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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: WAN]
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: qman]
#21889164 - 07/02/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Of course if the story ever makes it into the media they will sanitize it by saying some "youths" did it carefully avoiding the obvious. I see so many stories where they describe the suspect to a T but avoid mentioning certain things. Like "he wore a light shirt with dark pants, stood about 6' tall" They forget to mention race because that might make people prejudiced.
Just another example of black privilege.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge]
#21889178 - 07/02/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Of course if the story ever makes it into the media they will sanitize it by saying some "youths" did it carefully avoiding the obvious. I see so many stories where they describe the suspect to a T but avoid mentioning certain things. Like "he wore a light shirt with dark pants, stood about 6' tall" They forget to mention race because that might make people prejudiced.
Just another example of black privilege.
Someone just canceled the thread on this Wal-Mart story in the pub for no reason, good job Mods, if you delete a story it never happened.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: qman]
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Stonehenge said: Of course if the story ever makes it into the media they will sanitize it by saying some "youths" did it carefully avoiding the obvious. I see so many stories where they describe the suspect to a T but avoid mentioning certain things. Like "he wore a light shirt with dark pants, stood about 6' tall" They forget to mention race because that might make people prejudiced.
Just another example of black privilege.
Someone just canceled the thread on this Wal-Mart story in the pub for no reason, good job Mods, if you delete a story it never happened. 
Are mods censoring threads on shroomery?
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: WAN]
#21889298 - 07/02/15 06:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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To BallSalsa:
I just figured out what the logical fallacy it is that you are committing. Ok maybe it's not a real fallacy but it sure is a bad, irrational way of thinking: I believe that you are speaking out of hysteria when it comes to racism. You think that if people embrace racism, they will all invariably turn into genocidal maniacs. This line of thinking is very similar to that of prohibitionists of alcohol. Basically they said that the consumption of alcohol would lead to violence and crime, so they wanted it banned. But what they didn't realize was that some people were capable of using alcohol responsibly.
You are acting very much like these early prohibitionists. They acted out of hysteria, and so do you.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: WAN]
#21889332 - 07/02/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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invariably? no.
quite often? sure.
i gonna cite a bunch of examples now.
http://endgenocide.org/learn/past-genocides/
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Beginning in 1915, ethnic Armenians living in the Ottoman Empire were rounded up, deported and executed on orders of the government.
The combination of massacres, forced deportation marches and deaths due to disease in concentration camps is estimated to have killed more than 1 million ethnic Armenians, Assyrians and Greeks between 1915 and 1923.
After coming to power in 1933, Germany's Nazi Party implemented a highly organized strategy of persecution, murder and genocide aimed at ethnically "purifying" Germany, a plan Hitler called the “Final Solution”.
Six million Jews and five million Slavs, Roma, disabled, Jehovah’s Witnesses, homosexuals, and political and religious dissidents were killed during the Holocaust.
Civil war broke out in Rwanda in 1990, exacerbating tensions between the Tutsi minority and Hutu majority.
In 1994, returning from a round of talks, Rwandan President Juvenal Habyarimana was killed when his plane was shot down outside of the country’s capital, Kigali.
Habyarimana’s death provided the spark for an organized campaign of violence against Tutsi and moderate Hutu civilians across the country.
Beginning in 1991, Yugoslavia began to break up along ethnic lines.
When the republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina (Bosnia) declared independence in 1992 the region quickly became the central theater of fighting.
The Serbs targeted Bosniak and Croatian civilians in areas under their control in a campaign of ethnic cleansing. The war in Bosnia claimed the lives of an estimated 100,000 people.
Over a decade ago the Government of Sudan carried out genocide against Darfuri civilians, murdering 300,000 & displacing over 2 million people.
In addition to the ongoing crisis in Darfur, forces under the command of Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir have carried out attacks against civilians in the disputed Abyei territory, and the states of South Kordofan and Blue Nile.
those are just some highlights from the last 100 years
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29 genocides, prevention of genocide has absolute priority. When it comes to civil war one needs to consider first what the war is about – it might indeed even be about preventing genocide. Policies to prevent genocide Since civil war itself is one of the predisposin g conditions which can give rise to genocide, policies which effectively prev ent civil war should also cont ribute to the prevention of genocide. Moreover, many of the policies that are likely to prevent civil war also are likely to reduce the risk of genocide. Countries at risk of genocidal episodes in the near future ar e likely to be authoritarian, centralised, with very few check s on power; and they are likely to exclude significant groups in society from power and from fair terms with respect to economic and social resources.
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/worse-than-war/stories-essays/understanding-genocides/eliminationism/26/
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: ballsalsa]
#21889350 - 07/02/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: invariably? no.
quite often? sure.
i gonna cite a bunch of examples now.
I edited out a large part of your post as not to confuse any readers.
Basically, you are admitting that racism does NOT invariably lead to genocides, right?
Also, did you see this post:
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To BallSalsa:
I just figured out what the logical fallacy it is that you are committing. Ok maybe it's not a real fallacy but it sure is a bad, irrational way of thinking: I believe that you are speaking out of hysteria when it comes to racism. You think that if people embrace racism, they will all invariably turn into genocidal maniacs. This line of thinking is very similar to that of prohibitionists of alcohol. Basically they said that the consumption of alcohol would lead to violence and crime, so they wanted it banned. But what they didn't realize was that some people were capable of using alcohol responsibly.
