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Bridgesii psycho0 x pachanoi: thin and damaged
    #21884687 - 07/01/15 07:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So I just bought this Bridgesii psycho0 x pachanoi. Its my first hybrid, ita a seedling bought off an ebay auction. My concerns are he is very thin, about the diameter of a nickel. He was shipped in a small plastic togo cup, one of the ones you'd get a side dish in. It was in terrible looking soil with no perlite, pumice, or sand. His root system is the size of a golfball, hes 12" tall though. He cant support himself so the original owner put 3 wooden skewers around him with a twistie. I repotted him with a much bigger clay pot and some better soil. 2 parts organic potting mix to 1 part pumice 1 part perlite and a handful of coarse river sand. Topped it with pea gravel and redid his skewers with a small rubberband.

He has a little damage at the tip

I havent watered him yet and hes sitting under  shade outside, how ling should I wait before I water and introduce lighr? I want to propagate this guy, could I take cuttings and root middle cuts? And how long should a cutting be?


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Re: Bridgesii psycho0 x pachanoi: thin and damaged [Re: grownright]
    #21884912 - 07/01/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Repotted in dry soil and put into shade is the best way. In my opinion you need to request him to send you a replacement at no cost . if not, monehback guarentee for ebay. That got bruised badly in transit AND it was not well cared for. It is very etiolated. I once got cuttings like that. They have now produced beautiful barrels, but it took two years for good roots to establish. Get your money back.


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Re: Bridgesii psycho0 x pachanoi: thin and damaged [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #21885446 - 07/01/15 10:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Repotted in dry soil and put into shade is the best way. In my opinion you need to request him to send you a replacement at no cost . if not, monehback guarentee for ebay. That got bruised badly in transit AND it was not well cared for. It is very etiolated. I once got cuttings like that. They have now produced beautiful barrels, but it took two years for good roots to establish. Get your money back.



:whathesaid:

Whoever sold you that obviously didn't know what they were doing.

On the bright side, I think that guy will eventually be able to produce a cactus worth something. Just put in the shade in dry soil for now and as it starts growing you can start watering again. Outside, it should start growing thicker than what you have there. After you get some thick growth, I would cut it off, root that cutting and go from there. But as said above, it will take a year or two...


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Re: Bridgesii psycho0 x pachanoi: thin and damaged [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21886059 - 07/02/15 01:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Whoever sold you that obviously didn't know what they were doing.




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Re: Bridgesii psycho0 x pachanoi: thin and damaged [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21886066 - 07/02/15 01:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I got some seedlings from the same auctions as OP and like half of them have died already :sad:

Managed to save at least 4 or 5 so far hopefully but I am definitely pissed as I paid for 10 at least, though they were cheap anyways and they sent 2 or 3 extra.

Going to send them some pictures and wait a day or two for a response then hit up ebay an start the process for a refund :rolleyes:


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Re: Bridgesii psycho0 x pachanoi: thin and damaged [Re: LSoares]
    #21887123 - 07/02/15 09:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Whoever sold you that obviously didn't know what they were doing.




Or knew too well... :\



touché


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Re: Bridgesii psycho0 x pachanoi: thin and damaged [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21889068 - 07/02/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Whoever sold you that obviously didn't know what they were doing.




Or knew too well... :\



touché



QFT, this was immediately my thought once I pulled him out and saw the damage done. The vendor who sold it had another hybrid for sale. It was a Juul's x with I think pachanoi, but all of the pictures of it were taken from the top and angled down to where you couldn't see the body of the cactus itself. If you take a closer look at one of the pictures though you can see that the bottom half looks like an animal used the poor thing as a chew toy. What rattles me more about this whole ordeal is that a sponsor of the shroomery is behind all of this... Will definitely be emailing them here soon.


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Re: Bridgesii psycho0 x pachanoi: thin and damaged [Re: LSoares]
    #21889342 - 07/02/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Whoever sold you that obviously didn't know what they were doing.




Or knew too well... :\




Touché

I would not worry 'bout damage. Whole plant seems it's grown under poor light. Maybe etiolated by purpose to get more height to it faster.

Well it's ugly tip but it's not the problem. imo.

It's rather odd plant is so slim. I've seen much much worse damaged tips and plant will keep on growing. Thickness of the plant I see as problem.


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Re: Bridgesii psycho0 x pachanoi: thin and damaged [Re: intelligentlife]
    #21889486 - 07/02/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I've never tried laying a cactus out like logs to propagate but if I received that I would cut in 2 and grow that way.


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Re: Bridgesii psycho0 x pachanoi: thin and damaged [Re: elborito]
    #21890117 - 07/02/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I've never tried laying a cactus out like logs to propagate but if I received that I would cut in 2 and grow that way.



