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Brewing The Perfect Orally Active DMT.
    #21880819 - 06/30/15 11:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

So my last and only ayahuasca experiance was very mild and slightly stoning but not at all a true ayahuasca experience. I have a good bit of acacia confusa root bark powder left but I have no scale I read that 1.5 tablespoons is a lot and on my last brew I used 2 tablespoons yet it still was more like a level one mushroom trip than anything.

I am going to try my luck again this time using lemon juice concentrate with the water and not being impatient. On my last brew I boiled it with just water, no acid at all, I did it for 30 minutes and did 3 pulls, I used one cup of water for each pull and I boiled it. This time I am going to simmer it for 45 minutes each and not bring it to a full boil (i'm worried I burnt the active chemicals last time). I also ate half a tablespoon of syrian rue 30 minutes prior to drinking the aya I read that was the correct dose this time I will eat a full tablespoon to insure my success. I also used two egg whites last time, this time I will use one i'm not sure if the whites absorbed some of the actives.

Any advice is good advice I just would really like this to work out so if you spotted what I did wrong let me know. Im hoping it was just that I used straight water with no acidic stuff at all I did that because I hate vinegar and drinking it would suck but I read lemon concentrate works fine however I don't know the right amount to add so im just going to add one third of the bottle one for each simmer. Also can I add sugar the tea was not very pleasant and I figure sugar will help.

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Re: Brewing The Perfect Ayahuasca. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21880938 - 06/30/15 11:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I extract to the pure crystals so I can re capsule them in a weighed dose of pharmahuasca. I didn't see you mention anything about MAOI dosage; what are you taking, how much, when?

When I was doing liquid extractions I learned to brew the bark with vinegar three times for at least 2 hours each. I think traditional brews are over even longer periods of time. So maybe try a more thorough brewing + more MAO inhibition?

Not sure about the sugar. I'd make a separate drink, maybe a fruit smoothie to chase the Aya with.


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Re: Brewing The Perfect Ayahuasca. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21880970 - 06/30/15 11:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I didn't see you mention anything about MAOI dosage; what are you taking, how much, when?



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I also ate half a tablespoon of syrian rue 30 minutes prior to drinking the aya I read that was the correct dose this time I will eat a full tablespoon to insure my success.



When you brewed for two hours did it work well? I may give that a try.


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Re: Brewing The Perfect Ayahuasca. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21880989 - 07/01/15 12:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Ohh I see. How much is a half tablespoon of rue in grams? I've only measured it by weight, I hear 3g rue is a good starting point.

I've always had trouble getting brewed Ayahausca to work successfully. The 3 x 2 hour boils worked well for an A/B extraction of the crystals, but I couldn't get it to work when drunk. I can't remember now whether I vomited too early or I just didn't feel effects. But I quickly changed to purified extracts weighed out in capsules and haven't had a misfire since. I take 200mg harmaline hcl with 160mg dmt fumarate. No idea what that translates to in ACRB tablespoons though.


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Re: Brewing The Perfect Ayahuasca. [Re: Icon]
    #21881022 - 07/01/15 12:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Idk either but I read online that its the right dose I don't have a scale and ive been thinking about that fumarate stuff for a while but im to lazy to order the fumaric acid. Do you find it to be like a full on DMT trip that last 6 hours because that would be too much im hoping its like a low DMT trip not a full on breakthrough. 6 hours of that would leave me  :crazy3:


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Re: Brewing The Perfect Ayahuasca. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21881313 - 07/01/15 01:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's pretty close to a shroom trip in duration and intensity. Takes about 45 minutes to kick in, main effects last about 4 hours, but 6 if you count the hour come up & down. Fumaric acid is cheap and converting the freebase is really easy. Makes beautiful crystals, too.



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Re: Brewing The Perfect Ayahuasca. [Re: Icon]
    #21882830 - 07/01/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It should be emphasized that converting freebase DMT to a salt is as easy as placing the DMT in water and putting a few drops of vinegar in. The only thing is that many DMT salts cannot be dehydrated because:

It it is too hydroscopic. I precipitated DMT HCl in acetone and cyclohexane and as soon the crystals were dried of the solvents, they turned to puddles in about a minute,

koods - http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20921931#20921931


Fumarate, which is made using the fumaric acid Icon mentioned is one exception.


And the reason Icon even broughtp up the topic of converting DMT freebase to a salt is because he believes that it's better to swallow DMT in salt form as opposed to freebase form...


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Re: Brewing The Perfect Ayahuasca. [Re: s240779]
    #21882855 - 07/01/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Word. For dry weighing and encapsuling, fumarate is the only route. But sure there's plenty of reports of people throwing freebase in a glass of acidic juice and drinking that to moderate effect.


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    #21883021 - 07/01/15 02:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry, total pet peeve but you can't brew Ayahuasca at all without Ayahuasca.  Yes Rue will make ACRB orally active.  Ayahuasca refers to the 'vine of the dead' or 'vine of the soul' and refers specifically to B. Caapi, which is often, but not always, mixed with other plants.

Anyway I know it's nit picky but there is a very real distinction between the two pharmacologically.  It's kinda like calling Methylone MDMA.  They may be similar but they're certainly not the same.


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Re: Brewing The Perfect Ayahuasca. [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21883033 - 07/01/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Your right I canged the name to brewing The Perfect Orally Active DMT. That name doesn't sound right but its all good.


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Re: Brewing The Perfect Ayahuasca. [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21888691 - 07/02/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Sorry, total pet peeve but you can't brew Ayahuasca at all without Ayahuasca.  Yes Rue will make ACRB orally active.  Ayahuasca refers to the 'vine of the dead' or 'vine of the soul' and refers specifically to B. Caapi, which is often, but not always, mixed with other plants.

Anyway I know it's nit picky but there is a very real distinction between the two pharmacologically.  It's kinda like calling Methylone MDMA.  They may be similar but they're certainly not the same.




I understand that Ayahuasca refers to B. Caapi, but i view Ayahuasca as the Harmalas within B. Caapi and Syrian Rue, even Syrian Rue can be used on it's own for healing, teaching and spiritual purposes. I just call it all Ayahuasca because that's where all the info is at regarding this kinda stuff.


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Re: Brewing The Perfect Ayahuasca. [Re: Sabnock]
    #21888761 - 07/02/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Just call it beta-carbolines & DMT to end all this confusion!

Beta-carbolines encompasses harmine, harmaline, and tetrahydroharmine, the three prominent beta-carbolines used in various oral DMT recipes.


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