You are acting very much like these early prohibitionists. They acted out of hysteria, and so do you.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: WAN]
#21889395 - 07/02/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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that is correct. nothing is absolute when youre talking about human behavior, so it is conceivable that there could be a thoroughly racist society that does not commit genocide.
and yes, i saw the other post. i don't think it is hysterical at all to say that racism can contribute to genocide(or other violence). 
and to be clear, i don't think you should be denied your right to think or say racist things. I do think it is important to try to reason with people and eliminate or reduce racism where possible. I admit that visual racial traits are an easy way to divide people into groups, but i respectfully submit that individual merit is a better(if more difficult)way to classify people
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: ballsalsa]
#21889416 - 07/02/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I guess we will just have to agree to disagree
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: WAN]
#21889430 - 07/02/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Actually, to add:
You didn't say that racism "can" lead to violence/pogrom/genocides, etc. you said that it "leads" to those things.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: WAN]
#21889505 - 07/02/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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now i have clarified my position.
I readily admit that racism seems natural, as natural as theft, rape, and murder. The thing about it is that civilization is arguably based on inhibiting nature(including natural urges like racism, theft, rape, and murder). In my mind, the ability to overcome our baser nature is what separates man from beast(though we aren't always equal to the task).
I will end my side of this debate with (what else?) a bible verse
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: ballsalsa]
#21889513 - 07/02/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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^I disagree that racism is bad and is tantamount to rape, murder, war etc. It is natural, though.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: WAN]
#21889672 - 07/02/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Black privilege is not a thing, because despite what measures we've taken to level the playing field, I would still prefer to be white! Life is easier for me as a white man.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21889704 - 07/02/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: Black privilege is not a thing, because despite what measures we've taken to level the playing field, I would still prefer to be white! Life is easier for me as a white man.
And would you not want that privilege to be passed down to your children, your children's children, and on and on and on?
Think of the life of your half-Kuwait brother. Is that the kind of life you want your children to experience?
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21889748 - 07/02/15 07:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: Black privilege is not a thing,
Typical left wing denial of reality. And how does he justify it?
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because despite what measures we've taken to level the playing field, I would still prefer to be white! Life is easier for me as a white man.
Which you don't know, have no idea about and just say out of knee jerk ideology. The playing field is no longer level, its slanted in favor of blacks and certain other groups. Rich blacks get the same racist benefits as poor ones, how does that level anything?
If you want to disagree with something more than an opinion, lets see some facts? I know you folks don't like them but lets look at facts.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge]
#21889765 - 07/02/15 07:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: If you want to disagree with something more than an opinion, lets see some facts? I know you folks don't like them but lets look at facts.
whatever you do, don't present stonehenge with facts. you will immediately go on ignore, so that he can go back to claiming that everyone (except him) hates facts
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: WAN]
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Bigbadwooof said: Black privilege is not a thing, because despite what measures we've taken to level the playing field, I would still prefer to be white! Life is easier for me as a white man.
And would you not want that privilege to be passed down to your children, your children's children, and on and on and on?
Think of the life of your half-Kuwait brother. Is that the kind of life you want your children to experience?
My brother is an incredible human being. I want his children to have everything that mine would (I will not be having children). Sadly, that is unlikely.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge]
#21889853 - 07/02/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: Black privilege is not a thing,
Typical left wing denial of reality. And how does he justify it?
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because despite what measures we've taken to level the playing field, I would still prefer to be white! Life is easier for me as a white man.
Which you don't know, have no idea about and just say out of knee jerk ideology. The playing field is no longer level, its slanted in favor of blacks and certain other groups. Rich blacks get the same racist benefits as poor ones, how does that level anything?
If you want to disagree with something more than an opinion, lets see some facts? I know you folks don't like them but lets look at facts.
Sorry stoney, but I do have facts. I like being able to hail a cab easier than blacks, fact. I like seeing my race run the country I live in, fact. I like that I have wealthy relatives, and all of the benefits from that (which black folks generally don't have). I like that I can go work in a machine shop full of 'good ol' boys' and as long as I keep my liberal views to myself, nobody will try to get me fired for my skin color, like a blacm person (I speak from experience). I like that I am significantly more likely to get interviewed for a job, because I have a caucasian sounding name. I like that police won't ever 'stop and frisk' me because of my skin color. I like that my race has been established as the standard for beauty in our society. I like that I don't lower property value just by living in certain neighborhoods. I like that if I were religious, I could go to church and not have my church shot up. I like that if I chase black pussy nobody bats an eye, or shows aggression toward me.
I could go on and on. These are facts, my friend.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21889995 - 07/02/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Woof, oh woof. I think your heart is in the right place but you see everything from a certain viewpoint only. I think you have some points, being a member of a group known to steal means you get watched more than others. I know exactly what its like. Teenagers are treated exactly that way in my experience as a teen. Its not fair to some but the average teen was kind of unreliable so people saw all of them that way. What is the remedy to that situation?
Should teens be given the same rights as adults and if not, is that discrimination? Before someone tells us discrimination is not illegal unless blah blah blah, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about is it right to discriminate against a group based on the habits of the average of the group? Like teens in general? Or like black people in general? Or black teens in general? Is watching someone more carefully harassment or why would it be wrong? You want to discuss issues or just rant?
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge]
#21890019 - 07/02/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stone has a very good point (again!). Take insurance, for example. These life insurance companies charge young males the highest premiums, because this group of people have the highest rate of un-safe driving tendencies (they like to race and things like that). And even though my brother is not at all like that (he drives very cautiously and will never in a million years race against anybody), but he still has to pay for those outrageously high premiums, if he wants to purchase insurance policies.
People make generalizations about all kinds of people and all groups. It's just the way life is. You can cry about how it's wrong, how its not fair but it won't change peoples behavior/s one bit.
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