able to hail a cab easier than blacks, fact.




is that white privilege or is that experience, personal and anecdotal. what
percentage of cabbies are robbed by whites?


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I like seeing my race run the country I live in, fact. I like that I have wealthy relatives, and all of the benefits from that (which black folks generally don't have).




so all whites are wealthy and all blacks are poor?

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I like that I can go work in a machine shop full of 'good ol' boys' and as long as I keep my liberal views to myself, nobody will try to get me fired for my skin color, like a blacm person (I speak from experience).




so now you arent white, you're black, have you considered a job with the NAACP,
I hear they hire white black people... or is it black white people
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I like that police won't ever 'stop and frisk' me because of my skin color.





hahahaha... such horse shit, I've been through this hundreds of times and I
live in the south where the cops are supposed to be much more racist than
anywhere else in the nation


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I like that my race has been established as the standard for beauty in our society. I like that I don't lower property value just by living in certain neighborhoods. I like that if I were religious, I could go to church and not have my church shot up. I like that if I chase black pussy nobody bats an eye, or shows aggression toward me.

I could go on and on. These are facts, my friend.





no, these arent facts. this is just evidence of your own racism and your
bullshitting based of liberal talking points about discrimination


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http://yourblackbloggers.net/2012/10/featured-blogger/ill-have-those-niggers-voting-democratic-for-the-next-200-years-lyndon-b-johnson/


just search bing or google, there are hundreds of references to that quote.  Of course you would never hear it in the mainstream.





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1 yet the supreme court has upheld it again and again, we've also been over this quite a bit in another thread.  can you backup your claim that AA is racism? 





I will repeat a post I just made elsewhere, just so you are aware, that when LBJ expanded affirmative action in 1965, he is also quoted as having said 'I'll have those n.....gers' voting democrat for the next 200 years'

There's the point of AA, exactly.  :smirk:




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wow, what a strategy, gain the blacks, and lose the white south.

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I think you misunderstood my entire post. Your point about the NAACP was funny though ;-)


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    #21892112 - 07/03/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

New question related to the OP. Does women's privilege exist?

They get quotas, set asides, and other special privileges.
They get reduced sentences for crimes compared to males.
They get the house, kids, child support, alimony etc in divorce.


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I believe women don't get drafted either, correct?


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Stop it guys. This will end in people killing people.




That's a nice looking bullet :eek:

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    #21892334 - 07/03/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Theres nothing particularly Republican about appreciation of firearms. If my country had firearms laws I'd be a happy gun owner.

Guns are fun.



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    #21892370 - 07/03/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So, nobody has denied black privilege exists. No one denies women have privileges though both groups constantly demand more and more handouts, special favors, etc. Am I correct in assuming that I am right and silence from the left means consent?

In addition to not being drafted, and the other things I mentioned.

Women get fewer traffic tickets than men
Are murdered less often

Asante, where is your support for women's rights?


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    #21892371 - 07/03/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I don't have any problem with guns, I just think people who are known to be violent or psychotic shouldn't have access to them. I also think parents of kids who get into their guns and shoot people should be charged with murder also. If guns are used responsibly, I have no problem.


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    #21892382 - 07/03/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So, nobody has denied black privilege exists. No one denies women have privileges though both groups constantly demand more and more handouts, special favors, etc. Am I correct in assuming that I am right and silence from the left means consent?

In addition to not being drafted, and the other things I mentioned.

Women get fewer traffic tickets than men
Are murdered less often

Asante, where is your support for women's rights?




Society has afforded some level of 'privilege' for black people, however, I do believe white privilege trumps black privilege. As I have stated, I would much rather be a white guy. Shit, I can go on a forum and have an asian women say I am superior to her based on my skin color.


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    #21905568 - 07/06/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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>3 doesn't happen (3. Quotas at colleges)

I knew you were dizzy but I thought you had some clue. Racial quotas at many universities are a well known subject, we've discussed it on the boards many times. Fail once again.

>4 doesn't happen in the private sector (4. Quotas imposed on business)

The private sector IS business and if they don't hire enough negroes or whatever group is "lacking" they get sued by the us dept of injustice and have to pay tons of money.





The Supreme Court struck down quotas.  Not sure where you get your information.  Can you provide sources?

http://www.civilrights.org/resources/civilrights101/affirmaction.html?referrer=https://www.google.com/

http://www.ncsl.org/research/education/affirmative-action-court-decisions.aspx

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>5 maybe whites should quit committing so many hate crimes

Most hate crimes are committed by blacks or Hispanics. What do you think it was when the rioters went looking for whites to beat up and rob? Just having a little fun?




Most?  I'm sure some of this does go on but can you provide evidence that backs up your claim?


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pbw, you don't care about facts, you will just sneer at whatever sources are given and find fault somehow.




ad hominem.  The only source you've ever used with me is wikipedia and some dictionary site.  Both of which contradicted your own argument.  I was fine with the sources, they just didn't support your argument the way you thought.

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/justice-dept-sue-north-carolina-alleged-racial-discrimination-tough-new-voting-rules-article-1.1471624

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2015/03/30/justice-dept-sues-a-university-for-firing-a-professor-who-switched-gender/

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-owners-and-manager-rental-homes-north-carolina-engaging-race




I'll look over these.

*edit*  Umm...  these are all cases where someone is being sued for discrimination.  I don't see how this supports any of your arguments.


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    #21905767 - 07/06/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No, not someone but the govt suing universities and businesses for alleged discrimination based on the fact they didn't fill their quotas. Quotas don't exist but if you miss them, comes a lawsuit and big expenses. They don't have quotas any more, they renamed them to something else, "targets" or some bullshit.


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    #21907079 - 07/06/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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No, not someone but the govt suing universities and businesses for alleged discrimination based on the fact they didn't fill their quotas. Quotas don't exist but if you miss them, comes a lawsuit and big expenses. They don't have quotas any more, they renamed them to something else, "targets" or some bullshit.




He missed the thread when I proved it a few hundred times and 1-2 still refused the evidence based on nothing more than spite. :lol:


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    #21908618 - 07/07/15 07:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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No, not someone but the govt suing universities and businesses for alleged discrimination based on the fact they didn't fill their quotas. Quotas don't exist but if you miss them, comes a lawsuit and big expenses. They don't have quotas any more, they renamed them to something else, "targets" or some bullshit.




Not for quotas.  One is a landlord not fixing his African-American tenants property.  Another is a school firing a transgender woman for wanting to transition.  The third was voter discrimination via voter ID laws.

Anyway if that's the best you got I'm done.  You're either crazy or a troll.  Either way there's no point argueing with you.


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    #21908649 - 07/07/15 08:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The message is very clear to companies, don't hire enough females or minorities and get sued for "discrimination", that's called quotas in disguise.


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    #21908684 - 07/07/15 08:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The message is very clear to companies, don't hire enough females or minorities and get sued for "discrimination", that's called quotas in disguise.




That's not what happened.  Read the articles Stonehenge posted. 

A male professor was hired.  He decided he wanted to transition to a woman.  The head of HR wanted to fire him because having a transperson's around was offensive to the HR person's 'religious beliefs'.  That's not a quota, that's flat out discrimination.

North Carolina scaled back early voting and imposed strict voter ID laws.  The justice department sued them.  Again nothing to do remotely with quotas.

I'll just quote the third case.

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The complaint, filed in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of North Carolina, names Cochran and three related corporate entities – EKP LLC, WRC LLC and Emlan Properties LLC – that own or owned the various properties managed by Cochran.  The complaint alleges that Cochran delayed or refused to perform maintenance or repairs at properties rented by African-Americans and refused to credit them for repairs they paid for or made themselves; verbally harassed African-American tenants with racial slurs and epithets, having made statements indicating that he disfavored African-American tenants; and threatened, harassed and retaliated against African-American tenants who resisted his discriminatory housing practices.




Again no quotas.  No one was being sued for not renting to blacks but rather how they treated the blacks they did rent too.

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The message is very clear to companies, don't hire enough females or minorities and get sued for "discrimination", that's called quotas in disguise.




That's not what happened.  Read the articles Stonehenge posted. 

A male professor was hired.  He decided he wanted to transition to a woman.  The head of HR wanted to fire him because having a transperson's around was offensive to the HR person's 'religious beliefs'.  That's not a quota, that's flat out discrimination.

North Carolina scaled back early voting and imposed strict voter ID laws.  The justice department sued them.  Again nothing to do remotely with quotas.

I'll just quote the third case.

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The complaint, filed in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of North Carolina, names Cochran and three related corporate entities – EKP LLC, WRC LLC and Emlan Properties LLC – that own or owned the various properties managed by Cochran.  The complaint alleges that Cochran delayed or refused to perform maintenance or repairs at properties rented by African-Americans and refused to credit them for repairs they paid for or made themselves; verbally harassed African-American tenants with racial slurs and epithets, having made statements indicating that he disfavored African-American tenants; and threatened, harassed and retaliated against African-American tenants who resisted his discriminatory housing practices.




Again no quotas.  No one was being sued for not renting to blacks but rather how they treated the blacks they did rent too.

I stand by my assertion.  Stonehenge is either trolling or flat out crazy.




