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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21966725 - 07/19/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Black kids grow up without fathers because their fathers don't give a damn.
My father always gave a damn. My friends growing up were about 50/50 white/black. About 50% of both had intact families. Where I live now is mostly white. When I go to my kid's school, a lot of white dads are absent. Sign of the times that may of hit the black community sooner but just like crack has spread to most communities as the economic situation in our country(us) deteriorates. You say black fathers don't give a damn. I'm sitting watching disney chanel with my daughter as I write this. A black father who gives a damn. I can't think of any father that I know who does not give a damn. So yeah.. it is offensive being told by those who are obviously clueless how I or my friends live. I wish I could find this "privilege" I keep hearing about. I've never seen aa in action and would say it needs to be expanded more if anything. AA certainly is not preventing many from getting jobs. Peace Spock
"you say black fathers don't give a dam"
No, black mothers say black fathers don't give a dam and the statistics also say the same thing, so don't play stupid, instead of denying the truth, why don't you address this real problem like a man?
I think he is addressing the problem like a man. He takes care of his daughter. That's how a man addresses that problem. What would you suggest he do? 'Admit' that those got dang colored folk have genetic problems? That's preposterous.
There are a lot of contributing factors to absentee fathers. Disproportionate prosecution via the justice system is one. These issues are much deeper than you folks are making them out to be, but racists don't care about the facts, they like simple answers to complex problems. No wonder so many of them are conservatives.
I'm white as a sheet, and my father was never around.
No, he's denying that the problem of black absentee fathering even exists, the fact that he takes care of his daughter has NOTHING to do with the discussion.
The justice system has NOTHING to do with black males lacking parental responsibility, stop making excuses for controllable behavior.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: qman]
#21966878 - 07/19/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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qman said: black mothers say black fathers don't give a dam and the statistics also say the same thing, so don't play stupid, instead of denying the truth, why don't you address this real problem like a man?
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr071.pdf
Statistics from the cdc. TL;DR? Black dads are more involved with their kids than white or latino dads. As far as what black mothers say... I don't know. My youngest kids mom is black and can't say shit because she only sees her kid about 12 times a year. Not because she is black but just a piece of shit having nothing to do with the color of her skin. As far as being a man? I don't like to brag but I don't know many men(regardless of color) that do what I do. I taught my kid to read and she has been identified as gifted and reading at a high school level since she was 8. My oldest kid(blue eye,blonde who would never identify herself as white) is also gifted.
I could of given a list of articles saying that black fathers being absent is a myth but I think the CDC is probably the best source that could(I know it won't)put the myth to rest. I'm not some outlier. Most dads I know are involved with their kids.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: spock]
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qman said: black mothers say black fathers don't give a dam and the statistics also say the same thing, so don't play stupid, instead of denying the truth, why don't you address this real problem like a man?
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr071.pdf
Statistics from the cdc. TL;DR? Black dads are more involved with their kids than white or latino dads. As far as what black mothers say... I don't know. My youngest kids mom is black and can't say shit because she only sees her kid about 12 times a year. Not because she is black but just a piece of shit having nothing to do with the color of her skin. As far as being a man? I don't like to brag but I don't know many men(regardless of color) that do what I do. I taught my kid to read and she has been identified as gifted and reading at a high school level since she was 8. My oldest kid(blue eye,blonde who would never identify herself as white) is also gifted.
I could of given a list of articles saying that black fathers being absent is a myth but I think the CDC is probably the best source that could(I know it won't)put the myth to rest. I'm not some outlier. Most dads I know are involved with their kids.
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You mean nonsense stuff like this http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/13/1383179/-The-absent-black-father-myth-debunked-by-CDC#
"Blacks dads are even more likely to THINK it's important to financially provide for their children"
Wow, to take a survey on who THINKS it's important to support your children, but what about ACTUALLY paying for your children, I guess they didn't want to go there. 
"Children living with a parent (mother only) vs two parents between White (18%), Latino or Hispanic (24%) and Black (50%) households."
