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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Asante]
#21888608 - 07/02/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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>What I DO support is a kind of action to be taken that allows for black people to rise beyond the point of disadvantage where it is now.
Aren't they "allowed" to rise up now? Or are you saying they have a handicap built in of some sort and need a crutch or wheelchair to get around in life? What kind of action do you support besides handouts and racist favoritism?
>Your point of view about race is upside down Stonehenge
That's what I would have said about you. I want equality of opportunity, you want equality of outcome.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: ballsalsa]
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Asante said: Your point of view is racist.
so?
you want to know why racism is bad? It is bad because it promotes the idea that one group of humans is somehow lesser than another. this leads some people to conclude that it is ok to treat one sub-group poorly compared to another(based on appearance). This is a bad thing, because it leads to things like The American Civil War, and WW2. It also leads to things like the Japanese internment camps here in the US during the war. It leads to pogroms and genocides, because after all, those people are inferior to these people, so that makes it ok. Racism promotes violence by marginalizing the humanity of the victims.
All of those things happened in the past. As long as we the present-day people are careful not to repeat past atrocities, I don't see why we shouldn't embrace racism (and Truth). The truth of the matter, is that some groups truly are less desirable (you can also say inferior here) than others. This view is OK to promote and hold as long as we don't repeat the history.
In fact, if you people will come to see The Light, admitting that some races are inferior than others is actually a good thing. It galvanizes you (or I should say, them) to want to do something about it. And by this, I am referring to genetic manipulations of genomes. Only by realizing and admitting that blacks and Asians are inferior to whites will we get on the true path to prosperity and success. White people are lucky that their ancestors were faced with truly hostile environments that severely culled the herd, and this is why present-day white people have such superior genes. But the rest of us shouldn't despair. We now have, or soon will, the technology to re-write our genes, as to make them better. But if we keep covering up our eyes and ears and chant "we are just as good as white people", we will never truly advance, and will, ironically, remain forever behind white people in terms of evolutionary fitness.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: WAN]
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Asians are way ahead of that other group, no doubt about it.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: WAN]
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Asante said: Your point of view is racist.
so?
you want to know why racism is bad? It is bad because it promotes the idea that one group of humans is somehow lesser than another. this leads some people to conclude that it is ok to treat one sub-group poorly compared to another(based on appearance). This is a bad thing, because it leads to things like The American Civil War, and WW2. It also leads to things like the Japanese internment camps here in the US during the war. It leads to pogroms and genocides, because after all, those people are inferior to these people, so that makes it ok. Racism promotes violence by marginalizing the humanity of the victims.
All of those things happened in the past. As long as we the present-day people are careful not to repeat past atrocities, I don't see why we shouldn't embrace racism (and Truth). The truth of the matter, is that some groups truly are less desirable (you can also say inferior here) than others. This view is OK to promote and hold as long as we don't repeat the history.
In fact, if you people will come to see The Light, admitting that some races are inferior than others is actually a good thing. It galvanizes you (or I should say, them) to want to do something about it. And by this, I am referring to genetic manipulations of genomes. Only by realizing and admitting that blacks and Asians are inferior to whites will we get on the true path to prosperity and success. White people are lucky that their ancestors were faced with truly hostile environments that severely culled the herd, and this is why present-day white people have such superior genes. But the rest of us shouldn't despair. We now have, or soon will, the technology to re-write our genes, as to make them better. But if we keep covering up our eyes and ears and chant "we are just as good as white people", we will never truly advance, and will, ironically, remain forever behind white people in terms of evolutionary fitness.
I have to admit you have guts to make that post, I'm not saying that the post is accurate or not, but you have guts.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said: Asians are way ahead of that other group, no doubt about it.
teeheehee, stone! I am blushing now.
Although Asians are still behind white people. This I admit.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: qman]
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I have to admit you have guts to make that post, I'm not saying that the post is accurate or not, but you have guts. 
Omg! My first post of recognition from Qman!
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: WAN]
#21888673 - 07/02/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Guts is good but asante is watching like a hawk. "this one does not agree with political correctness, must be show the error of their ways"
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge]
#21888708 - 07/02/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I really hope the moderators here will not ban people based on whether that person's posts adhere to their worldviews and values. My impression is that this forum is a place where people can say whatever they want without fear of being persecuted for their beliefs.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge]
#21888724 - 07/02/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: >What I DO support is a kind of action to be taken that allows for black people to rise beyond the point of disadvantage where it is now.
Aren't they "allowed" to rise up now? Or are you saying they have a handicap built in of some sort and need a crutch or wheelchair to get around in life? What kind of action do you support besides handouts and racist favoritism?