I'm not talking out those cases, I'm talking about the EEOC in general.


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    #21908741 - 07/07/15 08:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The Supreme Court overturned quotas in Gratz v Bollinger.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratz_v._Bollinger

I've worked in the private sector in a capacity that required me to interview and hire applicants.  The EEOC isn't about quotas and isn't enforced via them.  If it was Facebook would be getting sued right now.

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The Supreme Court overturned quotas in Gratz v Bollinger.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratz_v._Bollinger

I've worked in the private sector in a capacity that required me to interview and hire applicants.  The EEOC isn't about quotas and isn't enforced via them.  If it was Facebook would be getting sued right now.

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jun/25/facebook-diversity-report-black-white-women-employees




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    #21908767 - 07/07/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

As they should.  It's not only a smart business decision it's good for society as a whole.

Read the article.


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As they should.  It's not only a smart business decision it's good for society as a whole.

Read the article.




Why is being forced to hire unqualified employees "a smart business decision"?  It's not.

"it's good for society as a whole"

No it's not, the unqualified minority feels embarrassed about their incompetency and the moral of the other employees drops off a cliff.


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    #21908830 - 07/07/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You didn't read the article or you did and you're strawmanning.

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“There’s more work to do. We remain deeply committed to building a workplace that reflects a broad range of experience, thought, geography, age, background, gender, sexual orientation, language, culture and many other characteristics,” she said. It’s a big task, one that will take time to achieve, but our whole company continues to embrace this challenge.”

In May Zuckerberg said: “We have the same talent bar for everyone. But we want to find a disproportionate number of candidates who are women and minorities.”

He has also said that there is “just so much research that shows that diverse teams perform better at anything you’re trying to do”.

“It’s this problem because it’s not even clear where you would start attacking it. You need to start earlier in the funnel so that girls don’t self-select out of doing computer science education, but at the same time, one of the big reasons why today we have this issue is that there aren’t a lot of women in the field today.”




No one is talking about unqualified applicants.  In fact this is part of the reason affirmative action exists, so we have more diverse qualified applicants.

And yes, it is good for business and society.  Facebook for instance is a huge social media corporation.  Having most of your business perspective come from white cis males is a very narrow view from which to grow a business, especially one like Facebook.

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You didn't read the article or you did and you're strawmanning.

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“There’s more work to do. We remain deeply committed to building a workplace that reflects a broad range of experience, thought, geography, age, background, gender, sexual orientation, language, culture and many other characteristics,” she said. It’s a big task, one that will take time to achieve, but our whole company continues to embrace this challenge.”

In May Zuckerberg said: “We have the same talent bar for everyone. But we want to find a disproportionate number of candidates who are women and minorities.”

He has also said that there is “just so much research that shows that diverse teams perform better at anything you’re trying to do”.

“It’s this problem because it’s not even clear where you would start attacking it. You need to start earlier in the funnel so that girls don’t self-select out of doing computer science education, but at the same time, one of the big reasons why today we have this issue is that there aren’t a lot of women in the field today.”




No one is talking about unqualified applicants.  In fact this is part of the reason affirmative action exists, so we have more diverse qualified applicants.

And yes, it is good for business and society.  Facebook for instance is a huge social media corporation.  Having most of your business perspective come from white cis males is a very narrow view from which to grow a business, especially one like Facebook.

The same reasoning applies to society as a whole.




So if the idea for hiring minorities is so good, why has Facebook avoided it so much?  They didn't become a $240 billion company because they mismanage.  :lol:


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    #21908870 - 07/07/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

They're not avoiding it.  In fact they're embracing it.  There's just no one to hire.

Anyway there's no feds busting down Facebook's door and no one is suing them.  There's no quotas.  You guys can take off your tinfoil hats now.  Or go post in the conspiracy forum.  Doesn't matter to me.


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They're not avoiding it.  In fact they're embracing it.  There's just no one to hire.

Anyway there's no feds busting down Facebook's door and no one is suing them.  There's no quotas.  You guys can take off your tinfoil hats now.  Or go post in the conspiracy forum.  Doesn't matter to me.




Yet, the company has to file a EEO report and is now addressing the lack of diversity.  If their demographics didn't matter, why the effort to make change within the company?

"There's no quotas"

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    #21908943 - 07/07/15 09:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The message is very clear to companies, don't hire enough females or minorities and get sued for "discrimination", that's called quotas in disguise.




Before hiring we are clearly told to look for females and minorities.  Our HR, and company culture, is to interview a female or minority who has a shred of qualification.  For a white male to be interviewed he needs to be very qualified and experienced.  I'm not sure that this is for fear of discrimination lawsuits, I think its the culture of white guilt and black privilege.  They all just march along it as though its the way things have to be (and should be).

I've seen women and minorities have institutionalized advantages over me my whole life.  My observations and feelings don't count though.  :shrug:


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    #21908952 - 07/07/15 09:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

All companies with 100+ employees or that make more than $50,000 a year have to file EOO reports.

http://www.eeoc.gov/employers/eeo1survey/faq.cfm

Mark explained the reason they want more diversity.  I'm sure not wanting to appear discriminatory is good too.  Here's another article from Facebook on the company's stance.

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All companies with 100+ employees or that make more than $50,000 a year have to file EOO reports.

http://www.eeoc.gov/employers/eeo1survey/faq.cfm

Mark explained the reason they want more diversity.  I'm sure not wanting to appear discriminatory is good too.  Here's another article from Facebook on the company's stance.

https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2015/06/driving-diversity-at-facebook/




Facebook is dealing with the issue the best they can AFTER the fact, if you can't see that reality I don't what to tell you. 

Mark is a businessman, he knows all the right things to say in public, why would you ever think his words are sincere?  :rofl2:


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You could supply a link supporting your quotas argument.

So far all we have is a large business not being sued even though they're mostly hiring white males.

Rather Mark says what he does because it's good PR or because he means what he says is really another discussion.  For the record I believe it's a bit of both.


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The message is very clear to companies, don't hire enough females or minorities and get sued for "discrimination", that's called quotas in disguise.




Before hiring we are clearly told to look for females and minorities.  Our HR, and company culture, is to interview a female or minority who has a shred of qualification.  For a white male to be interviewed he needs to be very qualified and experienced.  I'm not sure that this is for fear of discrimination lawsuits, I think its the culture of white guilt and black privilege.  They all just march along it as though its the way things have to be (and should be).

I've seen women and minorities have institutionalized advantages over me my whole life.  My observations and feelings don't count though.  :shrug:




Yes, but the left wing loonies can't see the forest for the trees. They call discrimination and quotas something else and tell you it doesn't exist.


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I know.  I keep my mouth shut at work and back in school.  I just bow my head in shame along with everyone else when the lecture bemoaning our lack of skin color and genital diversity starts.


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I know.  I keep my mouth shut at work and back in school.  I just bow my head in shame along with everyone else when the lecture bemoaning our lack of skin color and genital diversity starts.




Its really pathetic that so many sheep have been trained to put themselves down. It reminds me of mao's little red book and the effort to reshape society to idiotic ideology.


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When I worked at a place on a reservation the indians couldn't be fired or it was really hard.. like tribal council had to approve. They only get probation periods. They clock in, go home and drink, then arrive to clock out. Ain't that some shit... I still don't even know how that worked....


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I know.  I keep my mouth shut at work and back in school.  I just bow my head in shame along with everyone else when the lecture bemoaning our lack of skin color and genital diversity starts.




Genital diversity? I know they say black men have larger cocks, but I didn't realize that was part of this discussion. Now that I think about it though, maybe penis envy is the real reason so many of you folks adopt your racist ideology.


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When I worked at a place on a reservation the indians couldn't be fired or it was really hard.. like tribal council had to approve. They only get probation periods. They clock in, go home and drink, then arrive to clock out. Ain't that some shit... I still don't even know how that worked....




Think about it this way. When you go to a different country, say Sweden, for shits n gigs, the Swedish citizens have first priority when it comes to hiring people. If there isn't a Swedish person who can do the job, they'll allow a foreigner to do it.

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Way off buddy. I don't think clocking in and leaving to go drink then coming back is them being more qualified. One thing if they were really working and doing their job I would have no problem with it. The problem lies in the fact that they don't work and don't get punished while you are held up to a standard.


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Way off buddy. I don't think clocking in and leaving to go drink then coming back is them being more qualified. One thing if they were really working and doing their job I would have no problem with it. The problem lies in the fact that they don't work and don't get punished while you are held up to a standard.




I don't think I was off at all. My point was that Native Americans, for better or worse, take care of their own.

I completely understand your point, and your frustration, but that's just the way it is.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21915019 - 07/08/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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When I worked at a place on a reservation the indians couldn't be fired or it was really hard.. like tribal council had to approve. They only get probation periods. They clock in, go home and drink, then arrive to clock out. Ain't that some shit... I still don't even know how that worked....




Think about it this way. When you go to a different country, say Sweden, for shits n gigs, the Swedish citizens have first priority when it comes to hiring people. If there isn't a Swedish person who can do the job, they'll allow a foreigner to do it.

The Natives have their own laws for self-preservation.




So that means Americans should have first dibs on jobs here, right?

