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PF Tek-Jars not pinning *DELETED*
    #21882758 - 07/01/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: PF Tek-Jars not pinning [Re: mushieman137]
    #21882780 - 07/01/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21882771


Seems like we're in the same situation sort of, how do my jars look compared to yours?


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Re: PF Tek-Jars not pinning [Re: 4chan]
    #21882805 - 07/01/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

How often are you fanning and misting? FAE is pinning trigger.


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Re: PF Tek-Jars not pinning [Re: mushieman137]
    #21883018 - 07/01/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Greetings fellow shroomerite! :grin:

Your right it probably needs more time. I rarely see a pin on my tubs before 3 days after putting in fruiting conditions. Looks like people are saying anywhere from 4 to 7 days


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I see a lot conflicting information on this. If a BRF jar is pinning before full colonization should you.

A. Let it finish colonizing like normal
B. Birth it

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Not conflicting because you can go either way, the important part is full colonization, a cake will consolidate in the fc:cool:




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Re: PF Tek-Jars not pinning [Re: mushieman137]
    #21883027 - 07/01/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Pinning in jar is usually something you would want to avoid. Pinning is caused by a number of factors, but most often discussed are light, decreased CO2, and surface moisture evaporation. In jars this would usually occur if the "pucks" begin to shrink leaving a bit of an air gap that could cause some localized pinning events.

In other words, once your pucks are colonized, give them another few days, maybe a week, then birth as usual. No pins required.


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    #21886767 - 07/02/15 08:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: PF Tek-Jars not pinning [Re: mushieman137]
    #21887055 - 07/02/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

This was my first invitro pin. "First flush" lol. The second flush had several pins.

I let it consolidate for 3 weeks. It's not necessary to wait until you've formed pins inside the jar.
I'd give that cake more time. Just be patient and keep misting and fanning when necessary.


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Re: PF Tek-Jars not pinning [Re: jbaby007]
    #21889123 - 07/02/15 05:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Its been sixteen hours since I birthed and I'm not seeing any pins. Should I be worried?!

But seriously, this thread made me wonder. Suppose you don't get any pins after a week and a half. Suppose you've tried everything and just can't get it done. Can the cakes be crumbled into a casing or outdoor patch. I mean if you aren't getting your conditions right this would be a stop get, but would you be able to do it?


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Re: PF Tek-Jars not pinning [Re: jbaby007]
    #21889128 - 07/02/15 05:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: PF Tek-Jars not pinning [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
    #21889132 - 07/02/15 05:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

16 hours :lol:

Cakes can take a week to pin, even in good conditions.
I wouldn't try to fruit a cake, then give up and try to spawn it to bulk.

I would spawn to bulk from the start...


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Re: PF Tek-Jars not pinning [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
    #21889145 - 07/02/15 05:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Its been sixteen hours since I birthed and I'm not seeing any pins. Should I be worried?!

But seriously, this thread made me wonder. Suppose you don't get any pins after a week and a half. Suppose you've tried everything and just can't get it done. Can the cakes be crumbled into a casing or outdoor patch. I mean if you aren't getting your conditions right this would be a stop get, but would you be able to do it?




16 hours is barely enough time for the fungus to register its even in a new location. Give it 3-5 days before questioning it. A week at least before becoming concerned. Mycology is not a hobby for the impatient, everything takes time, and plenty of it.

And to answer the second question, yes I have seen people who crumble and case PF cakes with great success, though be aware it adds even more time to the equation. Similarly, people bury spent/contaminated/failed material all the time in hopes of seeing a flush down the road, and sometimes they do. That tends to take a great deal of time though, on the order of months.


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Re: PF Tek-Jars not pinning [Re: matsc]
    #21889151 - 07/02/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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That tends to take a great deal of time though, on the order of months.




Nah fuck that, it takes the same amount of time practically, maybe an extra week.

I run cakes through a cheese grater, spawn to coir/verm. Takes a week to colonize, pins in under a week after that.
It tends to yield almost twice as much as fruiting cakes alone. I've had 6 cakes give me 2 zips in a first flush.


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Re: PF Tek-Jars not pinning [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
    #21889168 - 07/02/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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But seriously...





Not big on the context clues today. Was a bad joke


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Re: PF Tek-Jars not pinning [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #21889170 - 07/02/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I meant planting in a garden to see an outdoor flush can take months, not casing cakes.


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Re: PF Tek-Jars not pinning [Re: matsc]
    #21889179 - 07/02/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You know I've been wanting to do an outdoor just for the hell of it. Theres a perfect spot along my fence line where I could dig a tiny patch/trail near a tree and lay all my stuff down. One day...


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Re: PF Tek-Jars not pinning [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
    #21889185 - 07/02/15 05:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I meant planting in a garden to see an outdoor flush can take months, not casing cakes.





Why would outdoor take any longer? Unless conditions suck, it should be about the same.
I'm not talking about spent subs, you already have fruits if you have a spent sub.
Contaminated substrates usually don't have a chance, unless most is colonized by mycelium.

I do put my spent substrates from past grows in a pot and try to fruit them outside, but if they are spent you can't expect much.
I am making a clone from my most recent outdoor fruit. It's a mix of genetics so I'm going to call it my own strain.

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You know I've been wanting to do an outdoor just for the hell of it. Theres a perfect spot along my fence line where I could dig a tiny patch/trail near a tree and lay all my stuff down. One day...




Do it, throw all your spent mycelium in there mixed with some coir and let it colonize the entire space. If it doesn't fruit, oh well, but it is a nice surprise when a 'failed' substrate manages to produce a mushroom.


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Re: PF Tek-Jars not pinning [Re: matsc]
    #21889199 - 07/02/15 05:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Why would outdoor take any longer? Unless conditions suck, it should be about the same.




I admit this is an assumption based on reading reports around the forum, and my own experience with Stropharia rugosoannulata. I assumed the fungus would go about its thing colonizing the soil before switching over to reproductive mode again.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and I will bow to the wisdom of those with experience :grin:


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Re: PF Tek-Jars not pinning [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21890106 - 07/02/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: PF Tek-Jars not pinning [Re: jbaby007]
    #21890301 - 07/02/15 09:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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