>Your point of view about race is upside down Stonehenge
That's what I would have said about you. I want equality of opportunity, you want equality of outcome.
Equality of opportunity...that's a really good point. I think that many AA supporters might point out that AA is designed to provide a something comparable. The idea is that minorities face hiring discrimination in the private sector. Without even getting into numbers, this seems logical to some degree. After all, if you were holding two outstanding resumes, and had to decide between them, would it make a difference to you if one was named Raymond, and the other was named Raekwon? I'll bet it would. I once had a boss that wouldn't hire a black guy because he was worried that he would make a racist joke or something and the guy would quit and make legal trouble for him. a lot of old timers are like that. Anyway, the idea is that by giving some preference in hiring to minorities in the Public sector, it will offset some of the private sector racism. It all follows a certain sort of logic, though it is distasteful to many
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge]
#21888734 - 07/02/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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From PBW's own link- "People do not assume I got where I am professionally because of my race (or because of Affirmative Action programs)
In the attempt to make a argument for "white privilege", this moron stated the whole truth with this statement.
Even highly qualified blacks do NOT get the respect in their professional fields because everyone assumes they would never be in that position without a handout, that's NOT how you advance a group of people who might be disadvantaged.
Would you want a black attorney representing you in a serious criminal case?
Would you want a black doctor giving his medical expertise when your own life is on the line?
Would you want a black manager responsible for the survival of your own business?
The answer is NO for all of them because there's a very strong chance he's not qualified because people have given him special treatment for being in that position.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: ballsalsa]
#21888751 - 07/02/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: >What I DO support is a kind of action to be taken that allows for black people to rise beyond the point of disadvantage where it is now.
Aren't they "allowed" to rise up now? Or are you saying they have a handicap built in of some sort and need a crutch or wheelchair to get around in life? What kind of action do you support besides handouts and racist favoritism?
>Your point of view about race is upside down Stonehenge
That's what I would have said about you. I want equality of opportunity, you want equality of outcome.
Equality of opportunity...that's a really good point. I think that many AA supporters might point out that AA is designed to provide a something comparable. The idea is that minorities face hiring discrimination in the private sector. Without even getting into numbers, this seems logical to some degree. After all, if you were holding two outstanding resumes, and had to decide between them, would it make a difference to you if one was named Raymond, and the other was named Raekwon? I'll bet it would. I once had a boss that wouldn't hire a black guy because he was worried that he would make a racist joke or something and the guy would quit and make legal trouble for him. a lot of old timers are like that. Anyway, the idea is that by giving some preference in hiring to minorities in the Public sector, it will offset some of the private sector racism. It all follows a certain sort of logic, though it is distasteful to many
"will offset some of the private sector racism"
The racism in the private sector is on white people, blacks get preferential treatment in the private sector. There are quotas in the private sector and that means putting highly unqualified minorities into positions they shouldn't be in, that's not good for anyone.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: ballsalsa]
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Stonehenge said: >What I DO support is a kind of action to be taken that allows for black people to rise beyond the point of disadvantage where it is now.
Aren't they "allowed" to rise up now? Or are you saying they have a handicap built in of some sort and need a crutch or wheelchair to get around in life? What kind of action do you support besides handouts and racist favoritism?
>Your point of view about race is upside down Stonehenge
That's what I would have said about you. I want equality of opportunity, you want equality of outcome.
Equality of opportunity...that's a really good point. I think that many AA supporters might point out that AA is designed to provide a something comparable. The idea is that minorities face hiring discrimination in the private sector. Without even getting into numbers, this seems logical to some degree. After all, if you were holding two outstanding resumes, and had to decide between them, would it make a difference to you if one was named Raymond, and the other was named Raekwon? I'll bet it would. I once had a boss that wouldn't hire a black guy because he was worried that he would make a racist joke or something and the guy would quit and make legal trouble for him. a lot of old timers are like that. Anyway, the idea is that by giving some preference in hiring to minorities in the Public sector, it will offset some of the private sector racism. It all follows a certain sort of logic, though it is distasteful to many
You are assuming that racism is "bad", and "must be off-set". But guess what? Racism is natural. It is not bad, either. Ever notice how super-hot blondes get preferential treatments from gents, all the time? Its because of their good looks, and people treat other people differently according to their looks. This isn't bad, this isn't unnatural. In fact, I'd say this is just one of the ways that life works.
If I were a business owner, I would not want to hire black people either. I would much rather hire blond boys because I like blond guys and by having them at work, I would possibly get the chance to date them. Plus they make eye candies too, which is another bonus.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: ballsalsa]
#21888774 - 07/02/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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All of those things happened in the past. As long as we the present-day people are careful not to repeat past atrocities, I don't see why we shouldn't embrace racism (and Truth). The truth of the matter, is that some groups truly are less desirable (you can also say inferior here) than others. This view is OK to promote and hold as long as we don't repeat the history.