I live close to a native reservation and gorlax is right, most of them have massive drinking problems on a level I can't nearly understand. Is it genetics that make them so susceptible to alcoholic addiction, that's my theory. But again I do not understand there very deep relationship with alcohol.

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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21915030 - 07/08/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I know.  I keep my mouth shut at work and back in school.  I just bow my head in shame along with everyone else when the lecture bemoaning our lack of skin color and genital diversity starts.




Genital diversity?




I say it like that to highlight that the diversity the left seeks is skin and genital deep.  They are not looking for "real" diversity, as in diversity of background, skills, perspectives, language, beliefs, religion, etc.  They only care about your gentiles and skin color.  The diversity they seek is shallow and not helpful.


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    #21915150 - 07/08/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I live close to a native reservation and gorlax is right, most of them have massive drinking problems on a level I can't nearly understand. Is it genetics that make them so susceptible to alcoholic addiction, that's my theory. But again I do not understand there very deep relationship with alcohol.





Addiction is showing to be more about environment than genetics.  So kill off their way of life, treat them like second class citizens, give them tiny plots of land with little natural resources...

I think I'd want to drink too.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21915961 - 07/08/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Here is a question for you to run away from. What disadvantage? I made a compelling case for black privilege, a video of homo activity does not dispute any of it.






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    #21916003 - 07/08/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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give them tiny plots of land with little natural resources...

I think I'd want to drink too.




That's more than I ever got...  These days members of tribes have more rights and privileges than white citizens.  I worked on a rez for a few years.  I am not allowed to move there without permission because of my genetics and skin color.  Tribe members are free to come and go from the rez as they like.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: DieCommie]
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give them tiny plots of land with little natural resources...

I think I'd want to drink too.




That's more than I ever got...  These days members of tribes have more rights and privileges than white citizens.  I worked on a rez for a few years.  I am not allowed to move there without permission because of my genetics and skin color.  Tribe members are free to come and go from the rez as they like.




Native Americans deserve a piece of what we violently stole from them. If we divided our land more equitably, we could all have a piece too.


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    #21917984 - 07/09/15 03:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Native Americans deserve a piece of what we violently stole from them. If we divided our land more equitably, we could all have a piece too.




really? no injun alive today had anything stolen from them... I'm sure if I dig back in my history, I can find some ancestors that had some nasty shit done to them too, don't see me crying about it...

are the mexicans gonna demand reperations from Spain? Maybe the French should give canada back too?

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    #21918480 - 07/09/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>If we divided our land more equitably, we could all have a piece too.

That and the remark that sanders is only "one digit" behind hitlery is why you keep getting the loony left label.


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    #21918494 - 07/09/15 08:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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give them tiny plots of land with little natural resources...

I think I'd want to drink too.




That's more than I ever got...  These days members of tribes have more rights and privileges than white citizens.  I worked on a rez for a few years.  I am not allowed to move there without permission because of my genetics and skin color.  Tribe members are free to come and go from the rez as they like.




Native Americans deserve a piece of what we violently stole from them. If we divided our land more equitably, we could all have a piece too.




I stole no land and committed no violence.  When you say "we" and lump me in with others just because my skin color that makes you the disgusting bigot.  Fuck off with your accusations and speak for yourself.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21918595 - 07/09/15 09:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Native Americans deserve a piece of what we violently stole from them. If we divided our land more equitably, we could all have a piece too.




So your issue isn't that a few hundred years ago some people, while acting under the beliefs of the times, stole the land... it's that they didn't steal it equitably.

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    #21924228 - 07/10/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think a lot of the mindsets illustrated in this article extend into the present, rather consciously or subconsciously, and drive a lot of our biases.

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    #21933330 - 07/12/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Or is it a fantasy like the left would have us believe? Lets take a look at the facts. Did I just hear all the leftists groan? Yes, much as they hate facts they need to face them. Is black privilege real? First lets list the reasons why it is.

1. Affirmative action
2. Racial set asides
3. Quotas at colleges
4. Quotas imposed on business
5. Hate crime laws used virtually only on whites

That is a pretty damn strong argument in favor of black privilege. In fact it does seem to prove it since those programs both official and unofficial are known to exist. What can you left wingers tell us to establish the mythical white privilege? Where are the laws favoring whites?

White privilege = myth
Black privilege = fact




How about the fact that there is a much higher number of black people in prison for non-violent crimes, marijuana possession for example, than white people?  How about the fact that because of this, many young black kids grow up without fathers?

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    #21933436 - 07/12/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>How about the fact that there is a much higher number of black people in prison for non-violent crimes, marijuana possession for example, than white people?  How about the fact that because of this, many young black kids grow up without fathers?

Whose fault is that? Is it white people's fault blacks commit crimes more often? Black kids grow up without fathers because their fathers don't give a damn.


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    #21933519 - 07/12/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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>How about the fact that there is a much higher number of black people in prison for non-violent crimes, marijuana possession for example, than white people?  How about the fact that because of this, many young black kids grow up without fathers?

Whose fault is that? Is it white people's fault blacks commit crimes more often? Black kids grow up without fathers because their fathers don't give a damn.




There are more white people that possess drugs than black people, yet there are more black people in jail for drug possession.  Sure, black people commit more violent crimes (which can be explained in other ways than to say black people are more inherently violent), that's why I specified non-violent for the purpose of this example.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: clam_dude]
    #21933530 - 07/12/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The funny thing is that it's because of people like you that there need to be programs like affirmative action in the first place.


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    #21933550 - 07/12/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, black violent crime is white people's fault too because there was slavery a few hundred years ago. Got any other nonsense to share?


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: clam_dude]
    #21933555 - 07/12/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The funny thing is that it's because of people like you that there need to be programs like affirmative action in the first place.




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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21933766 - 07/12/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah, black violent crime is white people's fault too because there was slavery a few hundred years ago. Got any other nonsense to share?




Why don't you address my initial point about the non-violent crimes?

Btw, slavery ended just 150 years ago, or 5 or 6 generations.  And nobody is saying that white people today are all responsible for black crimes.  Pretty much everything you say is a distortion of reality.  Nothing worse than a racist who can't even form a proper argument.


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>Nothing worse than a racist who can't even form a proper argument.

You just shot yourself in the foot.


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    #21934129 - 07/12/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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>Nothing worse than a racist who can't even form a proper argument.

You just shot yourself in the foot.




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    #21934216 - 07/12/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Blacks sell on the street to any stranger that comes up. Not all perhaps but that is the main pattern. Whites are a little smarter about dealing. But according to you, they get arrested for no reason. :flowstone:


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21934671 - 07/12/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Blacks sell on the street to any stranger that comes up. Not all perhaps but that is the main pattern. Whites are a little smarter about dealing. But according to you, they get arrested for no reason. :flowstone:




That's because they are marginalized in our society. Selling crack is a job for black kids, in a market where they can't find employment. They literally call crack 'work'. Selling crack on the street pays roughly $12/hour. When you have a minimum wage of $7.25, and a high rate of unemployment, particularly in the young black community, this is how they make money.

Interestingly enough, the criminal charges for dealing crack (Which is almost exclusively dealt by black kids) is some 10 times as harsh as that for cocaine, despite the fact that these are exactly the same drug. However, powder cocaine is consumed more often by white folks, and the criminal charges are significantly lower.

I would also like to challenge your claim that white people handle their drugs 'smarter'. In Furguson, for example, the percentage of black people stopped found to be carrying drugs was lower than the percentage of white folks stopped, yet black people were stopped far more often.


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    #21934689 - 07/12/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>That's because they are marginalized in our society.

Horseshit

>the criminal charges for dealing crack (Which is almost exclusively dealt by black kids) is some 10 times as harsh as that for cocaine

True, but obumble, himself a negro, has done nothing about that.

>I would also like to challenge your claim that white people handle their drugs 'smarter'

You just got done telling us that negro kids sell on the street corner. You call that smart? Blame their parents, their peers, but you can't blame it on slavery a couple hundred years ago.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21935331 - 07/12/15 10:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Slavery has had a huge impact all the way to modern day America. You know, civil rights has only been a thing for 50 years.

Slavery wasn't that long ago. I will put it in perspective for you:

If you are age 35 and your direct ancestors were all born to 35 year old mothers, you would only have to go back four generations to find an ancestor born into slavery.

If you are 20 years old and your direct ancestors were all first-born to young mothers, you would have to go back 7 generations to get to 1865.

So we know that a lot of a person's culture comes from their parents, and a significant portion of education happens at home. Generally a large portion of your worldview and understanding of finances, the economy, how to get a good job, etc, come from your family. Much of your success is determined by the success of your parents. Civil rights only occurred 2 generations before today's adults. So black people haven't even been allowed to grow and assimilate properly into our society throughout most of their history since slavery. Add to that a general stigma, such as your own, against them, and the problem is quite clear.


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    #21935350 - 07/12/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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True, but obumble, himself a negro, has done nothing about that.





