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dacoolMist
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Automation: How much coolmist/FAE and how many holes?
#21880690 - 06/30/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey guys, this is my second go round!
I have to say, the first time I did this was pretty text book and worked out alright.
This time around I decided to go for automation and invested in a cool mist! (ultrasonic with a blower motor)
My incubation went perfectly, better than the first time! I birthed these babies about 7 days ago Then I dunked for 24 Rolled in verm and put them in my fruiting chamber.
Let's talk about my fruiting chamber.
So I got a little experimental this time, here's what I came up with:






The last picture is a good representation of what it normally looks like. The first pic was right afterI built it and condensation hadn't built up yet. The pictures with the walls mostly clear were just taken, I had the lid off for a bit so it dried out.
I'm using a 31qt | 29.3L 41.3cm x 33cm x 30.8 clear plastic bin with 10 holes drilled, 5 on each of the long sides. Per side, 3 holes are in line with the edge of the rack and two holes are located about an inch lower, offset from the 3 above. the holes are 1/4in.
average temperature: 24-25c, 77-80F
I am using a 16 LED panel on a 12/12 schedule covered by a diffused plastic dome. The LEDs peak at 481nm, just 1nm off 
My theory behind the rack: I've drilled the upper row of holes in the chamber so that they are just below the bottom of the cakes. My thought is that heavier co2 will reside in the space below the cakes, escaping through the holes on it's own or when the humidifier kicks on. The cakes, being above the level of the holes, get all the humidity they could want and should not be bothered by the co2 below.
I wrote a little program to to control the lights and the humidifier automatically via microcontroller and that is working well but here are my concerns.
-How often should I be running the humidifier and at what intensity level? I know some people run them 24/7 but I think that might be overkill for this little tank. I've been running it 10 on/20 off (min) -How many/how big should my holes be since I'm using a humidifier to force FAE?
In the past 6 days the mycelium have partially colonized the verm and there a little fuzzies here and there but I have yet to see the slightest hint of a pin :/
The first time around it took 8 days to see pins, so I'm not that worried. I just want to make sure I get this chamber dialed in!
I am open to constructive critique on the fruiting chamber!
Edited by dacoolMist (06/30/15 10:54 PM)
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Re: Automation: How much coolmist/FAE and how many holes? [Re: dacoolMist]
#21880881 - 06/30/15 11:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Id give it more fae IMO. Add more holes or atleast fan more if you're not already doing so.
also make sure the cakes are glossy looking so you have a good amount of moisture in there.
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Edited by Charleskun (06/30/15 11:32 PM)
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Re: Automation: How much coolmist/FAE and how many holes? [Re: Charleskun]
#21881033 - 07/01/15 12:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Your rig setup is sweet.. but i think its more meant for a larger tub 180qt+ and or greenhouse. With the tub you have a SGFC is best. and im sure you can mist them three times in a day.
Curious, what type of microcontroller are you using? program language?
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Re: Automation: How much coolmist/FAE and how many holes? [Re: PhosCap]
#21881040 - 07/01/15 12:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you really want to dial in the humidity with that you'll have to dial that in yourself. Make it On Perhaps 50% of the time. You may have an issue with FAE with your setup.
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Re: Automation: How much coolmist/FAE and how many holes? [Re: PhosCap]
#21882130 - 07/01/15 09:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks for the input guys. I've bumped it to a 15 on/15 off schedule (50%)
I am using an Arduino Uno R3 programmed in C. A dual relay module for controlling power to the light and humidifier. An RTC module for keeping time. And a Humidity/temp sensor just for my info, not system feedback. Here's my program for anyone interested. It is lacking some features still.
Code:
#include <Wire.h> #include "RTClib.h" #include <Time.h> #include <TimeAlarms.h> #include "DHT.h" #define DHTTYPE DHT11 // Define the DHT 11 Humidity Sensor
//OUTPUTS //RELAYS const int humidRelay = 3; //What pin is the humidifier relay connected to? const int lightRelay = 4; //What pin is the Light relay connected to?
//INPUTS const int DHTPIN = 5; //What pin is the Humidity/temp sensor connected to?
