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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: clam_dude]
    #21933436 - 07/12/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>How about the fact that there is a much higher number of black people in prison for non-violent crimes, marijuana possession for example, than white people?  How about the fact that because of this, many young black kids grow up without fathers?

Whose fault is that? Is it white people's fault blacks commit crimes more often? Black kids grow up without fathers because their fathers don't give a damn.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21933519 - 07/12/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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>How about the fact that there is a much higher number of black people in prison for non-violent crimes, marijuana possession for example, than white people?  How about the fact that because of this, many young black kids grow up without fathers?

Whose fault is that? Is it white people's fault blacks commit crimes more often? Black kids grow up without fathers because their fathers don't give a damn.




There are more white people that possess drugs than black people, yet there are more black people in jail for drug possession.  Sure, black people commit more violent crimes (which can be explained in other ways than to say black people are more inherently violent), that's why I specified non-violent for the purpose of this example.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: clam_dude]
    #21933530 - 07/12/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The funny thing is that it's because of people like you that there need to be programs like affirmative action in the first place.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: clam_dude]
    #21933550 - 07/12/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, black violent crime is white people's fault too because there was slavery a few hundred years ago. Got any other nonsense to share?


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: clam_dude]
    #21933555 - 07/12/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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The funny thing is that it's because of people like you that there need to be programs like affirmative action in the first place.




Lmao... The irony here is surely lost.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21933766 - 07/12/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah, black violent crime is white people's fault too because there was slavery a few hundred years ago. Got any other nonsense to share?




Why don't you address my initial point about the non-violent crimes?

Btw, slavery ended just 150 years ago, or 5 or 6 generations.  And nobody is saying that white people today are all responsible for black crimes.  Pretty much everything you say is a distortion of reality.  Nothing worse than a racist who can't even form a proper argument.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: clam_dude]
    #21934100 - 07/12/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>Nothing worse than a racist who can't even form a proper argument.

You just shot yourself in the foot.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21934129 - 07/12/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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>Nothing worse than a racist who can't even form a proper argument.

You just shot yourself in the foot.




I'm still waiting to hear what you have to say about my initial question.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: clam_dude]
    #21934216 - 07/12/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Blacks sell on the street to any stranger that comes up. Not all perhaps but that is the main pattern. Whites are a little smarter about dealing. But according to you, they get arrested for no reason. :flowstone:


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21934671 - 07/12/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Blacks sell on the street to any stranger that comes up. Not all perhaps but that is the main pattern. Whites are a little smarter about dealing. But according to you, they get arrested for no reason. :flowstone:




That's because they are marginalized in our society. Selling crack is a job for black kids, in a market where they can't find employment. They literally call crack 'work'. Selling crack on the street pays roughly $12/hour. When you have a minimum wage of $7.25, and a high rate of unemployment, particularly in the young black community, this is how they make money.

Interestingly enough, the criminal charges for dealing crack (Which is almost exclusively dealt by black kids) is some 10 times as harsh as that for cocaine, despite the fact that these are exactly the same drug. However, powder cocaine is consumed more often by white folks, and the criminal charges are significantly lower.

I would also like to challenge your claim that white people handle their drugs 'smarter'. In Furguson, for example, the percentage of black people stopped found to be carrying drugs was lower than the percentage of white folks stopped, yet black people were stopped far more often.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21934689 - 07/12/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>That's because they are marginalized in our society.

Horseshit

>the criminal charges for dealing crack (Which is almost exclusively dealt by black kids) is some 10 times as harsh as that for cocaine

True, but obumble, himself a negro, has done nothing about that.

>I would also like to challenge your claim that white people handle their drugs 'smarter'

You just got done telling us that negro kids sell on the street corner. You call that smart? Blame their parents, their peers, but you can't blame it on slavery a couple hundred years ago.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21935331 - 07/12/15 10:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Slavery has had a huge impact all the way to modern day America. You know, civil rights has only been a thing for 50 years.

Slavery wasn't that long ago. I will put it in perspective for you:

If you are age 35 and your direct ancestors were all born to 35 year old mothers, you would only have to go back four generations to find an ancestor born into slavery.

If you are 20 years old and your direct ancestors were all first-born to young mothers, you would have to go back 7 generations to get to 1865.

So we know that a lot of a person's culture comes from their parents, and a significant portion of education happens at home. Generally a large portion of your worldview and understanding of finances, the economy, how to get a good job, etc, come from your family. Much of your success is determined by the success of your parents. Civil rights only occurred 2 generations before today's adults. So black people haven't even been allowed to grow and assimilate properly into our society throughout most of their history since slavery. Add to that a general stigma, such as your own, against them, and the problem is quite clear.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21935350 - 07/12/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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True, but obumble, himself a negro, has done nothing about that.





:thisisterrible:
how does it always come down to this?
as if Obama could, with a wave of his hand, change all the state sentencing laws.  Even if he could, think of the precedent that would set.
I mean, i guess he could order that crack sales not be prosecuted as a crime, at least until presented with a writ of mandemus from SCOTUS, but what would that accomplish?  he could commute all the current sentences for people currently incarcerated for crack sales, but again, what would that accomplish?  No, the responsibility falls directly on the legislature for both federal and state sentencing laws.
but don't worry stonefuck, i'm sure there are plenty of other things to blame Obama for


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21935673 - 07/12/15 11:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

lets settle this debate with a video that I think clearly sums up this argument...

I bet he only gets pulled over because he is black...


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #21935710 - 07/13/15 12:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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lets settle this debate with a video that I think clearly sums up this argument...

I bet he only gets pulled over because he is black...




I can find you the same video of some meth dealin white redneck... that doesn't sum up shit. My argument actually makes fucking sense.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21935731 - 07/13/15 12:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

the video gave me lulz...


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21936346 - 07/13/15 08:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>My argument actually makes fucking sense.

Only to fellow dingbats. You say its "only" 7 generations ago like that was the week before last. I have news for you, all those people are dead, their kids are dead, and grandkids. You talk like we are supposed to sit around and moan over what happened to our ancestors.


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21936889 - 07/13/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Slavery has had a huge impact all the way to modern day America. You know, civil rights has only been a thing for 50 years.

Slavery wasn't that long ago. I will put it in perspective for you:

If you are age 35 and your direct ancestors were all born to 35 year old mothers, you would only have to go back four generations to find an ancestor born into slavery.

If you are 20 years old and your direct ancestors were all first-born to young mothers, you would have to go back 7 generations to get to 1865.

So we know that a lot of a person's culture comes from their parents, and a significant portion of education happens at home. Generally a large portion of your worldview and understanding of finances, the economy, how to get a good job, etc, come from your family. Much of your success is determined by the success of your parents. Civil rights only occurred 2 generations before today's adults. So black people haven't even been allowed to grow and assimilate properly into our society throughout most of their history since slavery. Add to that a general stigma, such as your own, against them, and the problem is quite clear.




You do realize that other cultures that immigrated into the US didn't come from ideal conditions?  They just came over and didn't hold on to the past and make excuses about everything, what do you think works better?


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: qman]
    #21937051 - 07/13/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, why is it the poles, slavs, Ukrainians, etc etc etc who came fleeing from oppression aren't whining that they can't get ahead since they had bad conditions? Why aren't they demanding a handout like the blacks are?


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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21937082 - 07/13/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You're missing a central part of my argument. I made no argument referring to holding onto the past. Only that the past effects the future. I'm not going to break it down again if you're too thick to understand.


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