:thisisterrible:
how does it always come down to this?
as if Obama could, with a wave of his hand, change all the state sentencing laws.  Even if he could, think of the precedent that would set.
I mean, i guess he could order that crack sales not be prosecuted as a crime, at least until presented with a writ of mandemus from SCOTUS, but what would that accomplish?  he could commute all the current sentences for people currently incarcerated for crack sales, but again, what would that accomplish?  No, the responsibility falls directly on the legislature for both federal and state sentencing laws.
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    #21935673 - 07/12/15 11:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

lets settle this debate with a video that I think clearly sums up this argument...

I bet he only gets pulled over because he is black...


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    #21935710 - 07/13/15 12:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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lets settle this debate with a video that I think clearly sums up this argument...

I bet he only gets pulled over because he is black...




I can find you the same video of some meth dealin white redneck... that doesn't sum up shit. My argument actually makes fucking sense.


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the video gave me lulz...


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    #21936346 - 07/13/15 08:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>My argument actually makes fucking sense.

Only to fellow dingbats. You say its "only" 7 generations ago like that was the week before last. I have news for you, all those people are dead, their kids are dead, and grandkids. You talk like we are supposed to sit around and moan over what happened to our ancestors.


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    #21936889 - 07/13/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Slavery has had a huge impact all the way to modern day America. You know, civil rights has only been a thing for 50 years.

Slavery wasn't that long ago. I will put it in perspective for you:

If you are age 35 and your direct ancestors were all born to 35 year old mothers, you would only have to go back four generations to find an ancestor born into slavery.

If you are 20 years old and your direct ancestors were all first-born to young mothers, you would have to go back 7 generations to get to 1865.

So we know that a lot of a person's culture comes from their parents, and a significant portion of education happens at home. Generally a large portion of your worldview and understanding of finances, the economy, how to get a good job, etc, come from your family. Much of your success is determined by the success of your parents. Civil rights only occurred 2 generations before today's adults. So black people haven't even been allowed to grow and assimilate properly into our society throughout most of their history since slavery. Add to that a general stigma, such as your own, against them, and the problem is quite clear.




You do realize that other cultures that immigrated into the US didn't come from ideal conditions?  They just came over and didn't hold on to the past and make excuses about everything, what do you think works better?


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: qman]
    #21937051 - 07/13/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, why is it the poles, slavs, Ukrainians, etc etc etc who came fleeing from oppression aren't whining that they can't get ahead since they had bad conditions? Why aren't they demanding a handout like the blacks are?


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21937082 - 07/13/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You're missing a central part of my argument. I made no argument referring to holding onto the past. Only that the past effects the future. I'm not going to break it down again if you're too thick to understand.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21937116 - 07/13/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

yes, and that is why every single time travel movie talks about causality.... butterfly flapping its wings and shit. But at what point, especially in comparison to other groups, is that no longer a viable excuse for disparity being endemic?


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    #21937124 - 07/13/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You're missing a central part of my argument. I made no argument referring to holding onto the past. Only that the past effects the future. I'm not going to break it down again if you're too thick to understand.




It really doesn't matter, 100 years from now the same excuses will be made by the same cultures, you have to truly believe you are inferior to make those types of demands and rationalizations.


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yes, and that is why every single time travel movie talks about causality.... butterfly flapping its wings and shit. But at what point, especially in comparison to other groups, is that no longer a viable excuse for disparity being endemic?




I don't know what point, but I think 4-6 generations since slavery (for a significant number of blacks today) isn't all that much time. Especially considering that for most of that time they were still incredibly oppressed. Things started to turn around about one generation before today, and you expect them to flip like a switch.


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    #21937169 - 07/13/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You're missing a central part of my argument. I made no argument referring to holding onto the past. Only that the past effects the future. I'm not going to break it down again if you're too thick to understand.




It really doesn't matter, 100 years from now the same excuses will be made by the same cultures, you have to truly believe you are inferior to make those types of demands and rationalizations.




I am white as a sheet, dude. I am just a rational human being.


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You're missing a central part of my argument. I made no argument referring to holding onto the past. Only that the past effects the future. I'm not going to break it down again if you're too thick to understand.




It really doesn't matter, 100 years from now the same excuses will be made by the same cultures, you have to truly believe you are inferior to make those types of demands and rationalizations.




I am white as a sheet, dude. I am just a rational human being.




I was referring to the black culture, not you personally.  :lol:


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I agree that black culture is damaging.


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    #21937576 - 07/13/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>Only that the past effects the future.

Why then is it that other cultures are able to shrug it off but not negroes? Are you telling us they are inferior?

> I think 4-6 generations since slavery (for a significant number of blacks today) isn't all that much time

Christ almighty, people came here after far worse conditions and in 1 generation they were doing great. Its co-enablers like you that keep blacks down telling them they are inferior and can't make it without handouts.

>I'm not going to break it down again if you're too thick to understand.

Isnt this the same guy who was whining about ad hominems when people said libs were dense? Here is a direct attack, not a general statement. Your little argument is what broke down and you can't defend it.


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    #21940139 - 07/14/15 12:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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>Only that the past effects the future.

Why then is it that other cultures are able to shrug it off but not negroes? Are you telling us they are inferior?

> I think 4-6 generations since slavery (for a significant number of blacks today) isn't all that much time

Christ almighty, people came here after far worse conditions and in 1 generation they were doing great. Its co-enablers like you that keep blacks down telling them they are inferior and can't make it without handouts.

>I'm not going to break it down again if you're too thick to understand.

Isnt this the same guy who was whining about ad hominems when people said libs were dense? Here is a direct attack, not a general statement. Your little argument is what broke down and you can't defend it.




That wasn't an ad hominem. I've made several clear arguments that you don't seem to understand. Also, what are these 'far worse conditions' than slavery and living in a society that racially opresses you for generations?

I don't tell blacks they're inferior, or believe that they are. Stop projecting.


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    #21941003 - 07/14/15 08:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>That wasn't an ad hominem. I've made several clear arguments that you don't seem to understand.

And another one. Your "clear" arguments are left wing nonsense and wishful thinking.

>Also, what are these 'far worse conditions' than slavery and living in a society that racially opresses you for generations?

First of all, slaves were not oppressed, they had their role and their niche. They were treated well, they were expensive property and often treated like family. Far worse conditions include having everything you own taken from you, put into prison, killed. Stalin was so harsh to his own people millions of them died. You obviously live in a bubble with no idea what the rest of the world is like.

So we have black people today, with no direct lineage to slaves who can't work or do anything to get ahead and its because of slavery in the 1800's? Those people fleeing persecution still remember what they left. When bums try to peddle victimhood, they are not buying. The bums have to find another group who will buy their crap.


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    #21942657 - 07/14/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I know.  I keep my mouth shut at work and back in school.  I just bow my head in shame along with everyone else when the lecture bemoaning our lack of skin color and genital diversity starts.




Genital diversity? I know they say black men have larger cocks, but I didn't realize that was part of this discussion. Now that I think about it though, maybe penis envy is the real reason so many of you folks adopt your racist ideology.




Insinuating that people hold certain views because they are jealous of the size of the genital of some other group of people...are all liberals as disgusting as you?


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    #21942671 - 07/14/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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k people are equivalent to teenagers on some level?

I don't 'cry that it's unfair', however, it is wrong to treat people differently on a racial basis.



Why is it wrong to treat people differently on a racial basis?  You know I have raven-black hair, and everywhere I go, I see blond girls being treated like a princess by their boyfriends.  Can I go and protest to those men that they should also treat me like they treat the blond girls?  No, that would be both insane as well as stupid.

Face it, people treat other people differently based on their physical looks.  That's just how it is.  And this applies to race, because different races look differently.  It's just how things work.  You can cry about it for a thousand years and it won't change one thing.

Also, funny how leftists like you are always moralizing.  You are always telling other people what they did wrong, what they should do and should say.  I say fuck right off.  Me and a whole bunch of  people don't need shits like you telling us how to be ethical beings.  You don't have the monopoly on ethical behavior.  Get it straight.


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As they should.  It's not only a smart business decision it's good for society as a whole.

Read the article.




Excuse me?  Who the fuck died and put you in charge of deciding what's good for the whole society?

Speak for yourself only.


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    #21942946 - 07/14/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Every time these conversations come up all the arguments basically call for a fucking time machine to go back and fix shit. Maybe we should chain up white people for a little while to make it even? People are judging people today is like judging a murder's son. We are trying are best to make an equal society.

Has anyone taken a look around at other countries and seen how fucked up they are? Boko Haram has their own BLACK slaves. ISIS has thousands of slaves not to mention mass executions going on daily.

Not to even mention the North Korean labor slave camps or even the 2 penny a day pay in China.

You notice how every country the United States has a foothold in, is doing well.

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    #21944206 - 07/14/15 10:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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>That wasn't an ad hominem. I've made several clear arguments that you don't seem to understand.

And another one. Your "clear" arguments are left wing nonsense and wishful thinking.

>Also, what are these 'far worse conditions' than slavery and living in a society that racially opresses you for generations?

First of all, slaves were not oppressed, they had their role and their niche. They were treated well, they were expensive property and often treated like family. Far worse conditions include having everything you own taken from you, put into prison, killed. Stalin was so harsh to his own people millions of them died. You obviously live in a bubble with no idea what the rest of the world is like.

So we have black people today, with no direct lineage to slaves who can't work or do anything to get ahead and its because of slavery in the 1800's? Those people fleeing persecution still remember what they left. When bums try to peddle victimhood, they are not buying. The bums have to find another group who will buy their crap.