This sounds like a pretty good idea, I might do that. Im gonna hold off on taking cuttings until after the next winter dormancy, that way he'll have time to recover, and then the cuttings can start growing at the start of the next growing season.


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Re: Bridgesii psycho0 x pachanoi: thin and damaged [Re: grownright]
    #21890396 - 07/02/15 10:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

In the meantime though, I would also introduce it into some good light(preferably sunlight) to try to fatten up what you can. Who knows, you might have a section fat enough by the end of the year to root and start two logs...


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Re: Bridgesii psycho0 x pachanoi: thin and damaged [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21890952 - 07/03/15 12:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That sounds nice to cut it to pieces and let them root at logs. Nice.:thumbup:


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Re: Bridgesii psycho0 x pachanoi: thin and damaged [Re: intelligentlife]
    #21891518 - 07/03/15 06:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have a beautiful bridgesii log.


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Re: Bridgesii psycho0 x pachanoi: thin and damaged [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21892021 - 07/03/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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In the meantime though, I would also introduce it into some good light(preferably sunlight) to try to fatten up what you can. Who knows, you might have a section fat enough by the end of the year to root and start two logs...



Okay cool, I'll start introducing it next week. Its been storming on and off down here in Georgia. I think Wednesday is the next time we'll have a good bit of sunshine.


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Re: Bridgesii psycho0 x pachanoi: thin and damaged [Re: grownright]
    #21892067 - 07/03/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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In the meantime though, I would also introduce it into some good light(preferably sunlight) to try to fatten up what you can. Who knows, you might have a section fat enough by the end of the year to root and start two logs...



Okay cool, I'll start introducing it next week. Its been storming on and off down here in Georgia. I think Wednesday is the next time we'll have a good bit of sunshine.




I'm in the same climate as you. Just be sure when you first put it outside, put it in nearly full shade, and slowly (over the course of weeks) move it into more and more light. Just keep an eye out for 'sunburn'. Keep us updated:thumbup:


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Re: Bridgesii psycho0 x pachanoi: thin and damaged [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21893085 - 07/03/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I received a peruvianus that was tall and skinny like that also.  The seller had a completely different picture of a fat, flawless "A Grade" peruvianus but when I won the auction for less than he wanted he sent me a skinny, etiolated piece of crap with bad fungus damage to large parts of it's skin.  I ended up getting my money back after I sent pics to ebay they agreed with me right away and I kept the cactus too.  It's not actually a piece of crap, I love the little guy now he has pups coming from the base like crazy and they're growing nice and fat (way fatter than the main column). 

The moral of my story is that these plants are fighters, they don't go down easy.  I agree with what the other guys said about giving it indirect sunlight and slowly introducing it to full sun over the course of two weeks or so.  I do think it can take water right now though, since it already has roots.  Your soil mix sounds good so it's just a waiting game now but my guess is that if you put it in full sun it will put on new growth rapidly as long as it's getting enough water. 

My experience (as limited as it is) is that your column itself may not fatten up or at least not for a long time.  I'd bet you're going to get basal pups and the tip will grow out fat but the skinny part will stay skinny, at least for a long time.


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Re: Bridgesii psycho0 x pachanoi: thin and damaged [Re: BigHeart]
    #21897790 - 07/04/15 05:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Emailed world seed supply today, theyre unavailable until the 6th, but I can wait. I sent them all the pictures posted here. I gave thr little guy some water today, probably all hes gonna get til I acclimate him into some sun.

In other news I bought a TBM and it came in the mail yesterday. I went ahead and repotted it in the same mixture as the other seedling is in. He was very rootbound, there were two thick roots hanging out of the bottom a little.

The couple I bought it from on ebay refunded me $5 because I won the auction at $20 and the shipping was 11.50. I didnt even ask for the refund, they just gave it to me lol.


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Re: Bridgesii psycho0 x pachanoi: thin and damaged [Re: grownright]
    #21897855 - 07/04/15 05:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Emailed world seed supply today, theyre unavailable until the 6th, but I can wait. I sent them all the pictures posted here. I gave thr little guy some water today, probably all hes gonna get til I acclimate him into some sun.

In other news I bought a TBM and it came in the mail yesterday. I went ahead and repotted it in the same mixture as the other seedling is in. He was very rootbound, there were two thick roots hanging out of the bottom a little.

The couple I bought it from on ebay refunded me $5 because I won the auction at $20 and the shipping was 11.50. I didnt even ask for the refund, they just gave it to me lol.