//VARIABLES: bool lights; //variable to hold the status of the lights
//VARIABLES - User adjustable: const int humidActTime = 900; //How long will the Humidifier run before it shuts off (in seconds) const int humidPeriod = 1800; //How often to run the humidifier (in seconds)
//INITIALIZATION: DHT dht(DHTPIN, DHTTYPE); //Initilize the DHT11 RTC_DS1307 RTC; //Initilize the RTC
//Setup Function void setup() { // Initialize the digital pins. pinMode(lightRelay, OUTPUT); pinMode(humidRelay, OUTPUT);
Serial.begin(9600); Wire.begin(); RTC.begin(); dht.begin();
if (! RTC.isrunning()) { Serial.println(F("RTC is NOT running!")); } else { Serial.println(F("RTC is running!")); } //Set the RTC time to the date & time this sketch was compiled RTC.adjust(DateTime(__DATE__, __TIME__)); setSyncProvider( syncProvider ); //and sync the arduino clock with the RTC
//SET ALARMS: Alarm.alarmRepeat(20, 11, 11, LightsOff); // 8:00pm every day Alarm.alarmRepeat(8, 11, 11, LightsOn); // 8:00pm every day Alarm.timerRepeat(humidPeriod, HumidifierON); // How long will the humidifier stay on for?
Serial.println(F("Startup Completed")); LightsOn(); //HumidifierON(); } //DAS LOOP! void loop() { Serial.print(F("Time: ")); printCurrentTime(); Serial.print(F("Temperature C: ")); Serial.println(getTempC()); Serial.print(F("Humidity: ")); Serial.println(getHumidity()); Serial.println(); Alarm.delay(1000); // wait one second between clock display }
//FUNCTIONS
//Function to sync the arduino clock with the RTC time_t syncProvider() { return RTC.now().unixtime(); }
//Function to begin the humidifier sequence void HumidifierON() { digitalWrite(humidRelay, HIGH); // Activate the humidifier relay Serial.println(F(" - Humidifier Activated"));
Alarm.timerOnce(humidActTime, HumidifierOFF); Alarm.delay(1000); }
//Function to end the humidifier sequence void HumidifierOFF() { digitalWrite(humidRelay, LOW); //Turn Humidifier Off Serial.println(F(" - Humidifier Deactivated")); }
//Function to run all night transition events void Night () { LightsOff(); }
//Function to run all day transition events void Day () { LightsOn(); }
//Function to turn the lights on void LightsOn() { digitalWrite(lightRelay, HIGH); //Turn Lights On Serial.println(F(" - Lights On")); lights = true; }
//Function to turn the lights off void LightsOff() { digitalWrite(lightRelay, LOW); //Turn Lights Off Serial.println(F(" - Lights Off")); lights = false; }
//Function to print the current time void printCurrentTime() { DateTime now = RTC.now(); if ((now.hour()) < 10) Serial.print('0'); Serial.print(now.hour(), DEC); Serial.print(':'); if ((now.minute()) < 10) Serial.print('0'); Serial.print(now.minute(), DEC); Serial.print(':'); if ((now.second()) < 10) Serial.print('0'); Serial.print(now.second(), DEC); Serial.println(); }
//Function to get the Temp Celcius reading from the DHT11 unsigned int getTempC() { return dht.readTemperature(); }
//Function to get the humidity reading from the DHT11 unsigned int getHumidity() { return dht.readHumidity(); }
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PhosCap
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Re: Automation: How much coolmist/FAE and how many holes? [Re: dacoolMist]
#21882173 - 07/01/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I discovered Arduino a few months back. My only problem is coding, But there is lots of info and libraries on the arduino site. Very cool that you did this. I think you can also setup a web interface to see your sensors in realtime .
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Re: Automation: How much coolmist/FAE and how many holes? [Re: PhosCap]
#21882221 - 07/01/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Many people have tried automated tubs. They don't work well. A tub with some damn holes in it is best.
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Re: Automation: How much coolmist/FAE and how many holes? [Re: 36fuckin5]
#21882275 - 07/01/15 10:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I find the topic of FAE to be really interesting. I've had invitro grows in bags from start to finish where the bags were never opened (no misting, fanning, etc.) and all FAE came through a small filter patch and had mushies literally exploding out of the bags in what seems to me to be a minimal FAE situation. I've had very small yields in fruiting chambers that get a lot of FAE. IMHO, it has a lot to do with the strain/isolate in terms of how much humidity and FAE is required to get them to really go off. One thing for sure, though, if the environment is dry or too wet, there will be significantly reduced results. The set and forget mono tubs cannot possibly have as much FAE as a SGFC with all those holes in it as the mono tub, seems to me, is like a big invitro bag that limits humidity escape and, as such, limits FAE too.