Slaves were treated well? Like family? Really Stoney? Do you actually believe this line of horse shit?


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I know.  I keep my mouth shut at work and back in school.  I just bow my head in shame along with everyone else when the lecture bemoaning our lack of skin color and genital diversity starts.




Genital diversity? I know they say black men have larger cocks, but I didn't realize that was part of this discussion. Now that I think about it though, maybe penis envy is the real reason so many of you folks adopt your racist ideology.




Insinuating that people hold certain views because they are jealous of the size of the genital of some other group of people...are all liberals as disgusting as you?




Really? You don't understand the wordplay? He's the one who said 'genital diversity. Quit trollin.


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    #21946149 - 07/15/15 07:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Do people abuse their pets? No. Do they abuse their expensive farm animals? No. So why would they abuse their slaves? There may have been an occasional exception just as we have people today who abuse animals but it was far from the common scenario your gullible liberal mind believes.

It was explained to you that genital diversity meant having more women but all you think about is cocks.


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    #21950206 - 07/16/15 01:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Do people abuse their pets? No. Do they abuse their expensive farm animals? No. So why would they abuse their slaves? There may have been an occasional exception just as we have people today who abuse animals but it was far from the common scenario your gullible liberal mind believes.

It was explained to you that genital diversity meant having more women but all you think about is cocks.




Sorry, I've never heard that term before. I think 'gender diversity' would be more appropriate.

As far as abused pets and farm animals, I've lived in farm country and seen some fucked up shit. One of my neighbor's kids threw his old cat into a pig pen, expecting it to make it out. It was eaten alive, and they thought it was funnier than fuck! In fact, when I was a kid one of my brothers used to mutilate frogs and fish. Actually, I've seen some horrible mistreatment of animals.

Now imagine this is a human being. It was no rare occasion that slaves were brutally raped. I recall one instance of a slaver who forced slaves to shit and piss in eachother's mouths. Slaves were whipped, had their feet and hands chopped off, were brutally murdered. It's really not the same at all. A slave is not a pet or livestock.

The fact that you're even making this argument is really fucked up tbh... this isn't really something up for debate, it's repulsive.


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    #21950897 - 07/16/15 08:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>As far as abused pets and farm animals, I've lived in farm country and seen some fucked up shit. One of my neighbor's kids threw his old cat into a pig pen, expecting it to make it out. It was eaten alive, and they thought it was funnier than fuck! In fact, when I was a kid one of my brothers used to mutilate frogs and fish. Actually, I've seen some horrible mistreatment of animals.

Is that accepted? No. And it was kids, some creepy kids who did something creepy. There are laws against that and it still happens.

>It was no rare occasion that slaves were brutally raped. I recall one instance of a slaver who forced slaves to shit and piss in eachother's mouths.

You "recall"?? I highly doubt you were around then and this is just some crap you made up or a story some other moonbat made up that you repeated.

>Slaves were whipped, had their feet and hands chopped off, were brutally murdered.

We see this happen today but its not accepted, it is considered now and was considered then to be wrong. Its not something that happened routinely.

>A slave is not a pet or livestock.

That was their status and the great majority were treated well. They were very expensive and only a lunatic would do anything like that. Do you brutalize your pets? Maybe you shouldn't answer.

>The fact that you're even making this argument is really fucked up tbh... this isn't really something up for debate, it's repulsive.

So we are supposed to simply take your word for it when you have been caught so many times lying?

Anyway, we are talking about black privilege today. We already know they were slaves in the 1800's. Why should someone who happens to be dark get special privileges today? Do you even realize you are promoting racist policies which makes you a racist?


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    #21951439 - 07/16/15 10:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Been caught so many times lying? I don't lie. Your rationalizations are despicable. I am done with this conversation, honestly.


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    #21951880 - 07/16/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>I don't lie.

Lets just say your view of reality is skewed.

>Your rationalizations are despicable

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    #21952072 - 07/16/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Do people abuse their pets? No. Do they abuse their expensive farm animals? No. So why would they abuse their slaves? There may have been an occasional exception just as we have people today who abuse animals but it was far from the common scenario your gullible liberal mind believes.

It was explained to you that genital diversity meant having more women but all you think about is cocks.




Sorry, I've never heard that term before. I think 'gender diversity' would be more appropriate.





No, you are ignoring the left's newspeak on gender and sex.  Gender is a social construct and a personal identity.  Sex has to do with your gentiles and that is what is preferred by HR, not your gender.


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    #21952602 - 07/16/15 03:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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>I don't lie.

Lets just say your view of reality is skewed.

>Your rationalizations are despicable

You don't like having your racism revealed, do you? Naturally you don't want to talk about that.




... my racism? You're the one arguing on behalf of slavery! Of course I don't appreciate your libeling. I can't do it Stoney. I'm done here.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21952640 - 07/16/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>... my racism? You're the one arguing on behalf of slavery!

When did I argue on behalf of slavery? I simply said your beliefs that slaves were routinely killed or hurt was false. And it is false

>Of course I don't appreciate your libeling. I can't do it Stoney. I'm done here.

Of course you want to run out the door rather than discuss it. You are in favor of handouts based on race, correct? That is racism, not libel.

Black privilege is real, white privilege is a fiction maintained by extreme leftists. When you ask them for proof, they babble about driving while black and other nonsense. They try to justify racial preferences by talking about what happened in the 1800's.

I am in favor of equality for all. The rest of you...?


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: WAN]
    #21962955 - 07/18/15 11:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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This one is a no-brainer.  I would most definitely want to be a white man instead of a black man, but this has nothing to do with black privileges or white privileges or whatever.  Being black simply sucks.  In fact I used to know this half-black, half-white kid, and he was suicidally depressed.  I am almost 100% sure that it was due to his black lineage.  If I were half-black (dont even need to be fully black), I would want to die, too.




Wow. This 'political' forum doesn't change does it? I always thought that the otd forum was a smart idea because you can't stop these geniuses from being here but at least the offensive shit could be contained in one place. I guess I might be suicidal if I was surrounded by hick idiots too. Thank god I've never even visited such a place.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21962988 - 07/18/15 11:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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First of all, slaves were not oppressed,





Funny thing is that you are actually taking yourself seriously.

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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: spock]
    #21963168 - 07/19/15 12:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I can't see WAN's messages, but I really can't imagine what sort of revolting shit she's posting on this thread. I'm waiting for someone to come out and say 'niggers like to be called niggers, they're better off as slaves'. That's pretty much how our conversations go lately.

Somehow in the midst of this discussion I'm the one being pegged as a 'racist'!


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21963395 - 07/19/15 03:00 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's sad. I haven't been here in a couple of years but it's the same kkk meeting it has always been. She's saying being half black is enough to make some kid she knew suicidal. That's how bad even being half black is. I'm black. Biracial actually and love my life. Wish I could find this privilege I hear so much about from these people that know so much about how I live. Funny how the most powerful man of the free world is biracial. It does give me a good laugh how much these racists hate a black president. Anyway.. Peace.

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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: spock]
    #21965439 - 07/19/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

If I were you, I would avoid the political forum, unless you have a thick skin. People say a lot of really fucked up racist shit on here. It's shocking.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21966098 - 07/19/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I know. It's been this way for years. Usually the same people spewing the same hate. It is most definitely offensive but I also find it funny. The ones who think they are smart and think they can back their hate up with 'facts'. Or the experts on how black people live. I would almost feel sorry for them but the only thing in this world I actually hate is hate. There are a great deal of racists that are just ignorant and don't know but what they've been taught and have never lived anywhere but in a small gene pool. The ones who parrot what they 'learn' from watching fox. The Shroomery is a great place. This particular forum does make make it look bad. Oh well. Peace man.

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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: spock]
    #21966152 - 07/19/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So stating the fact that blacks get special privileges is the same as spewing hate? They do you know, lots of privileges. How is that hate? What is racist is the people who support racial programs like AA and other crap like that.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21966444 - 07/19/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sharing my experience/s with people is not "hate".  I did encounter a half-black kid and he WAS suicidal.  In fact, I think a lot of bi-racial people are confused and it is very conceivable how they might be depressed.  Imagine the soul of a white boy inside the body of a negro.  I really WOULD kill myself.  And saying this is not hate.  Just because people don't want to be black it does not mean they hate black people.  They are just being real.  Being black (or biracial) sucks.

And if my post can serve as a warning to would-be race-mixing white folks about to engage in interracial procreation, it will be good.  I hope they know what they are getting themselves into.  Making kids who are permanently confused about their identities like that is very irresponsible parenting.  Imagine the kid wistfully look upon the face of their white parent and wonder what he/she could have been.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21966521 - 07/19/15 06:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Black kids grow up without fathers because their fathers don't give a damn.