So the real truth actually comes out of the BS stats, black fathers aren't there, but they THINK it's very important to be supportive. 
You should be embarrassed and ashamed you're even debating this subject.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: qman]
#21967291 - 07/19/15 09:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just because the white kid's mom remarried does not mean their father is involved. You brought up statistics. We both know we can make them say what we want. Can stats be useful? Sure. It is how casinos make their money. I can only speak on what I know. Color of skin does not determine how good a parent is. You think it does. That is racist. If stats agree with you then I still say that it is not as simple as color of skin. You say that I deny a problem exists. No. Absent fathers is a problem regardless of color. I deny the problem exists directly because of skin color. Your 'only a real Scotsman' argument is weak. Does black privilege exist? Hmm. "being black(or biracial) sucks" "slaves were not oppressed". How do you guys know so much about black people?
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: spock] 1
#21969884 - 07/20/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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spock said: Just because the white kid's mom remarried does not mean their father is involved. You brought up statistics. We both know we can make them say what we want. Can stats be useful? Sure. It is how casinos make their money. I can only speak on what I know. Color of skin does not determine how good a parent is. You think it does. That is racist. If stats agree with you then I still say that it is not as simple as color of skin. You say that I deny a problem exists. No. Absent fathers is a problem regardless of color. I deny the problem exists directly because of skin color. Your 'only a real Scotsman' argument is weak. Does black privilege exist? Hmm. "being black(or biracial) sucks" "slaves were not oppressed". How do you guys know so much about black people?
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"Skin color does not determine how good a parent is. You think it does. That is racist"
Yet, "57.6% of black children, 31.2% of Hispanic children, and 20.7% of white children are living absent their BIOLOGICAL fathers" http://www.fathers.com/statistics-and-research/the-extent-of-fatherlessness/
"I deny the problem exists directly because of skin color"
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jul/29/don-lemon/cnns-don-lemon-says-more-72-percent-african-americ/
"72% of African-American births are out of wedlock"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/10/walter-scott-child-support-_n_7036174.html
"nearly 70 percent of the non-custodial parent-debtors were black, even though blacks made up less than 28 percent of South Carolina's population"
The reality is quite clear, black men disproportionately have children they can's afford and are unable to support them, that's not being a good parent.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: qman]
#21969986 - 07/20/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Serial%20Killer%20Information%20Center/Serial%20Killer%20Statistics.pdf
The reality is quite clear. White men disproportionately murder people for enjoyment.
good old statistics, they're great of pigeonholing entire ethnic groups aren't they?
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said: http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Serial%20Killer%20Information%20Center/Serial%20Killer%20Statistics.pdf
The reality is quite clear. White men disproportionately murder people for enjoyment.
good old statistics, they're great of pigeonholing entire ethnic groups aren't they?
Your link doesn't even make that statement, even if it did who gives a crap?
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: qman]
#21970088 - 07/20/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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but, it clearly does....
from 1900-2010, 52.1 percent of serial killers were white.
during the same time period, 90.8 percent were men
the motive for these killings was enjoyment(thrill,lust,power) 46.11 percent of the time
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: ballsalsa]
#21970130 - 07/20/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: but, it clearly does....
from 1900-2010, 52.1 percent of serial killers were white.
during the same time period, 90.8 percent were men
the motive for these killings was enjoyment(thrill,lust,power) 46.11 percent of the time
Considering the white population was over 70-90% in the past 100 years, wouldn't it only make sense that at least 52.1 percent of the serial killers were white? That looks like disproportional under representation.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: qman]
#21970169 - 07/20/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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i suppose that is true, but the total still reflects a majority of white serial killers.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: ballsalsa]
#21970186 - 07/20/15 10:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You said disproportionate, not majority. You were wrong.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: DieCommie]
#21970545 - 07/20/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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yes, i admitted that.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: qman]
#21970591 - 07/20/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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from 1900-2010, 52.1 percent of serial killers were white.