Sounds like they are trying to get rid of a guilty conscience. I would email them and tell them it was a kind gesture, but 5 dollars is not going to fix this cactus. Tell them to send a healthy replacement, or you will escalate it to EBAY Resolution center.


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Re: Bridgesii psycho0 x pachanoi: thin and damaged [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #21897927 - 07/04/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I think your mixing things up a bit, what is wrong with that TBM?

20$ seems good to me even with 10$+ shipping, especially with a small refund.

On another note I too am waiting to here back from WSS, I am going to wait a couple more days before starting the ebay refund process.

I think I may have been watching that TBM :lol: I am an ebay trich fiend...


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Re: Bridgesii psycho0 x pachanoi: thin and damaged [Re: musiclover420]
    #21897990 - 07/04/15 06:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

yea, sorry. My opinion is on the super etiolated bridgesii from first post. TBM looks great.


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Re: Bridgesii psycho0 x pachanoi: thin and damaged [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #21906787 - 07/06/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So I went outside to check on him today and heres what I've noticed. His tip is fairly damaged and soft. his body isnt as soft as it was when he first arrived, however he is wrinkled. Here are some pictures up close so you can see, though they're not the best.



What do you guys think? What should I do, leave him to rest for another week or two and then acclimate him to sun? He's still sitting outside on our front porch, which has a roof so hes in shade, but hes getting bright day light. Should I give him ferts anytime soon? I have cactus juice on hand.


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Re: Bridgesii psycho0 x pachanoi: thin and damaged [Re: grownright]
    #21907057 - 07/06/15 08:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Be glad he's alive at least, the wrinkling could just be from a rough journey or something. Same with the damaged tip. Maybe it is getting a bit much sun?

I can't really say what is causing it or what you should do for it :shrug:

I can say however you should email them if you have not already. I am still waiting to hear back myself though,

If I don't hear back in another day or two I will have to just contact ebay as the seedlings I got look almost nothing like the ones in the listings picture.

Health wise at least, and it was like a 3 day shipment so I don't see how they could get so much worse during delivery...


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Re: Bridgesii psycho0 x pachanoi: thin and damaged [Re: musiclover420]
    #21907083 - 07/06/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Be glad he's alive at least, the wrinkling could just be from a rough journey or something. Same with the damaged tip. Maybe it is getting a bit much sun?

I can't really say what is causing it or what you should do for it :shrug:

I can say however you should email them if you have not already. I am still waiting to hear back myself though,

If I don't hear back in another day or two I will have to just contact ebay as the seedlings I got look almost nothing like the ones in the listings picture.

Health wise at least, and it was like a 3 day shipment so I don't see how they could get so much worse during delivery...



Yeah I emailed them a few days ago, I got an automatic response saying theyll be unavailable til the 6th. If I don't get a response I'll just goto Ebay myself as well. The seedling however receives no sun where he is sitting. I want this little guy to pull through so badly haha


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Re: Bridgesii psycho0 x pachanoi: thin and damaged [Re: grownright]
    #21907157 - 07/06/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah I watched that listing myself and was pretty tempted, I really like the pysch0 hybrids.

If he is getting no direct sunlight then it almost certainly is from delivery I would say.


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Re: Bridgesii psycho0 x pachanoi: thin and damaged [Re: musiclover420]
    #21907222 - 07/06/15 09:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Okay, so just let him rest for while before giving him some light then I take it?


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Re: Bridgesii psycho0 x pachanoi: thin and damaged [Re: grownright]
    #21907266 - 07/06/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Well don't take my word for it, but I would definitely give it a little before adjusting it to full sun.

The wrinkling could also be water related perhaps, I have seen thicker seedlings start to contract and wrinkle as the dry out a bit.

Like I said though I am not really sure that's all just opinion.

Someone else will no doubt give you a more definite answer.


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Re: Bridgesii psycho0 x pachanoi: thin and damaged [Re: musiclover420]
    #21908626 - 07/07/15 08:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

the wrinkling is part of the rooting process for really thin cuttings. It happens because the plant is using its stored reserves to grow the roots, and does not have enough moisture to keep its shape. The wrinkles form because it has nowhere else to collapse in so the skin begins to wrinkle and sag. Give it a trickle of water each day. It will slowly begin uptake to fatten back out. The wrinkles will vanish, but may become light colored lines, not scarred, just lighter colored.

I dealt with this issue on about 20 cuttings that I bought in 2013. Even though the plants are now fully rooted and fatter and healthy, the occasional one will still have its wrinkles. Ill see if I can put up a pic.

Edit: Ive been watering a bit heavier lately due to the heat here, and I couldn't find a good example of the wrinkles. It is only the ones that were super etiolated and in poor form as cuttings though.


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