My father always gave a damn. My friends growing up were about 50/50 white/black. About 50% of both had intact families. Where I live now is mostly white. When I go to my kid's school, a lot of white dads are absent. Sign of the times that may of hit the black community sooner but just like crack has spread to most communities as the economic situation in our country(us) deteriorates. You say black fathers don't give a damn. I'm sitting watching disney chanel with my daughter as I write this. A black father who gives a damn. I can't think of any father that I know who does not give a damn. So yeah.. it is offensive being told by those who are obviously clueless how I or my friends live. I wish I could find this "privilege" I keep hearing about. I've never seen aa in action and would say it needs to be expanded more if anything. AA certainly is not preventing many from getting jobs.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: spock]
    #21966556 - 07/19/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Black kids grow up without fathers because their fathers don't give a damn.




My father always gave a damn. My friends growing up were about 50/50 white/black. About 50% of both had intact families. Where I live now is mostly white. When I go to my kid's school, a lot of white dads are absent. Sign of the times that may of hit the black community sooner but just like crack has spread to most communities as the economic situation in our country(us) deteriorates. You say black fathers don't give a damn. I'm sitting watching disney chanel with my daughter as I write this. A black father who gives a damn. I can't think of any father that I know who does not give a damn. So yeah.. it is offensive being told by those who are obviously clueless how I or my friends live. I wish I could find this "privilege" I keep hearing about. I've never seen aa in action and would say it needs to be expanded more if anything. AA certainly is not preventing many from getting jobs.
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He was talking about "as a rule".  Maybe you ARE an attentive black father, but the reality is that a lot of them (black fathers) are not.  Enough so that it becomes a noticeable thing.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: WAN]
    #21966575 - 07/19/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Being black (or biracial) sucks.






No it doesn't. And if you don't realize how embarrassingly simple minded and very much racist you are, then I'm not going to waste my time.

I'm all for free speech but the shroomery really should draw a line at blatant klan members.

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    #21966588 - 07/19/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

"as a rule"??

Now I think I'm just being trolled.:rofl2:

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    #21966638 - 07/19/15 06:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Being black (or biracial) sucks.






No it doesn't. And if you don't realize how embarrassingly simple minded and very much racist you are, then I'm not going to waste my time.




Maybe it doesn't for you, but how can you say with authority that it doesn't suck for other people?  Also, I don't care whether people like you think I am being "simple-minded" and "racist".  You are of a biracial stock, so you are naturally biased.  You automatically label all opposing views as racist, so that it saves you the trouble from examining these views critically and objectively.  And I will re-iterate, being black sucks balls.

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I'm all for free speech but the shroomery really should draw a line at blatant klan members.

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So you are for freedom of speech until you are faced with views that you don't like and/or consider "racist", "offensive".  How tolerant of you.

Also, people are not members of the KKK just because they don't show blind support for multi-racialism.  Have you thought about that maybe, just maybe, some white people don't want their unique traits like blond/red hair, blue/green eyes to be mixed out of existence?


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    #21966641 - 07/19/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Black kids grow up without fathers because their fathers don't give a damn.




My father always gave a damn. My friends growing up were about 50/50 white/black. About 50% of both had intact families. Where I live now is mostly white. When I go to my kid's school, a lot of white dads are absent. Sign of the times that may of hit the black community sooner but just like crack has spread to most communities as the economic situation in our country(us) deteriorates. You say black fathers don't give a damn. I'm sitting watching disney chanel with my daughter as I write this. A black father who gives a damn. I can't think of any father that I know who does not give a damn. So yeah.. it is offensive being told by those who are obviously clueless how I or my friends live. I wish I could find this "privilege" I keep hearing about. I've never seen aa in action and would say it needs to be expanded more if anything. AA certainly is not preventing many from getting jobs.
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"you say black fathers don't give a dam"

No, black mothers say black fathers don't give a dam and the statistics also say the same thing, so don't play stupid, instead of denying the truth, why don't you address this real problem like a man?


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    #21966665 - 07/19/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Stonehenge said:
Black kids grow up without fathers because their fathers don't give a damn.




My father always gave a damn. My friends growing up were about 50/50 white/black. About 50% of both had intact families. Where I live now is mostly white. When I go to my kid's school, a lot of white dads are absent. Sign of the times that may of hit the black community sooner but just like crack has spread to most communities as the economic situation in our country(us) deteriorates. You say black fathers don't give a damn. I'm sitting watching disney chanel with my daughter as I write this. A black father who gives a damn. I can't think of any father that I know who does not give a damn. So yeah.. it is offensive being told by those who are obviously clueless how I or my friends live. I wish I could find this "privilege" I keep hearing about. I've never seen aa in action and would say it needs to be expanded more if anything. AA certainly is not preventing many from getting jobs.
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"you say black fathers don't give a dam"

No, black mothers say black fathers don't give a dam and the statistics also say the same thing, so don't play stupid, instead of denying the truth, why don't you address this real problem like a man?




I think he is addressing the problem like a man. He takes care of his daughter. That's how a man addresses that problem. What would you suggest he do? 'Admit' that those got dang colored folk have genetic problems? That's preposterous.

There are a lot of contributing factors to absentee fathers. Disproportionate prosecution via the justice system is one. These issues are much deeper than you folks are making them out to be, but racists don't care about the facts, they like simple answers to complex problems. No wonder so many of them are conservatives.

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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21966669 - 07/19/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So stating the fact that blacks get special privileges is the same as spewing hate? They do you know, lots of privileges. How is that hate? What is racist is the people who support racial programs like AA and other crap like that.




You speak of slavery as if THAT was a black privilege too. That is racism.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21966715 - 07/19/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>You speak of slavery as if THAT was a black privilege too. That is racism.

Lies, why do you troll me constantly? Get a job.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21966725 - 07/19/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Black kids grow up without fathers because their fathers don't give a damn.




My father always gave a damn. My friends growing up were about 50/50 white/black. About 50% of both had intact families. Where I live now is mostly white. When I go to my kid's school, a lot of white dads are absent. Sign of the times that may of hit the black community sooner but just like crack has spread to most communities as the economic situation in our country(us) deteriorates. You say black fathers don't give a damn. I'm sitting watching disney chanel with my daughter as I write this. A black father who gives a damn. I can't think of any father that I know who does not give a damn. So yeah.. it is offensive being told by those who are obviously clueless how I or my friends live. I wish I could find this "privilege" I keep hearing about. I've never seen aa in action and would say it needs to be expanded more if anything. AA certainly is not preventing many from getting jobs.
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"you say black fathers don't give a dam"

No, black mothers say black fathers don't give a dam and the statistics also say the same thing, so don't play stupid, instead of denying the truth, why don't you address this real problem like a man?




I think he is addressing the problem like a man. He takes care of his daughter. That's how a man addresses that problem. What would you suggest he do? 'Admit' that those got dang colored folk have genetic problems? That's preposterous.

There are a lot of contributing factors to absentee fathers. Disproportionate prosecution via the justice system is one. These issues are much deeper than you folks are making them out to be, but racists don't care about the facts, they like simple answers to complex problems. No wonder so many of them are conservatives.

I'm white as a sheet, and my father was never around.




No, he's denying that the problem of black absentee fathering even exists, the fact that he takes care of his daughter has NOTHING to do with the discussion.

The justice system has NOTHING to do with black males lacking parental responsibility, stop making excuses for controllable behavior.  :facepalm:


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    #21966878 - 07/19/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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black mothers say black fathers don't give a dam and the statistics also say the same thing, so don't play stupid, instead of denying the truth, why don't you address this real problem like a man?




http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr071.pdf

Statistics from the cdc.
TL;DR?  Black dads are more involved with their kids than white or latino dads.
As far as what black mothers say... I don't know. My youngest kids mom is black and can't say shit because she only sees her kid about 12 times a year. Not because she is black but just a piece of shit having nothing to do with the color of her skin.
As far as being a man? I don't like to brag but I don't know many men(regardless of color) that do what I do. I taught my kid to read and she has been identified as gifted and reading at a high school level since she was 8. My oldest kid(blue eye,blonde who would never identify herself as white) is also gifted.

I could of given a list of articles saying that black fathers being absent is a myth but I think the CDC is probably the best source that could(I know it won't)put the myth to rest. I'm not some outlier. Most dads I know are involved with their kids.

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    #21966983 - 07/19/15 08:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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black mothers say black fathers don't give a dam and the statistics also say the same thing, so don't play stupid, instead of denying the truth, why don't you address this real problem like a man?




http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr071.pdf

Statistics from the cdc.
TL;DR?  Black dads are more involved with their kids than white or latino dads.
As far as what black mothers say... I don't know. My youngest kids mom is black and can't say shit because she only sees her kid about 12 times a year. Not because she is black but just a piece of shit having nothing to do with the color of her skin.
As far as being a man? I don't like to brag but I don't know many men(regardless of color) that do what I do. I taught my kid to read and she has been identified as gifted and reading at a high school level since she was 8. My oldest kid(blue eye,blonde who would never identify herself as white) is also gifted.

I could of given a list of articles saying that black fathers being absent is a myth but I think the CDC is probably the best source that could(I know it won't)put the myth to rest. I'm not some outlier. Most dads I know are involved with their kids.

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You mean nonsense stuff like this :rofl2:  http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/13/1383179/-The-absent-black-father-myth-debunked-by-CDC#

"Blacks dads are even more likely to THINK it's important to financially provide for their children"

Wow, to take a survey on who THINKS it's important to support your children, but what about ACTUALLY paying for your children, I guess they didn't want to go there.  :lol:

"Children living with a parent (mother only) vs two parents between White (18%), Latino or Hispanic (24%) and Black (50%) households."

