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Pins growing in the dry vermiculite layer/ final result
    #21881892 - 07/01/15 07:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hi guys, I need an advice on what to do; my jars started pinning a lot in the dry vermiculite layer, what should I do ? It'd be a shame to destroy them to start real fruiting in a FC... Maybe invitro? thanks for any advice :smile:


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Re: Pins growing in the dry vermiculite layer [Re: misterbo]
    #21881898 - 07/01/15 07:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

How does this happen? This isn't the first I've heard of it, but does this happen when you wait to long to put cakes in FC?


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Re: Pins growing in the dry vermiculite layer [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #21881908 - 07/01/15 07:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Is the cake fully colonized? That would be why it is pinning..
If it is not fully colonized you've got some kind of mold/bacteria/contam in there causing the fruits to pin before their time, kind of like trying to get the fuck outta there before shit goes down.


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Re: Pins growing in the dry vermiculite layer [Re: Yerow]
    #21881940 - 07/01/15 08:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

the cakes are fully colonized and i was waiting for the consolidation week to finish; today is the last day...


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Re: Pins growing in the dry vermiculite layer [Re: misterbo]
    #21881959 - 07/01/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Quick! do a quick surgery.

Clone those pins, drop em in petri dishes.

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Re: Pins growing in the dry vermiculite layer [Re: pablokabute]
    #21881964 - 07/01/15 08:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quick! do a quick surgery.

Clone those pins, drop em in petri dishes.

:getstoned:



why are you suggesting this?


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Re: Pins growing in the dry vermiculite layer [Re: pablokabute]
    #21881972 - 07/01/15 08:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hey OP what strain is that? If you don't mind me asking of course. I'm theorizing that the fast colonizers can't be consolidating for a week and perhaps the week should be cut in half or something.


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Re: Pins growing in the dry vermiculite layer [Re: misterbo]
    #21881981 - 07/01/15 08:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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misterbo said:
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pablokabute said:
Quick! do a quick surgery.

Clone those pins, drop em in petri dishes.

:getstoned:



why are you suggesting this?





Prolific fruiters are great candidates for cloning...For you to keep the 'substrain' and, perhaps, get the substrain going...


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Re: Pins growing in the dry vermiculite layer [Re: pablokabute]
    #21882008 - 07/01/15 08:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Dr.Satan said:
Hey OP what strain is that? If you don't mind me asking of course. I'm theorizing that the fast colonizers can't be consolidating for a week and perhaps the week should be cut in half or something.




Ecuador

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Prolific fruiters are great candidates for cloning...For you to keep the 'substrain' and, perhaps, get the substrain going...




understood; unfortunately it's my first time growing and I don't have petri dishes...


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Re: Pins growing in the dry vermiculite layer [Re: misterbo]
    #21882036 - 07/01/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's glass and light gets through the side causing side pinning where the myc meets the verm. It got light there before the myc has had time to get through the verm. That's what it looks like to me. It gets enough fresh air and light, the 2 pinning triggers. You'll see if you remove the verm, the pins will only be on the side. Next time wrap something around the jars if you want to fruit them that way to block out light


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Re: Pins growing in the dry vermiculite layer [Re: Micofun]
    #21882111 - 07/01/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The dry vermiculite must not be very dry.


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Re: Pins growing in the dry vermiculite layer [Re: Chilldog]
    #21882147 - 07/01/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Anyways, point in case op, FRUIT!!


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Re: Pins growing in the dry vermiculite layer [Re: Yerow]
    #21882181 - 07/01/15 09:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Anyways, point in case op, FRUIT!!



but if I fruit now I'll lose all those pins :frown:


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Re: Pins growing in the dry vermiculite layer [Re: misterbo]
    #21882188 - 07/01/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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misterbo said:
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Yerow said:
Anyways, point in case op, FRUIT!!



but if I fruit now I'll lose all those pins :frown:



So what. It is time to fruit. Dunk and try to leave the pins attached. If they fall off, they weren't meant to be.


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Re: Pins growing in the dry vermiculite layer [Re: Chilldog]
    #21882250 - 07/01/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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misterbo said:
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Yerow said:
Anyways, point in case op, FRUIT!!



but if I fruit now I'll lose all those pins :frown:



So what. It is time to fruit. Dunk and try to leave the pins attached. If they fall off, they weren't meant to be.



the pins are all in the dry vermiculite layer, by removing it I'll surely lose all the pins, but anyway I think it's the only way... IMHO it's better if I wait a couple of days (since pins are growing very fast) before fruiting so that I could pick them and get a decent trip, what do you think?