during the same time period, 90.8 percent were men
the motive for these killings was enjoyment(thrill,lust,power) 46.11 percent of the time
Considering the white population was over 70-90% in the past 100 years, wouldn't it only make sense that at least 52.1 percent of the serial killers were white? That looks like disproportional under representation.
wait a minute here, if we assume 80% white in the past 100 years, and we know that men tend to make up less than 50% of the population, that means we can assume the the number of white males not to exceed 40% of the population. at most. yet white males make up 46.09% of serial killers. an over representation by at least 6.09%
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#21970621 - 07/20/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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These hoops you are jumping through to excuse black violence is an example of black privilege. Whatever a statistic shows the interpretation is that whites are worse or whites cause blacks to be worse. Whites get the presumption of guilt, blacks get the benifit of the dobut. That is a privilege they enjoy by virtue of being black.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: qman]
#21970771 - 07/20/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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DieCommie said: These hoops you are jumping through to excuse black violence is an example of black privilege. Whatever a statistic shows the interpretation is that whites are worse or whites cause blacks to be worse. Whites get the presumption of guilt, blacks get the benifit of the dobut. That is a privilege they enjoy by virtue of being black.
wait, what? who was excusing black violence? or any violence for that matter? someone started talking about statistics, so i threw out some stats of my own. 
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Stonehenge said: Black kids grow up without fathers because their fathers don't give a damn.
My father always gave a damn. My friends growing up were about 50/50 white/black. About 50% of both had intact families. Where I live now is mostly white. When I go to my kid's school, a lot of white dads are absent. Sign of the times that may of hit the black community sooner but just like crack has spread to most communities as the economic situation in our country(us) deteriorates. You say black fathers don't give a damn. I'm sitting watching disney chanel with my daughter as I write this. A black father who gives a damn. I can't think of any father that I know who does not give a damn. So yeah.. it is offensive being told by those who are obviously clueless how I or my friends live. I wish I could find this "privilege" I keep hearing about. I've never seen aa in action and would say it needs to be expanded more if anything. AA certainly is not preventing many from getting jobs. Peace Spock
"you say black fathers don't give a dam"
No, black mothers say black fathers don't give a dam and the statistics also say the same thing, so don't play stupid, instead of denying the truth, why don't you address this real problem like a man?
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#21970824 - 07/20/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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wait, what? who was excusing black violence? or any violence for that matter? someone started talking about statistics, so i threw out some stats of my own. 
You threw out cherry picked, irrelevant statistics and formed your own conclusion based on your misinterpretation of them all in an attempt to de-validate qman's statistics which are relevant and stand on their own. This redirection minimizes and excuses the reality portrayed by qman's statistics. This is black privilege... The failure of the black community to maintain healthy family households is shown in statistics. Instead of acknowledging that this exists and is a contributing factor to violence, you throw out a non-sequitur about white serial killers. This re-direction is a function of white guilt and black privilege.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: DieCommie]
#21971025 - 07/20/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: spock]
#21971047 - 07/20/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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No, you have it backwards. You have enjoyed black privilege all your life but have been trained to complain about racism.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: spock]
#21971089 - 07/20/15 02:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Die-Commie said: Whites get the presumption of guilt, blacks get the benifit of the dobut. That is a privilege they enjoy by virtue of being black.
Blacks getting "benifit of dobut" while whites are presumed guilty is just backwards.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324432004578304463789858002
http://www.tampabay.com/news/localgovernment/blacks-disproportionately-arrested-for-marijuana-possession-in-pinellas/2199728
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/18/ferguson-black-arrest-rates/19043207/
"The commission...acknowledging that they (judges) "make sentencing decisions based on many legitimate considerations that are NOT and CANNOT be measured"
Or in other words, the is NO evidence there's anything wrong with the sentencing of blacks at all.
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Re: Does black privilege exist? [Re: Stonehenge]
#21971110 - 07/20/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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How do you know so much about my life?
and yeah racism sucks. I might complain when I see it but at least I'm not whining about shit that does not exist. I do not have it backwards.
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