So the real truth actually comes out of the BS stats, black fathers aren't there, but they THINK it's very important to be supportive. :facepalm:

You should be embarrassed and ashamed you're even debating this subject.


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    #21967291 - 07/19/15 09:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Just because the white kid's mom remarried does not mean their father is involved. You brought up statistics. We both know we can make them say what we want. Can stats be useful? Sure. It is how casinos make their money. I can only speak on what I know. Color of skin does not determine how good a parent is. You think it does. That is racist. If stats agree with you then I still say that it is not as simple as color of skin. You say that I deny a problem exists. No. Absent fathers is a problem regardless of color. I deny the problem exists directly because of skin color. Your 'only a real Scotsman' argument is weak.
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    #21969884 - 07/20/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Just because the white kid's mom remarried does not mean their father is involved. You brought up statistics. We both know we can make them say what we want. Can stats be useful? Sure. It is how casinos make their money. I can only speak on what I know. Color of skin does not determine how good a parent is. You think it does. That is racist. If stats agree with you then I still say that it is not as simple as color of skin. You say that I deny a problem exists. No. Absent fathers is a problem regardless of color. I deny the problem exists directly because of skin color. Your 'only a real Scotsman' argument is weak.
Does black privilege exist? Hmm. "being black(or biracial) sucks" "slaves were not oppressed". How do you guys know so much about black people?

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"Skin color does not determine how good a parent is. You think it does. That is racist"

Yet, "57.6% of black children, 31.2% of Hispanic children, and 20.7% of white children are living absent their BIOLOGICAL fathers"  http://www.fathers.com/statistics-and-research/the-extent-of-fatherlessness/

"I deny the problem exists directly because of skin color"

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jul/29/don-lemon/cnns-don-lemon-says-more-72-percent-african-americ/

"72% of African-American births are out of wedlock"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/10/walter-scott-child-support-_n_7036174.html

"nearly 70 percent of the non-custodial parent-debtors were black, even though blacks made up less than 28 percent of South Carolina's population"

The reality is quite clear, black men disproportionately have children they can's afford and are unable to support them, that's not being a good parent.


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http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Serial%20Killer%20Information%20Center/Serial%20Killer%20Statistics.pdf

The reality is quite clear.  White men disproportionately murder people for enjoyment. 

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http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Serial%20Killer%20Information%20Center/Serial%20Killer%20Statistics.pdf

The reality is quite clear.  White men disproportionately murder people for enjoyment. 

good old statistics, they're great of pigeonholing entire ethnic groups aren't they?




Your link doesn't even make that statement, even if it did who gives a crap?


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    #21970088 - 07/20/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

but, it clearly does....

from 1900-2010, 52.1 percent of serial killers were white.

during the same time period, 90.8 percent were men

the motive for these killings was enjoyment(thrill,lust,power) 46.11 percent of the time


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    #21970130 - 07/20/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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but, it clearly does....

from 1900-2010, 52.1 percent of serial killers were white.

during the same time period, 90.8 percent were men

the motive for these killings was enjoyment(thrill,lust,power) 46.11 percent of the time




Considering the white population was over 70-90% in the past 100 years, wouldn't it only make sense that at least 52.1 percent of the serial killers were white?  That looks like disproportional under representation.


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    #21970169 - 07/20/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i suppose that is true, but the total still reflects a majority of white serial killers.


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    #21970186 - 07/20/15 10:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You said disproportionate, not majority.  You were wrong.


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but, it clearly does....

from 1900-2010, 52.1 percent of serial killers were white.

during the same time period, 90.8 percent were men

the motive for these killings was enjoyment(thrill,lust,power) 46.11 percent of the time




Considering the white population was over 70-90% in the past 100 years, wouldn't it only make sense that at least 52.1 percent of the serial killers were white?  That looks like disproportional under representation.




wait a minute here, if we assume 80% white in the past 100 years, and we know that men tend to make up less than 50% of the population, that means we can assume the the number of white males not to exceed 40% of the population. at most. yet white males make up 46.09% of serial killers. an over representation by at least 6.09%

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    #21970621 - 07/20/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

These hoops you are jumping through to excuse black violence is an example of black privilege.  Whatever a statistic shows the interpretation is that whites are worse or whites cause blacks to be worse.  Whites get the presumption of guilt, blacks get the benifit of the dobut.  That is a privilege they enjoy by virtue of being black.


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    #21970771 - 07/20/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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These hoops you are jumping through to excuse black violence is an example of black privilege.  Whatever a statistic shows the interpretation is that whites are worse or whites cause blacks to be worse.  Whites get the presumption of guilt, blacks get the benifit of the dobut.  That is a privilege they enjoy by virtue of being black.




wait, what?  who was excusing black violence? or any violence for that matter?  someone started talking about statistics, so i threw out some stats of my own. :shrug:

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Black kids grow up without fathers because their fathers don't give a damn.




My father always gave a damn. My friends growing up were about 50/50 white/black. About 50% of both had intact families. Where I live now is mostly white. When I go to my kid's school, a lot of white dads are absent. Sign of the times that may of hit the black community sooner but just like crack has spread to most communities as the economic situation in our country(us) deteriorates. You say black fathers don't give a damn. I'm sitting watching disney chanel with my daughter as I write this. A black father who gives a damn. I can't think of any father that I know who does not give a damn. So yeah.. it is offensive being told by those who are obviously clueless how I or my friends live. I wish I could find this "privilege" I keep hearing about. I've never seen aa in action and would say it needs to be expanded more if anything. AA certainly is not preventing many from getting jobs.
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"you say black fathers don't give a dam"

No, black mothers say black fathers don't give a dam and the statistics also say the same thing, so don't play stupid, instead of denying the truth, why don't you address this real problem like a man?




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    #21970824 - 07/20/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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wait, what?  who was excusing black violence? or any violence for that matter?  someone started talking about statistics, so i threw out some stats of my own. :shrug:




You threw out cherry picked, irrelevant statistics and formed your own conclusion based on your misinterpretation of them all in an attempt to de-validate qman's statistics which are relevant and stand on their own.  This redirection minimizes and excuses the reality portrayed by qman's statistics.  This is black privilege... The failure of the black community to maintain healthy family households is shown in statistics.  Instead of acknowledging that this exists and is a contributing factor to violence, you throw out a non-sequitur about white serial killers.  This re-direction is a function of white guilt and black privilege.


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    #21971025 - 07/20/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Whites get the presumption of guilt, blacks get the benifit of the dobut.  That is a privilege they enjoy by virtue of being black.




Blacks getting "benifit of dobut" while whites are presumed guilty is just backwards.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324432004578304463789858002

http://www.tampabay.com/news/localgovernment/blacks-disproportionately-arrested-for-marijuana-possession-in-pinellas/2199728

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    #21971047 - 07/20/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No, you have it backwards. You have enjoyed black privilege all your life but have been trained to complain about racism.


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    #21971089 - 07/20/15 02:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Whites get the presumption of guilt, blacks get the benifit of the dobut.  That is a privilege they enjoy by virtue of being black.




Blacks getting "benifit of dobut" while whites are presumed guilty is just backwards.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324432004578304463789858002

http://www.tampabay.com/news/localgovernment/blacks-disproportionately-arrested-for-marijuana-possession-in-pinellas/2199728

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/18/ferguson-black-arrest-rates/19043207/




"The commission...acknowledging that they (judges) "make sentencing decisions based on many legitimate considerations that are NOT and CANNOT be measured"

Or in other words, the is NO evidence there's anything wrong with the sentencing of blacks at all.


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    #21971110 - 07/20/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

How do you know so much about my life?

and yeah racism sucks. I might complain when I see it but at least I'm not whining about shit that does not exist. I do not have it backwards.


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    #21971320 - 07/20/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>at least I'm not whining about shit that does not exist

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>at least I'm not whining about shit that does not exist

Yes you are



No, you started this butthurt troll of a post. I'm still wondering how you know so much about my life. That's a lie I know exactly why you think you know so much about me. I don't see other black people here. So here you are on a predominately white forum complaining about "black privilege". lol. You know your racist bullshit is offensive but you think it's cool to hang here and spew hate. Here troll, eat.


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    #21971620 - 07/20/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have always felt an equality when dealing with people of all races, ages, and gender. I believe in kindness.:sun:

Why are blacks in the USA so much more likely to commit a violent crime?
Why is Africa so underdeveloped?
Why is Iceland so peaceful?
Is affirmative action racist discrimination posing as a cure for racist discrimination?
is there a such thing as a loving, peaceful white supremacist?:tongue:

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I have always felt an equality when dealing with people of all races, ages, and gender. I believe in kindness.:sun:

Why are blacks in the USA so much more likely to commit a violent crime?
Why is Africa so underdeveloped?
Why is Iceland so peaceful?
Is affirmative action racist discrimination posing as a cure for racist discrimination?
is there a such thing as a loving, peaceful white supremacist?:tongue:

Anyone have any good links dealing with the first question, why the violence/murder rate is what it is?