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Re: Pins growing in the dry vermiculite layer [Re: misterbo]
    #21882365 - 07/01/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I would fruit now. There will be many more pins in the future.


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Re: Pins growing in the dry vermiculite layer [Re: Chilldog]
    #21882420 - 07/01/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hey OP, there is so much bad info on this thread try to ignore it please.  Pinning in-vitro has a couple of causes, one of them being contaminations present.  If the contaminations are present in the jar the mycelium will try and fruit while it can before the contamination kills it.  That's what I think could be happening, but you also could have started the consolidation date late and the mycelium are just really mature.

Light have literally nothing to do with In-vitro pinning, id really like to see some sources where you got that info from. Please stop spreading bad info, especially to new growers, where bad info can be the difference between a failed or successful grow.

--Either way, I would birth them,(rinse them off after birthing them) and start the 24hr dunk, then roll in DRY verm and place in the SGFC.  Just for a hint, I like using jar lids are the base for the mushrooms to sit on in the SGFC, they are easier to handle, and easier to clean.

Another good tip, after the cakes have pinned, a day later, replace the bottoms you use(to separate the cakes and the perlite, foil squares or jar lids or whatever you use) with a small saucer for each cake,  put a small amount of water on the saucers and place the cakes on top back into the chamber.  This will cause the cakes to suck up the water and pump it into the cakes yielding bigger fruits, I can attest this works quite well.  Mist as normal.

also, search the "Misted cake project", and "how it should and shouldn't look" for really good info to have on hand(contaminations, misting info, etc..)

good luck man, if you have any questions please feel free to PM me. :growshrooms:


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Re: Pins growing in the dry vermiculite layer [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21882429 - 07/01/15 11:01 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Just to clarify, since you replied to me, I gave none of the bad info you speak of. If you just quick replied, then I shall shut my mouth.


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Re: Pins growing in the dry vermiculite layer [Re: Chilldog]
    #21882614 - 07/01/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

thanks to everyone for the advices, tonight I'll start the 24hr dunk. I appreciated the idea of the saucer, never heard about it. I'll let you know how it's going in the next days :wink:


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Re: Pins growing in the dry vermiculite layer [Re: Chilldog]
    #21885226 - 07/01/15 09:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

it was a quick reply, just quickly went over the posts and you are the only one who actually gave correct info

anyways, let us know how it goes man!


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Re: Pins growing in the dry vermiculite layer [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21885986 - 07/02/15 01:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ecuador is an awesome strain


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Re: Pins growing in the dry vermiculite layer [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21886035 - 07/02/15 01:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Lol i told him the same as you did in the 2'nd post. :shrug:


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Re: Pins growing in the dry vermiculite layer [Re: Yerow]
    #21908357 - 07/07/15 05:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

after 5 days in FC I can see some random hyphal knotting over the cakes, am I right?


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Re: Pins growing in the dry vermiculite layer [Re: misterbo]
    #21908686 - 07/07/15 08:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

you are about to get pins dude, as soon as you start seeing that, imo, pind are next.  I just got pins on my cakes literally a few hours after I noticed those.  Its coming man, you're almost there!


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Re: Pins growing in the dry vermiculite layer [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21908990 - 07/07/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sick man keep us updated!


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Pins in FC [Re: thedirtybook]
    #21923711 - 07/10/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

mmmm... I guess I'm doing something wrong, isn't it? (these are 2 different cakes, not the same one in different stages :wink: )



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Re: Pins in FC [Re: misterbo]
    #21923861 - 07/10/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Looks good brother, keep going.


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Final result! [Re: MoxyOx]
    #21941740 - 07/14/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hi guys, today I picked for the first time in my life my shrooms :smile: I made some errors (big and small, first above all lack of FAE and small FC) during fructification, but I understood many things. Final result for the first flush and 2 cakes: 67 grams



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Re: Final result! [Re: misterbo]
    #21941784 - 07/14/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Good job! Next time just pick the mature ones and let the pins continue to develop!


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Re: Final result! [Re: natedawgnow]
    #21941817 - 07/14/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Good job! Next time just pick the mature ones and let the pins continue to develop!



Thanks :smile: I just wasn't able to distinguish between pins and aborts although I know it in theory :laugh:


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