Some strains/isolates respond to minimal FAE, others don't.
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Re: Automation: How much coolmist/FAE and how many holes? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21882356 - 07/01/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I had a similar experience with bags and thought "hey, if it ain't broke, don't fix it"--- I thought that up until I did fix it. BIG difference. Stems were solid and dense, pinning was more prolific--- trust these guys^^^ they know what's up.
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Re: Automation: How much coolmist/FAE and how many holes? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21882411 - 07/01/15 10:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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KauaiOrca said: I find the topic of FAE to be really interesting. I've had invitro grows in bags from start to finish where the bags were never opened (no misting, fanning, etc.) and all FAE came through a small filter patch and had mushies literally exploding out of the bags in what seems to me to be a minimal FAE situation. I've had very small yields in fruiting chambers that get a lot of FAE. IMHO, it has a lot to do with the strain/isolate in terms of how much humidity and FAE is required to get them to really go off. One thing for sure, though, if the environment is dry or too wet, there will be significantly reduced results. The set and forget mono tubs cannot possibly have as much FAE as a SGFC with all those holes in it as the mono tub, seems to me, is like a big invitro bag that limits humidity escape and, as such, limits FAE too.
Some strains/isolates respond to minimal FAE, others don't.
I bet the boomers from those invitro bags were super stretched out and lanky with small caps compared to their length.
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Re: Automation: How much coolmist/FAE and how many holes? [Re: Chilldog]
#21882576 - 07/01/15 11:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The filter patch is for Gas exchange not FAE. Its only used for colonizing not fruiting.
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Re: Automation: How much coolmist/FAE and how many holes? [Re: Chilldog]
#21890564 - 07/02/15 10:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Chilldog said:
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KauaiOrca said: I find the topic of FAE to be really interesting. I've had invitro grows in bags from start to finish where the bags were never opened (no misting, fanning, etc.) and all FAE came through a small filter patch and had mushies literally exploding out of the bags in what seems to me to be a minimal FAE situation. I've had very small yields in fruiting chambers that get a lot of FAE. IMHO, it has a lot to do with the strain/isolate in terms of how much humidity and FAE is required to get them to really go off. One thing for sure, though, if the environment is dry or too wet, there will be significantly reduced results. The set and forget mono tubs cannot possibly have as much FAE as a SGFC with all those holes in it as the mono tub, seems to me, is like a big invitro bag that limits humidity escape and, as such, limits FAE too.
Some strains/isolates respond to minimal FAE, others don't.
I bet the boomers from those invitro bags were super stretched out and lanky with small caps compared to their length.
I had one strain that was unbelievable in the bags. Most of them grew right to the top of the bag. Three big flushes. No effort at all. Kept the bags sealed the entire time, no misting, no fanning … just opened them, picked big mushrooms that seemed to grow super fast … I don't know if they would have been better with more FAE, maybe they would, but I've had grows with lots of FAE and misting, fanning and all kinds of attention that didn't produce mushrooms like that. I'm sure most of you guys know a lot more than I do, but I think the FAE requirements vary a LOT depending on the strain.
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Re: Automation: How much coolmist/FAE and how many holes? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21890752 - 07/02/15 11:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not really. There's a fine line between too much misting and not enough. It really takes an art. Too much or not enough really ruins pinsets. However fae will always be a major important thing. I leave my top holes empty and bottom holes kinda loose on tubs and I live in 1-10% rh. Imo the most important thing is proper hydration through misting. That means neither over misting nor under misting. I switched to casings because they're way more lenient with misting.
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Re: Automation: How much coolmist/FAE and how many holes? [Re: Mad Season]
#21890855 - 07/03/15 12:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Need to put holes on bottom to drain off excess water, pooling water will cause contams.. i would put 3 inches of perlightin bottom to soak up excess water.. imo
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Re: Automation: How much coolmist/FAE and how many holes? [Re: jwalt420]
#21900568 - 07/05/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was reading violet's bottle tek where essentially the entire growing cycle happens in a zip lock quart twist n loc quarter plastic jar and the lid of the jar just gets loosened a bit for fruiting but never even removed … there's no filter patch or holes with micro pore tape no fanning or misting, and it's hard to believe there's much FAE going on at all, but she and others using that tek get good results. Can you get better results with other FAE methods? Probably but I'm just saying that the FAE needs in some teak's are really minimal compared to the SGFC, fanning and misting 3-5 times a day.