Mentioning the truth causes the usual suspects to accuse you of racism and hate. They know they have a gravy train and don't want it derailed.


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    #21972146 - 07/20/15 06:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Whites get the presumption of guilt, blacks get the benifit of the dobut.  That is a privilege they enjoy by virtue of being black.




Blacks getting "benifit of dobut" while whites are presumed guilty is just backwards.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324432004578304463789858002

http://www.tampabay.com/news/localgovernment/blacks-disproportionately-arrested-for-marijuana-possession-in-pinellas/2199728

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/18/ferguson-black-arrest-rates/19043207/




I think your posts substantiate my claim.  You and those authors are giving blacks the benefit of the doubt by implying that all other things are equal and these statistics must be the product of racism.  There is some doubt about why these statistics are this way, you and the authors choose to give them the benefit of that doubt.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21972249 - 07/20/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Crime is the product of poverty, not skin color, you silly assholes:

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Persons in poor households at or below the Federal Poverty Level (FPL) (39.8 per 1,000) had more than double the rate of violent victimization as persons in high-income households (16.9 per 1,000).




http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5137

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"Poor two-parent families were about twice as likely to break up as were two-parent families not in poverty,"




http://www.nytimes.com/1993/01/15/us/poverty-termed-a-divorce-factor.html




The violent crime rate in highly disadvantaged Black areas was 22 per 1,000 residents, not much different from the 20 per 1,000 rate in similar white communities.




http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/badcomm.htm

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Pew Research Center reported that the median white household was worth $141,900, 12.9 times more than the typical black household, which was worth just $11,000.




http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/12/15/the_black_white_wealth_gap_it_s_bigger_than_you_even_think.html

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In 1954, the earliest year for which the Bureau of Labor Statistics has consistent unemployment data by race, the white rate averaged 5% and the black rate averaged 9.9%. Last month, the jobless rate among whites was 6.6%; among blacks, 12.6%. Over that time, the unemployment rate for blacks has averaged about 2.2 times that for whites.




http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/08/21/through-good-times-and-bad-black-unemployment-is-consistently-double-that-of-whites/

Now, I know how much you folks like defending your racism. I've clearly outlined for you why this is not a race issue but a poverty issue. If you want to cling to your fucked up Southern redneck value system (The one that causes you to troll my ratings with lies) go right on ahead. I just wanted you to see that the facts are not on your side.

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    #21972282 - 07/20/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Those people happen to be impoverished due to the societies attitude toward them, which is based on race, therefore the solution is also based on race. How could it not be?




Why do you discount the broken families and entitlement culture?  You are begging the question.  They are impoverished due to their personal and family culture, ethics and beliefs.  That is why blacks who migrate here from real poverty in Africa do well compared to blacks born into relative poverty here in the US.  Its not race, its culture, belief and ethics.

Again, you are giving them the benefit of the doubt.  That is a privilege they enjoy.  The failures of a black man are owned by society, his successes are personal triumphs.  The failures of a white man in spite of all all his "white privilege" must mean he is a real piece of shit, his success are owned by society that gave it to him.


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    #21972405 - 07/20/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Those people happen to be impoverished due to the societies attitude toward them, which is based on race, therefore the solution is also based on race. How could it not be?




Why do you discount the broken families and entitlement culture?  You are begging the question.  They are impoverished due to their personal and family culture, ethics and beliefs.  That is why blacks who migrate here from real poverty in Africa do well compared to blacks born into relative poverty here in the US.  Its not race, its culture, belief and ethics.

Again, you are giving them the benefit of the doubt.  That is a privilege they enjoy.  The failures of a black man are owned by society, his successes are personal triumphs.  The failures of a white man in spite of all all his "white privilege" must mean he is a real piece of shit, his success are owned by society that gave it to him.




I actually addressed broken families clearly. I am not a conservative, so I don't follow your 'entitlement culture' line of horse shit, and you're not likely to sell me on it.

I don't give them the benefit of the doubt, I am looking at the facts, as I have presented to you. Crime and divorce are highly correlated with poverty.

I am a white man, I have said nothing of white privilege, and I hold no negative views toward white people, or any people for that matter.


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    #21972705 - 07/20/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Crime is the product of poverty, not skin color, you silly assholes:

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Persons in poor households at or below the Federal Poverty Level (FPL) (39.8 per 1,000) had more than double the rate of violent victimization as persons in high-income households (16.9 per 1,000).




http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5137

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"Poor two-parent families were about twice as likely to break up as were two-parent families not in poverty,"




http://www.nytimes.com/1993/01/15/us/poverty-termed-a-divorce-factor.html




The violent crime rate in highly disadvantaged Black areas was 22 per 1,000 residents, not much different from the 20 per 1,000 rate in similar white communities.




http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/badcomm.htm

Quote:

Pew Research Center reported that the median white household was worth $141,900, 12.9 times more than the typical black household, which was worth just $11,000.




http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/12/15/the_black_white_wealth_gap_it_s_bigger_than_you_even_think.html

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In 1954, the earliest year for which the Bureau of Labor Statistics has consistent unemployment data by race, the white rate averaged 5% and the black rate averaged 9.9%. Last month, the jobless rate among whites was 6.6%; among blacks, 12.6%. Over that time, the unemployment rate for blacks has averaged about 2.2 times that for whites.




http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/08/21/through-good-times-and-bad-black-unemployment-is-consistently-double-that-of-whites/

Now, I know how much you folks like defending your racism. I've clearly outlined for you why this is not a race issue but a poverty issue. If you want to cling to your fucked up Southern redneck value system (The one that causes you to troll my ratings with lies) go right on ahead. I just wanted you to see that the facts are not on your side.

As far as affirmative action: This is a measure that our society has taken to lift the people who have been subjected to mistreatment for a century out of poverty. Those people happen to be impoverished due to the societies attitude toward them, which is based on race, therefore the solution is also based on race. How could it not be?

We need to lift people out of poverty if we ever hope to reduce crime rates.




"Not a race issue but a poverty issue"

No, it's a behavioral issue, poor behavior LEADS to poverty.  It means not living your life for immediate gratification, it means a focus on the family unit, it means a strong emphasis on education, it means acting financially responsible. It means NOT HAVING CHILDREN YOU CAN'T SUPPORT.

You're looking at the results of their behavior and then blaming the results for their poverty, talk about ass-backwards thinking.


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    #21972954 - 07/20/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I this a behavioral issue?:

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"Job applicants with white names needed to send about 10 resumes to get one callback; those with African-American names needed to send around 15 resumes to get one callback."




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I this a behavioral issue?:

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"Job applicants with white names needed to send about 10 resumes to get one callback; those with African-American names needed to send around 15 resumes to get one callback."




http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html




Another hack study, why do you even bother with such nonsense?

From your link- "If the fictitious resume indicates that the applicant lives in a...more educated...neighborhood the callback rate rises" 

Amazing, employers wanting applicants from a area that values education instead of the ghetto.

"weakness of the study is that is simply measures callbacks for interviews, not whether an applicant gets the job...the results cannot be translated into hiring rates."


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Bigbadwooof said:
I this a behavioral issue?:

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"Job applicants with white names needed to send about 10 resumes to get one callback; those with African-American names needed to send around 15 resumes to get one callback."




http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html




Another hack study, why do you even bother with such nonsense?

From your link- "If the fictitious resume indicates that the applicant lives in a...more educated...neighborhood the callback rate rises" 

Amazing, employers wanting applicants from a area that values education instead of the ghetto.

"weakness of the study is that is simply measures callbacks for interviews, not whether an applicant gets the job...the results cannot be translated into hiring rates."




You're strengthening my argument regardless. You're essentially saying that poor people are less likely to get jobs because they are poor. It has nothing to do with their character or their 'behavior'.

I'm trying to remember, are you the person I was arguing with the other day that said 'all poor people are lazy'?


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Bigbadwooof said:
Quote:

qman said:
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Bigbadwooof said:
I this a behavioral issue?:

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"Job applicants with white names needed to send about 10 resumes to get one callback; those with African-American names needed to send around 15 resumes to get one callback."




http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html




Another hack study, why do you even bother with such nonsense?

From your link- "If the fictitious resume indicates that the applicant lives in a...more educated...neighborhood the callback rate rises" 

Amazing, employers wanting applicants from a area that values education instead of the ghetto.

"weakness of the study is that is simply measures callbacks for interviews, not whether an applicant gets the job...the results cannot be translated into hiring rates."




You're strengthening my argument regardless. You're essentially saying that poor people are less likely to get jobs because they are poor. It has nothing to do with their character or their 'behavior'.

I'm trying to remember, are you the person I was arguing with the other day that said 'all poor people are lazy'?




"saying that poor people are less likely to get jobs because they are poor"

No, I didn't say that.  The whole study is bunk, even the study admits that fact.

"all poor people are lazy?"

I would never say that, many factors play a role in poverty, many are out of peoples control and some key factors are in peoples control.


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    #21973533 - 07/20/15 11:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ok, that must have been someone else. I agree there are many factors involved.

Would you agree that many aspects of poverty perpetuate that poverty, which are out of people's hands?


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    #21973953 - 07/21/15 01:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

When is someone going to speak out on the white on white crime? :smirk:


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