In fact, if you people will come to see The Light, admitting that some races are inferior than others is actually a good thing. It galvanizes you (or I should say, them) to want to do something about it. And by this, I am referring to genetic manipulations of genomes. Only by realizing and admitting that blacks and Asians are inferior to whites will we get on the true path to prosperity and success. White people are lucky that their ancestors were faced with truly hostile environments that severely culled the herd, and this is why present-day white people have such superior genes. But the rest of us shouldn't despair. We now have, or soon will, the technology to re-write our genes, as to make them better. But if we keep covering up our eyes and ears and chant "we are just as good as white people", we will never truly advance, and will, ironically, remain forever behind white people in terms of evolutionary fitness.
i wish i shared your optimism for humanity's being able to keep from repeating the past. it hasn't worked out that way so far.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: ballsalsa]
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All of those things happened in the past. As long as we the present-day people are careful not to repeat past atrocities, I don't see why we shouldn't embrace racism (and Truth). The truth of the matter, is that some groups truly are less desirable (you can also say inferior here) than others. This view is OK to promote and hold as long as we don't repeat the history.
In fact, if you people will come to see The Light, admitting that some races are inferior than others is actually a good thing. It galvanizes you (or I should say, them) to want to do something about it. And by this, I am referring to genetic manipulations of genomes. Only by realizing and admitting that blacks and Asians are inferior to whites will we get on the true path to prosperity and success. White people are lucky that their ancestors were faced with truly hostile environments that severely culled the herd, and this is why present-day white people have such superior genes. But the rest of us shouldn't despair. We now have, or soon will, the technology to re-write our genes, as to make them better. But if we keep covering up our eyes and ears and chant "we are just as good as white people", we will never truly advance, and will, ironically, remain forever behind white people in terms of evolutionary fitness.
i wish i shared your optimism for humanity's being able to keep from repeating the past. it hasn't worked out that way so far.
You can get personally involved and "guide" us to be on the "right" track, if you are so concerned. Like I said, past atrocities need not be repeated, if we are mindful of them.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: ballsalsa]
#21888941 - 07/02/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You can get personally involved and "guide" us to be on the "right" track, if you are so concerned. Like I said, past atrocities need not be repeated, if we are mindful of them.
yeah, i hear what you are saying, but its been said before. Human behavior seems to change only by degrees throughout written history. thats my take on it anyway. If i had to "guide" anyone to this conclusion it would be by recommending that they read The Strategy of Indirect Approach by B.H. Liddel Hart. which you can do for free here: https://archive.org/stream/strategyofindire035126mbp#page/n9/mode/2up
this single history book sums it up pretty well, without a need for extensive historical knowledge on the reader's part(though, of course, it never hurts)
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: WAN]
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Also, to BallSalsa:
I believe you are committing some sort of logical fallacy when you said that racism would invariably lead to pogroms, wars, and genocides. I believe this is called the slippery slope, or if not that, then jumping to hasty conclusion. The fact is, the chances of racism leading to these things in our contemporary society, are very very slim, because (white) people are so highly sensitive when it comes to things like genocides. They are dead-scared of being accused of being a murderous nazi that they will do whatever it takes to steer clear. In other words, genocides mostly likely won't happen, so you are really worrying about nothing much.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: WAN]
#21888980 - 07/02/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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genocides are happening all over the world. what are you talking about?
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: ballsalsa]
#21888986 - 07/02/15 04:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: genocides are happening all over the world. what are you talking about?
Not in Western countries though.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: WAN]
#21889003 - 07/02/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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right now.
if you had to guess, would you think that human history has been a perfect linear progression from living in caves to modern western society? or that there were many dark and backwards times scattered throughout?(some people think that these are the dark and backwards times)
If you guessed the latter, you would be correct. I don't trust the future enough to say "well let's just be careful not to have any genocides, and then racism will be cool"
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said: right now.
if you had to guess, would you think that human history has been a perfect linear progression from living in caves to modern western society? or that there were many dark and backwards times scattered throughout?(some people think that these are the dark and backwards times)
If you guessed the latter, you would be correct. I don't trust the future enough to say "well let's just be careful not to have any genocides, and then racism will be cool"
Can you prove that racism will always, invariably, lead to genocides?
I think you are being overly cautious. And that you think too lowly of your fellow whites (I am assuming your white). Do you think that the minute they start to embrace racism, the first thing they will do is to become murderous psychopaths?
I can think of a million things to for them to do that don't carry this kind of bad PR.
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