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Re: Automation: How much coolmist/FAE and how many holes? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21900595 - 07/05/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It is best if co2 is under 1000 ppm. In an invitro jar there's way less air to move inside. Humid air rises too so if you leave the lid loose, it'll just constantly exchange with the outside dry air. Comparing a small container to a massive one isn't really accurate. Leaving the lid loose on a monotub would be vastly different. You honestly don't even need to leave the lid on if you can mist properly. It could grow in open air too. These things are so easy to grow, you don't need fae to get fruits. It just makes sense to work on growing them right with nice happy looking fruits. I think a truly good grower would dial in their chamber to make the best mushrooms they could.
Edited by Mad Season (07/05/15 11:34 AM)
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Re: Automation: How much coolmist/FAE and how many holes? [Re: Mad Season]
#21900678 - 07/05/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: It is best if co2 is under 1000 ppm. In an invitro jar there's way less air to move inside. Humid air rises too so if you leave the lid loose, it'll just constantly exchange with the outside dry air. Comparing a small container to a massive one isn't really accurate. Leaving the lid loose on a monotub would be vastly different. You honestly don't even need to leave the lid on if you can mist properly. It could grow in open air too. These things are so easy to grow, you don't need fae to get fruits. It just makes sense to work on growing them right with nice happy looking fruits. I think a truly good grower would dial in their chamber to make the best mushrooms they could.
I've had such varying results that at times I think growing them is the easiest thing in the world and at other times it's maddeningly difficult. I just tried a grow with multi spore that I have never put so much effort into and got dismal results … lol … A lot of you guys are much more sophisticated with agar and cloning and isolates and monotubs so your knowledge is way superior to mine. I'm still astonished how easy it was to just inject a bag with LC, and set it aside until a ton of mushrooms came up, open it up and pick em, compared to grains, transfer, tub, dialing it in, etc.
But, that is part of the fun and art of it all and the pictures I see are phenomenal of the results some people get.
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Re: Automation: How much coolmist/FAE and how many holes? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21900697 - 07/05/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The more you work on it man the better you'll get. Start to see trends too. sometimes trying new things like agar and stuff seems scary at first. Just like how when you decided you wanted to grow, you got overwhelmed with so much information. I know I did. I've had invitro and high humidity too. I worked on making it more humid and thought that was the key. Until I tried open air. Then I realized just how important fae with misting is. If you look at my posts in 2013, I thought the exact opposite of what I say today.
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Re: Automation: How much coolmist/FAE and how many holes? [Re: Mad Season]
#21901903 - 07/05/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: The more you work on it man the better you'll get. Start to see trends too. sometimes trying new things like agar and stuff seems scary at first. Just like how when you decided you wanted to grow, you got overwhelmed with so much information. I know I did. I've had invitro and high humidity too. I worked on making it more humid and thought that was the key. Until I tried open air. Then I realized just how important fae with misting is. If you look at my posts in 2013, I thought the exact opposite of what I say today.
Thanks! I got my first agar dishes going this month, just started with drops of spore solution, but now have 5 strains cleaned and growing in bags and going to try cloning for the first time. I've been using my own technique of just sticking a syringe through the injection port of the agar dish and then into the next dish and all of them are clean. Going to try the same thing with my first really good fast growing multiple pin clusters when they show up. Got PE, Amazon, South America, Galindoi and PE6 working … must have gotten a really dirty syringe of Texas because no matter what I do, every transfer shows this red bacteria. May have to start over with new spores. Going to do it all into the mudafuka bottle tek as that sees an easy way to work with a lot of strains and clones in a small space.
Is there a good tek for the open air method you mention? That's intriguing. I live in a very dry, desert like climate so I wonder if it would work for me? I'm looking for a bullet proof method to find a really good strain to grow in the muda fuka zip loc bottles … I'm hoping I can get the PE to grow like the pics I see here. I'd like to look into open air.
Edited by KauaiOrca (07/05/15 05:16 PM)
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